Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated

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No they didn't. He had ONE all-NBA season (2006-2007) (and he never made the team ever again) up to that point with zero playoff success. He was NEVER considered a top 15 player in the NBA. His pathetic rebounding, poor interior defense, non-existent playmaking, and poor playoff performances cemented that.

When he joined the Heat (remember that he hadn't been all-nba in 3 seasons), was he better than:

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I mean, what's the point? You realize that Bosh signed a max deal with Miami before Lebron and LeDecision, right? Did Stephen Jackson sign a max deal in 2010? Okay, I rest my case. I just think it is hilarious that you guys act like Bosh was not all that when Vegas already jumped Miami to favorites to win the East BEFORE Lebron even joined the team. Then, you have the infamous Lebron shouting to the crowd, "Not one... not two.. not one..." speech. I seem to recall there three players on that stage that day and Bosh was on of them. They trying change history in this post right now, but we ain't gonna let them forget, fam. They wanna act like Bosh was a nobody now because my man got blood clots, had to retire, and couldn't show out post-Lebron.

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Yeah acting like he wasn't a really good player and what would be an elite #2 with wade is insane. As you said that duo alone was odds on favorite to win the conference before lebron made his decision.

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Your list is embarrassing and just subjective nonsense. He was better than at least a third of those guys in 2009 easily.

That's an interesting list he had there, isn't it?

Dirk
Duncan
Lebron
Wade
KD
Kobe
Dwight
CP3

Obviously, Bosh was worse than all of these guys. Even Duncan, who was a 19/10.5/3.5 guy with far better defense, despite being into his 30s at that point, and notably load managed.

Pau
Westbrook

Russ was a rookie, so I'd generally give it to Bosh there. He was a 15/5/5 guy, but he was also horrendously inefficient and, of course, made decisions like, well, Russ.

Pau, though, was both a better defender and a better passer, and then also a better playoff performer. That said, he was also in a role more suited to him, as #2 to Kobe. When he was in Memphis, the question of who was better was a tougher call.

Carmelo

This one's tough. Melo had a strong PG next to him, but had a major down year in volume and had a rough year in terms of efficiency. Was a weird year where he was All-NBA 3rd Team but didn't make the AS team, probably because he missed so much time in January.

I'd take Bosh. They had a bunch of similar weaknesses in terms of playmaking and the amount of time they took to jab step my patience to death, but Bosh was actually an efficient scorer and was still better on D.

Amare

I'd take Bosh. Amare didn't do anything special that year, and missed a lot of games. He was also one of the worst defenders in the league. He was more efficient, but he also had Nash. Was a weird year with Shaq on the team, and Alvin Gentry taking over as coach and it was just... eh.

Manu

Nah, I'd take Bosh. I think Manu did better in the role he was filling, but dude was like a 16/4.5/3.5 guy playing under 30 mpg who missed almost half the season. I like Manu, but Bosh was doing more work that year.

LMA Zbo

Nah. LMA was a worse scorer, no better on the glass, not much better as a playmaker... his main claim is he shot so many jumpers that his turnover rate was hella low. He was a roughly 18/7.5 guy posting under league-average efficiency, nothing that special that season. ANd Z-Bo, while a better rebounder, wasn't better at anything else.

Rose

This was rookie Rose. No one sane would take rookie Derrick Rose over 09 Chris Bosh.

Thanks for the nuanced response. I'd respectfully disagree on some of those opinions, but appreciate the feedback. I'd put Pau in the initial list with the unquestionably better players (especially after the incredible game 7 performance against Boston). I don't see Bosh replicating that performance ever given his very poor interior defense and aversion to contact. Injuries derailed Amare, but I think time has shown he was a significantly better player than Bosh was. Even if Bosh was the much better perimeter defender, Bosh's poor interior defense and constant playoff struggles really have a negative opinion for me. I mean I can't forget Hibbert just straight up clowning him. I just can't see how you can say Bosh was better than Amare when remembering those games of Amare scoring at will against prime Duncan. I think LMA proved that he was better than Bosh as well given he was capable of banging down low and being the focus of an offense. That series of LMA against Houston was incredible. Bosh never came close to doing anything of that nature.

I've got a soft spot for Z-bo admittedly, but I would say he was a better interior defender than Bosh ever was. Bosh was just horrendous down low. Z-bo could bang with anyone. Again, Bosh always came up small in the playoffs. Z-bo leading Memphis to an upset over the Spurs was more impressive than anything Bosh ever did in the NBA IMO. I'd also put Melo above Bosh simply because I factor in the ability to be the focal point of an offense. Bosh never showed that his entire career sans that one season with the Raptors where they got swept by the Nets. It was an embarrassing performance in the first round by Bosh.

