Coby's Next Contract

[drosestruts]

It has more to do with jacking 3's and the continued deterioration of defensive basketball in the NBA than it does Coby being in the same league as those guys. Basically, that stat don't mean what it used to.

I for one would not credit Coby's increase in effeciency solely due to hitting 7 more 3's this year than last year.

In fact, I'd put more emphasis on his increased 2P% (50.8 -> 54.4) and his increased FT% (83.8 -> 90.2)

The really funny thing about Coby White is that he scored the exact same amount of points in 2024-25 as he did in 2023-24, while shooting relativley the same % for 3.

I find your post very "old man yells at cloud" and not supported at all by Coby's play this season or his stats.

Call it what you want but the fact is offensive efficiency has been increasing year over year for a while now. Just seems like an arbitrary measuring stick designed to make Coby look good. Bear in mind I like Coby, I just don't think he belongs in the same sentence as Lillard or Harden.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to change my Depends and take a nap.

Event amongst guards this year players with 20 ppg and a 60% TS% we have:

Zach LaVine
SGA
Lillard
Curry
Haliburton
Reaves
Norman Powell
Jalen Brunson
Tyler Herro
Coby White
Desmond Bane
Darius Garland

just below qualifying we have

Bradley Beal
Anthony Edwards
Kyrie Irving

So it's gone from 3 guards did this to 12 in just 5 years. Which to my original post, I think, shows how the league's gotten better. I get you think it's launching more 3's and bad defense. I still think it's pretty high-level to hit these marks.

But Coby, along with Herro, present interesting outliers. Guys on teams to hit this without being playoff teams.

[meekrab]

Coby is a pretty good indicator of the increased talent and parity in the NBA.

He just came off a season scoring 20 points per game on 60% TS% with only 33% of his 2PFG and 75% of his 3PFG being assisted.

You go back five years to the 2019-20 season, there's 3 guards scoring 20+ on 60+ TS% and they were Lillard, Harden, and Devin Booker

With Norm Powell and CP3 close but scoring a few points under 20

20 ppg even kind of undersells how skilled Coby actually is, he scored 24.5 per game on higher efficiency after we jettisoned the disgruntled guy starting in Coby's natural position.

[Dez]

Coby is a pretty good indicator of the increased talent and parity in the NBA.

He just came off a season scoring 20 points per game on 60% TS% with only 33% of his 2PFG and 75% of his 3PFG being assisted.

You go back five years to the 2019-20 season, there's 3 guards scoring 20+ on 60+ TS% and they were Lillard, Harden, and Devin Booker

With Norm Powell and CP3 close but scoring a few points under 20

20 ppg even kind of undersells how skilled Coby actually is, he scored 24.5 per game on higher efficiency after we jettisoned the disgruntled guy starting in Coby's natural position.

24 points a game doesn't as mean as much as it use to in this shot jacking, no defense playing era.

[_txchilibowl_]

Coby is a pretty good indicator of the increased talent and parity in the NBA.

He just came off a season scoring 20 points per game on 60% TS% with only 33% of his 2PFG and 75% of his 3PFG being assisted.

You go back five years to the 2019-20 season, there's 3 guards scoring 20+ on 60+ TS% and they were Lillard, Harden, and Devin Booker

With Norm Powell and CP3 close but scoring a few points under 20

20 ppg even kind of undersells how skilled Coby actually is, he scored 24.5 per game on higher efficiency after we jettisoned the disgruntled guy starting in Coby's natural position.

24 points a game doesn't as mean as much as it use to in this shot jacking, no defense playing era.

In the 2012/2013 season 11 players averaged 20+ PPG.

Last season.... 43.

So yeah....

[DuckIII]

Every time I come in here to discuss this, I read the posts, and I leave with the same thought: it’s really, really complicated.

I go back and forth being swayed by so many logical arguments in this one. Reasonable minds can and do differ here.

Bottom line: Someone offer us a deal that makes really good sense so we can punt on all this in asset value while we see a little bit more from Giddey, Matas and Noa.

I’m just not super comfortable with any other options.

[Dan Z]

Every time I come in here to discuss this, I read the posts, and I leave with the same thought: it’s really, really complicated.

