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[Dresden]

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Dan Weiderer annoys me, and not just because this is bad news, the kind we dread the most. This information is not specific enough. Were there problems with the OL? Did Caleb hold the ball again? Or was it a problem with his accuracy or range or processing? This is like hearing that the team lost, period. And? How did it all unfold?

Sometimes when you're learning something new, it's two steps forwards, one step backwards. The offense is likely going to be a a work in progress for a good part of the season.

[Jimako10]

Might be a good thing that the bye week is early this season. Let's just hope they can squeak out 2 wins before it, otherwise it's pretty much over and can chalk this year up as a developmental year...or tank for Archie year (if Caleb falls completely flat on his face and shows no improvement).

[Susan]

Might be a good thing that the bye week is early this season. Let's just hope they can squeak out 2 wins before it, otherwise it's pretty much over and can chalk this year up as a developmental year...or tank for Archie year (if Caleb falls completely flat on his face and shows no improvement).

Arch is staying till his senior year.

Eli did it, Peyton did it - the family has more money than it needs at this point so no need to come out early especially when it's been pretty clear that extra time in college has been beneficial to recent rookie superstar QBs (Nix, Daniels, Purdy, Bagent).

[sco]

Might be a good thing that the bye week is early this season. Let's just hope they can squeak out 2 wins before it, otherwise it's pretty much over and can chalk this year up as a developmental year...or tank for Archie year (if Caleb falls completely flat on his face and shows no improvement).

Arch is staying till his senior year.

Eli did it, Peyton did it - the family has more money than it needs at this point so no need to come out early especially when it's been pretty clear that extra time in college has been beneficial to recent rookie superstar QBs (Nix, Daniels, Purdy, Bagent).

That lines up better with our Caleb timeline anyway. I can't imagine they'd walk away from him after this season. He'll get next season too.

[biggestbullsfan]

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That last game did a number on our secondary. At least most of them weren’t expected depth pieces.

[Jimako10]

Might be a good thing that the bye week is early this season. Let's just hope they can squeak out 2 wins before it, otherwise it's pretty much over and can chalk this year up as a developmental year...or tank for Archie year (if Caleb falls completely flat on his face and shows no improvement).

Arch is staying till his senior year.

Eli did it, Peyton did it - the family has more money than it needs at this point so no need to come out early especially when it's been pretty clear that extra time in college has been beneficial to recent rookie superstar QBs (Nix, Daniels, Purdy, Bagent).

Probably, but you never know. The Mannings may look to see who's got the #1 pick before deciding. If by some miracle things go completely sideways this year and the bears do have the #1...I think it will be hard for them to pass up an already loaded offensive roster with a solid coach, in a city where he'd be a god. Definitely way better than cleveland or new orleans.

[biggestbullsfan]

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We waived Caleb’s best friend. This will either be the end of the season or Caleb finally gets going lol

[TheJordanRule]

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Dan Weiderer annoys me, and not just because this is bad news, the kind we dread the most. This information is not specific enough. Were there problems with the OL? Did Caleb hold the ball again? Or was it a problem with his accuracy or range or processing? This is like hearing that the team lost, period. And? How did it all unfold?

Sometimes when you're learning something new, it's two steps forwards, one step backwards. The offense is likely going to be a a work in progress for a good part of the season.

That scares me, brother. Why is the OL still so mid after four new high quality additions? Caleb has had plenty of time to get his game together. I buy Fleet’s premise: either the kid can throw at this level quickly or he can’t. That rookie QB contract will be completely wasted if he’s just going to be a stuffed shirt for another 5+ years.

[Dresden]

Dan Weiderer annoys me, and not just because this is bad news, the kind we dread the most. This information is not specific enough. Were there problems with the OL? Did Caleb hold the ball again? Or was it a problem with his accuracy or range or processing? This is like hearing that the team lost, period. And? How did it all unfold?

Sometimes when you're learning something new, it's two steps forwards, one step backwards. The offense is likely going to be a a work in progress for a good part of the season.