Rose ended up winning the MVP the season Bosh joined the Heat. He was a former #1 pick who you could see the talent. That knee injury killed his career, but he was really quickly getting to a point that no one would take Bosh over him.

Again, appreciate the discussion on Bosh. I'm an admitted Bosh hater, but I never liked his game. His aversion to contact and constant playoff performances just leave bad impression for me. I truly feel he never gets in the HOF if he played out west his whole career where the great bigs were.

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I mean, what's the point? You realize that Bosh signed a max deal with Miami before Lebron and LeDecision, right? Did Stephen Jackson sign a max deal in 2010? Okay, I rest my case. I just think it is hilarious that you guys act like Bosh was not all that when Vegas already jumped Miami to favorites to win the East BEFORE Lebron even joined the team. Then, you have the infamous Lebron shouting to the crowd, "Not one... not two.. not one..." speech. I seem to recall there three players on that stage that day and Bosh was on of them. They trying change history in this post right now, but we ain't gonna let them forget, fam. They wanna act like Bosh was a nobody now because my man got blood clots, had to retire, and couldn't show out post-Lebron.

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Yeah acting like he wasn't a really good player and what would be an elite #2 with wade is insane. As you said that duo alone was odds on favorite to win the conference before lebron made his decision.

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Who cares what Vegas thinks? Miami had to go 7 to beat the Celtics that year. No way that win that series without Lebron on the team. The Bulls ended up with the #1 seed and Miami only was 2 games better than Boston that year. If they didn't have Lebron, they would not have been the favorites by the end of the regular season. If Lebron stayed in Cleveland, I think Cleveland has better odds than a Wade-Bosh led Heat team too.

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I mean, what's the point? You realize that Bosh signed a max deal with Miami before Lebron and LeDecision, right? Did Stephen Jackson sign a max deal in 2010? Okay, I rest my case. I just think it is hilarious that you guys act like Bosh was not all that when Vegas already jumped Miami to favorites to win the East BEFORE Lebron even joined the team. Then, you have the infamous Lebron shouting to the crowd, "Not one... not two.. not one..." speech. I seem to recall there three players on that stage that day and Bosh was on of them. They trying change history in this post right now, but we ain't gonna let them forget, fam. They wanna act like Bosh was a nobody now because my man got blood clots, had to retire, and couldn't show out post-Lebron.

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Was he going to show out by getting dominated in the post by scrubs by Roy Hibbert? Or how about scoring zero points in a game 7 in the Finals against the Spurs when the opposing defenses were focused on Lebron & Wade? LMA made 5 all-nba selections his whole career vs Bosh's one selection. Please name me ONE instance in Bosh's whole career as impressive as LMA against Dwight, Harden, and the Rockets in the 1st round? Heck, name me one instance better than Z-Bo leading Memphis as an 8 seed upsetting Duncan and the #1 seeded Spurs? Z-Bo averaged 22, 9, 3 assists, 1 steal, and .5 blocks while shooting 50% as the focus of the offense. When has Bosh EVER done anything like that?

They all had bad playoff games during that stretch. Lebron got locked up by JJ Barea in the finals in 2011. Literally scored 8 points in a finals game. We gonna talk about how Lebron was -24 in an elimination game or on defense made Jason Terry look like Jordan? Wade had some incredibly bad games too. Btw, Bosh arguably outplayed Lebron in that series and after that year Lebron's camp had this huge media push about it needed to "his team" or whatever. Bosh settled with shooting 3's in the corner after that and being far and away their best defender. That's Bosh's legacy. He was willing to sacrifice his stats for the greater good. However, maybe he should have never settled. He should have said, "Hell, nah, I am max player and you get the ball or I'll demand a trade." That's what players do today, right? But then they don't win anything. Bosh sacrificed for his club.

You bring up that zero point game. Bosh only took 5 shots in that game. Refresh my memory, but I seem recall that in game six SA was about roll out their trophies when Miami was down by 5 with 30 seconds to go. What happened next? Bosh had the basically two huge plays that saved Miami's season. Offensive rebound and kick out to Ray Allen to tie the game and blocking Danny Green's 3p that could have tied the game. There is no game 7 without Bosh in that series, so I fail to see your point. What about game 3 when Kawhi completely locked up Lebron and held 15 points and -32 for the game? Nobody on the team scored more than 16 points. SA's defense was just really good. Give the other team credit. SA was really good and they made good players look really bad. It happens.

Speaking of rebounding, that has to be one of the greatest in NBA history.