I go back and forth being swayed by so many logical arguments in this one. Reasonable minds can and do differ here.

Bottom line: Someone offer us a deal that makes really good sense so we can punt on all this in asset value while we see a little bit more from Giddey, Matas and Noa.

I’m just not super comfortable with any other options.

What would you be looking to get for him?

[sco]

Every time I come in here to discuss this, I read the posts, and I leave with the same thought: it’s really, really complicated.

I go back and forth being swayed by so many logical arguments in this one. Reasonable minds can and do differ here.

Bottom line: Someone offer us a deal that makes really good sense so we can punt on all this in asset value while we see a little bit more from Giddey, Matas and Noa.

I’m just not super comfortable with any other options.

What would you be looking to get for him?

This offseason, I think it's another young player plus a 1st or 2 1sts. It goes down to just 1 (non-lotto) 1st at the deadline...which is the problem.

[DuckIII]

Every time I come in here to discuss this, I read the posts, and I leave with the same thought: it’s really, really complicated.

I go back and forth being swayed by so many logical arguments in this one. Reasonable minds can and do differ here.

Bottom line: Someone offer us a deal that makes really good sense so we can punt on all this in asset value while we see a little bit more from Giddey, Matas and Noa.

I’m just not super comfortable with any other options.

What would you be looking to get for him?

Picks or a rangy defensive center or both.

[drosestruts]

to argue against myself - Zach LaVine scored 23 ppg on 64% TS% this year.

He was the most efficient 20+ppg guard in the entire NBA.

If you're volume scorers only provide volume scoring, even if efficiently, we know that's not enough today. Or at least not worthy of a max contract (which ~$30m is not to be clear and is his rumored asking price).

Now Coby's not asking for the max - and he has a year to show that along with his effecient voluem scoring he can contribute to winning.

Most likely scenario as I look into my crystal ball:

1. He re-signs
2. He's sign and traded



3. He walks in free agency (this is a distant 3rd)


I don't feel pressured to "resolve" the Coby situation in the immediate timeline.

The CBA prevents us from offering him a contract extension that would make sense, so we have the year. Im not worried about "losing him for nothing"

Sign and trades are more popular than ever, and free agency is basically non-existent.

[kodo]

Every time I come in here to discuss this, I read the posts, and I leave with the same thought: it’s really, really complicated.

I go back and forth being swayed by so many logical arguments in this one. Reasonable minds can and do differ here.

Bottom line: Someone offer us a deal that makes really good sense so we can punt on all this in asset value while we see a little bit more from Giddey, Matas and Noa.

I’m just not super comfortable with any other options.

What would you be looking to get for him?

This offseason, I think it's another young player plus a 1st or 2 1sts. It goes down to just 1 (non-lotto) 1st at the deadline...which is the problem.

Most likely it will be the same as Brandon Ingram, who was in the identical situation.
It was basically old vets contract (Bruce Brown, Olynyk) and an Indiana 1st round pick which at the time was viewed as a 23-28 pick. And a 2nd rounder.

Assuming another 20 ppg season, which Coby has done for 2 seasons now. If he keeps up his 24 ppg where he won Player of the Month, that's a different game altogether. There's only 3 qualified players under the age of 26 averaging 24 ppg and all 3 got a no-discussion max contract. The combination of youth, 24 ppg, and being able to play full seasons is not that common.

[Dan Z]

Every time I come in here to discuss this, I read the posts, and I leave with the same thought: it’s really, really complicated.

I go back and forth being swayed by so many logical arguments in this one. Reasonable minds can and do differ here.

Bottom line: Someone offer us a deal that makes really good sense so we can punt on all this in asset value while we see a little bit more from Giddey, Matas and Noa.

I’m just not super comfortable with any other options.

What would you be looking to get for him?

Picks or a rangy defensive center or both.

I look around the league and think about who that might be. Would New Orleans part with Yves Missi? Hmmm...maybe not (they recently traded for Poole and probably don't need Coby).

HomoSapien suggested the Bulls look at the situation with Donovan Clingan (because Portland just drafted Yang Hansen and the Bulls own a Portland pick). I doubt he's available, but might be something to look into.

I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.

My guess is that AK let's this play out and then at the end of the season decides what to do.