That scares me, brother. Why is the OL still so mid after four new high quality additions? Caleb has had plenty of time to get his game together. I buy Fleet’s premise: either the kid can throw at this level quickly or he can’t. That rookie QB contract will be completely wasted if he’s just going to be a stuffed shirt for another 5+ years.

I look at it like this- if you are a golfer, and you're used to swinging a certain way, and you get a new coach and he wants you change a bunch of things about your swing, it's not going to happen overnight, no matter how good you are. So it could be like that with Caleb. I think it's foolish to say it's black and white- either he can or he can't. Players learn and get better at things all the time, even at this level.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Dan Weiderer annoys me, and not just because this is bad news, the kind we dread the most. This information is not specific enough. Were there problems with the OL? Did Caleb hold the ball again? Or was it a problem with his accuracy or range or processing? This is like hearing that the team lost, period. And? How did it all unfold?

Sometimes when you're learning something new, it's two steps forwards, one step backwards. The offense is likely going to be a a work in progress for a good part of the season.

That scares me, brother. Why is the OL still so mid after four new high quality additions? Caleb has had plenty of time to get his game together. I buy Fleet’s premise: either the kid can throw at this level quickly or he can’t. That rookie QB contract will be completely wasted if he’s just going to be a stuffed shirt for another 5+ years.

I learned long ago never to get too high on the highs or too low on the lows when it comes to training camp. I understand that it’s a lot easier said than done. But we live in a world filled with extreme reactions to things and I’ve found it best to just stay centered. That’s where the real evaluation happens.

Half of the people checking out on Williams were thinking about doing that when they were hyping him as a generational talent 2 years ago.

[fleet]

Certain things like getting sacked a lot, pre snap reads and post snap processing time, those tend to be features difficult to discard. Ben will need to coach around. Give Caleb less decisions to make on his drops than he had last season. Less field to scan, because he’s going to get frozen. My prediction months ago was that by and large Caleb would be pretty similar this year to what we have seen from him to this point. That was before Ben Johnson was hired though. See what he can do. Things like deep ball accuracy should be easier to work on. In between broken plays, a strong play action/run game, getting Caleb to take check downs and to be more accurate on deep balls will help a lot. I can’t believe we are having this stuff on our menu again.

[molepharmer]

via Ben J
Kyler Gordon is week to week, hoping to get him back by end of camp
Jaylon J is right on track to where he needs to be
The starters will play Sunday night against Buffalo

[dougthonus]

Certain things like getting sacked a lot, pre snap reads and post snap processing time, those tend to be features difficult to discard. Ben will need to coach around. Give Caleb less decisions to make on his drops than he had last season. Less field to scan, because he’s going to get frozen. My prediction months ago was that by and large Caleb would be pretty similar this year to what we have seen from him to this point. That was before Ben Johnson was hired though. See what he can do. Things like deep ball accuracy should be easier to work on. In between broken plays, a strong play action/run game, getting Caleb to take check downs and to be more accurate on deep balls will help a lot. I can’t believe we are having this stuff on our menu again.

FWIW, these are the same types of things Bears fans have lambasted past coaching staffs for doing for both Caleb and Fields in the past. I don't know what the right answer is to these things, but Bears fans have historically always been upset by not giving the QB a chance when you try to simplify things for them. Not that we should care what Bears fans think vs what generate the best results. Fans are rarely in position to fully understand what that is (I'm sure not anyway).

[TheJordanRule]

Certain things like getting sacked a lot, pre snap reads and post snap processing time, those tend to be features difficult to discard. Ben will need to coach around. Give Caleb less decisions to make on his drops than he had last season. Less field to scan, because he’s going to get frozen. My prediction months ago was that by and large Caleb would be pretty similar this year to what we have seen from him to this point. That was before Ben Johnson was hired though. See what he can do. Things like deep ball accuracy should be easier to work on. In between broken plays, a strong play action/run game, getting Caleb to take check downs and to be more accurate on deep balls will help a lot. I can’t believe we are having this stuff on our menu again.

FWIW, these are the same types of things Bears fans have lambasted past coaching staffs for doing for both Caleb and Fields in the past. I don't know what the right answer is to these things, but Bears fans have historically always been upset by not giving the QB a chance when you try to simplify things for them. Not that we should care what Bears fans think vs what generate the best results. Fans are rarely in position to fully understand what that is (I'm sure not anyway).

I was one of the idiots who was blasting the coaching staff for "limiting" Justin in that way, and I sorely regret it. Justin was just too green and did not have the processing ability for a fully opened up playbook. I still think Justin could be a good option for a run focused ballclub that makes the offense all about him, tailoring it to his obvious rushing strengths FWIW but I'm glad we don't have to do that. Even within that style of offense Justin would probably not be a multiplier. Caleb might be. At the risk of stating the obvious, the coaching staff understands the current level of functioning of the players, and whether they can handle it a fully opened up playbook or not, way more than any of us do. If they have to simplify stuff for Caleb right now, let's embrace that.

[jnrjr79]

Certain things like getting sacked a lot, pre snap reads and post snap processing time, those tend to be features difficult to discard. Ben will need to coach around. Give Caleb less decisions to make on his drops than he had last season. Less field to scan, because he’s going to get frozen. My prediction months ago was that by and large Caleb would be pretty similar this year to what we have seen from him to this point. That was before Ben Johnson was hired though. See what he can do. Things like deep ball accuracy should be easier to work on. In between broken plays, a strong play action/run game, getting Caleb to take check downs and to be more accurate on deep balls will help a lot. I can’t believe we are having this stuff on our menu again.

FWIW, these are the same types of things Bears fans have lambasted past coaching staffs for doing for both Caleb and Fields in the past. I don't know what the right answer is to these things, but Bears fans have historically always been upset by not giving the QB a chance when you try to simplify things for them. Not that we should care what Bears fans think vs what generate the best results. Fans are rarely in position to fully understand what that is (I'm sure not anyway).

I was one of the idiots who was blasting the coaching staff for "limiting" Justin in that way, and I sorely regret it. Justin was just too green and did not have the processing ability for a fully opened up playbook. I still think Justin could be a good option for a run focused ballclub that makes the offense all about him, tailoring it to his obvious rushing strengths FWIW but I'm glad we don't have to do that. Even within that style of offense Justin would probably not be a multiplier. Caleb might be. At the risk of stating the obvious, the coaching staff understands the current level of functioning of the players, and whether they can handle it a fully opened up playbook or not, way more than any of us do. If they have to simplify stuff for Caleb right now, let's embrace that.

I think part of it, too, is that when they do these offensive installs in camp, it's done with the understanding that not everything is going to work. They're trying to figure out what the offensive players, most importantly Caleb, can do well and what they can't. They will presumably keep the stuff that works and chuck the stuff that doesn't. More stuff may get added down the line after Caleb masters his initial stuff, but it can be a multi-year process for a quarter back to get fully immersed in an offensive system.

[Dresden]

Apparently Caleb and the starters will play this Sunday v. the Bills, so we'll get to see them in action.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Might be a good thing that the bye week is early this season. Let's just hope they can squeak out 2 wins before it, otherwise it's pretty much over and can chalk this year up as a developmental year...or tank for Archie year (if Caleb falls completely flat on his face and shows no improvement).

Arch is staying till his senior year.

Eli did it, Peyton did it - the family has more money than it needs at this point so no need to come out early especially when it's been pretty clear that extra time in college has been beneficial to recent rookie superstar QBs (Nix, Daniels, Purdy, Bagent).

I see what you did there by adding Bagent to the rookie superstar QB list.

[fleet]

The Bears offensive tackle situation just became outwardly more confusing, concerning. If you have 4 left tackles, you probably don’t have 1. Tea leaf reading, if Ozzy is getting reps at RT, he might be your swing tackle. Jones may have the inside rail, with Theo Benedet charging late on the outside. Today.

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[Dresden]

Chris Simms on Bears fans freaking out about Caleb and the offense:

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[fleet]

Caleb rebounded today, probably with more of a pared down game week offense. Although it would be surprising if there was a Bills specific plan. At this point it will surprise me if Zaccheus is not starting opening day over Burden. Also, glad that Ben has decided that it’s time to take off the bubble wrap from the starters as they all will play on Sunday. Monday probably helped that decision.

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