[dougthonus]

HomoSapien suggested the Bulls look at the situation with Donovan Clingan (because Portland just drafted Yang Hansen and the Bulls own a Portland pick). I doubt he's available, but might be something to look into.

Clingan might be interesting, but I think it's going to take more than an intriguing summer league by Hansen to feel comfortable that he's really good.

[Dan Z]

HomoSapien suggested the Bulls look at the situation with Donovan Clingan (because Portland just drafted Yang Hansen and the Bulls own a Portland pick). I doubt he's available, but might be something to look into.

Clingan might be interesting, but I think it's going to take more than an intriguing summer league by Hansen to feel comfortable that he's really good.

I agree and also don't think Coby is someone Portland would have much interest in.

[Red8911]

HomoSapien suggested the Bulls look at the situation with Donovan Clingan (because Portland just drafted Yang Hansen and the Bulls own a Portland pick). I doubt he's available, but might be something to look into.

Clingan might be interesting, but I think it's going to take more than an intriguing summer league by Hansen to feel comfortable that he's really good.

I like Clingan but that dude moves like he’s already 30 +. I don’t see him being consistently healthy or someone who can handle a lot of minutes.

[dougthonus]

HomoSapien suggested the Bulls look at the situation with Donovan Clingan (because Portland just drafted Yang Hansen and the Bulls own a Portland pick). I doubt he's available, but might be something to look into.

Clingan might be interesting, but I think it's going to take more than an intriguing summer league by Hansen to feel comfortable that he's really good.

I like Clingan but that dude moves like he’s already 30 +. I don’t see him being consistently healthy or someone who can handle a lot of minutes.

I've not watched him a whole lot TBH, so I'm only thinking of predraft assessment. I was less impressed with him predraft than draft experts were though.

[Red Larrivee]

HomoSapien suggested the Bulls look at the situation with Donovan Clingan (because Portland just drafted Yang Hansen and the Bulls own a Portland pick). I doubt he's available, but might be something to look into.

Clingan might be interesting, but I think it's going to take more than an intriguing summer league by Hansen to feel comfortable that he's really good.

I agree and also don't think Coby is someone Portland would have much interest in.

Yeah, I don't see why Portland would trade a young center with multiple years of team control for a redundant guard on an expiring contract.

The issue with Coby's trade value is that there's no incentive to have his bird rights. I can't imagine we could get a lot for him right now.

[Dan Z]

Clingan might be interesting, but I think it's going to take more than an intriguing summer league by Hansen to feel comfortable that he's really good.

I agree and also don't think Coby is someone Portland would have much interest in.

Yeah, I don't see why Portland would trade a young center with multiple years of team control for a redundant guard on an expiring contract.

The issue with Coby's trade value is that there's no incentive to have his bird rights. I can't imagine we could get a lot for him right now.

kodo suggested that the Bulls might be able to get a deal similar to what Toronto paid for Brandon Ingram. Maybe...I look at the list of NBA teams and don't see many who could make that offer.

Dallas maybe...? Anyone else?

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Coby can score efficiently. There’s no valid argument against that. My biggest reason for keeping him is his improvements in ball handling and change of pace when he gets in the paint. He’s become very shifty down there, and it’s paying off. You can tell he works really hard on his game, he’s unselfish, and I can only see him getting better.

I would love to sign him for the same $20-$25M as Giddey. I think he’ll still be very movable if we decide to go in a different direction.

[dougthonus]

Yeah, I don't see why Portland would trade a young center with multiple years of team control for a redundant guard on an expiring contract.

The issue with Coby's trade value is that there's no incentive to have his bird rights. I can't imagine we could get a lot for him right now.

The incentive to get his bird rights is you won't be under the cap next year, or in Coby's case, even if you are, his cap hold is likely below his contract, so you can do a bit of arbitrage by signing him last. Assuming you mean less incentive because he's not restricted?

[Dan Z]

Bulls shut down multiple teams calling for Coby White trade

"'I know multiple teams tried to trade for Coby this summer,' the NBA exec said. 'There was some chatter that he was almost traded on draft night. The Bulls love him, though. He’s not going anywhere. They have shot down trade inquiries for him,'" an NBA executive toldDallas Hoops Journal.

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