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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1821 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:08 am

Ziaire Williams and Day Sharpe for Simons works.

So why is Brad not calling the Nets about that?

That automatically puts the Cs below the repeater threshold.
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Post#1822 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:11 am

Fierce1 wrote:If Simons plays for the Cs on opening night then the debate is settled.

That means Brad and Joe are on the same page about winning comes first.

If not then I will concede the argument.

Honestly it's not about being right/wrong in some debate. I personally don't care, this is just fun to lay out what I would do and reasons why and see other ideas. And it's impossible to settle these things, lol. If Simons is dealt beforehand you can say "well that was too good a deal to pass up", if he lasts to opening day I can say "there just wasn't a deal out there he liked, but Brad definitely tried". Then everyone goes on thinking they were right. :lol:

I think he's trying to trade him for the reasons I laid out, and new opportunities will come up closer to the start of the season. If it doesn't happen, oh well, I hope Simons kicks butt and we trade him later.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1823 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:14 am

djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If Simons plays for the Cs on opening night then the debate is settled.

That means Brad and Joe are on the same page about winning comes first.

If not then I will concede the argument.

Honestly it's not about being right/wrong in some debate. I personally don't care, this is just fun to lay out what I would do and reasons why and see other ideas. And it's impossible to settle these things, lol. If Simons is dealt beforehand you can say "well that was too good a deal to pass up", if he lasts to opening day I can say "there just wasn't a deal out there he liked, but Brad definitely tried". Then everyone goes on thinking they were right. :lol:

I think he's trying to trade him for the reasons I laid out, and new opportunities will come up closer to the start of the season. If it doesn't happen, oh well, I hope Simons kicks butt and we trade him later.

I don't believe in making excuses.

If Simons is dealt before opening night then I will gladly admit to being wrong.
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Post#1824 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:15 am

Fierce1 wrote:Ziaire Williams and Day Sharpe for Simons works.

So why is Brad not calling the Nets about that?

That automatically puts the Cs below the repeater threshold.

Sharpe was just signed to a new deal, so Nets can't trade him til Dec. And Nets have Cam Thomas as a pending RFA they're trying to get back cheaper. Simons doesn't make sense for them unless they're getting persuasion in the form of a pretty good draft asset or 2.
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Post#1825 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:22 am

Fierce1 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If Simons plays for the Cs on opening night then the debate is settled.

That means Brad and Joe are on the same page about winning comes first.

If not then I will concede the argument.

Honestly it's not about being right/wrong in some debate. I personally don't care, this is just fun to lay out what I would do and reasons why and see other ideas. And it's impossible to settle these things, lol. If Simons is dealt beforehand you can say "well that was too good a deal to pass up", if he lasts to opening day I can say "there just wasn't a deal out there he liked, but Brad definitely tried". Then everyone goes on thinking they were right. :lol:

I think he's trying to trade him for the reasons I laid out, and new opportunities will come up closer to the start of the season. If it doesn't happen, oh well, I hope Simons kicks butt and we trade him later.

I don't believe in making excuses.

If Simons is dealt before opening night then I will gladly admit to being wrong.

I don't really have that hard a position, I guess. I think they should and are trying to move him to duck the tax, but aren't going to spend much in the way of draft assets to do it. They may or may not find a deal to enable that by opening night. If they don't it gets harder to duck the tax.

If they don't cut any substantial $ by opening day and then are able to trade Simons in season and fully duck the tax, I guess I'd be wrong then.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1826 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:23 am

djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Ziaire Williams and Day Sharpe for Simons works.

So why is Brad not calling the Nets about that?

That automatically puts the Cs below the repeater threshold.

Sharpe was just signed to a new deal, so Nets can't trade him til Dec. And Nets have Cam Thomas as a pending RFA they're trying to get back cheaper. Simons doesn't make sense for them unless they're getting persuasion in the form of a pretty good draft asset or 2.

Sharpe is a Team Option.

The trade works on the trade machine.

My point exactly.
Brad does not want negative value for Simons.
That's why I think Brad won't move him before the season starts.
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Post#1827 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:24 am

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djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Ziaire Williams and Day Sharpe for Simons works.

So why is Brad not calling the Nets about that?

That automatically puts the Cs below the repeater threshold.

Sharpe was just signed to a new deal, so Nets can't trade him til Dec. And Nets have Cam Thomas as a pending RFA they're trying to get back cheaper. Simons doesn't make sense for them unless they're getting persuasion in the form of a pretty good draft asset or 2.

Sharpe is a Team Option.

The trade works on the trade machine.

My point exactly.
Brad does not want negative value for Simons.
That's why I think Brad won't move him before the season starts.

No, they declined the QO and he has a new contract pending.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/day-ron-sharpe-returns-nets-182100385.html

Trade checker you're using is out of date.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1828 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:25 am

djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Honestly it's not about being right/wrong in some debate. I personally don't care, this is just fun to lay out what I would do and reasons why and see other ideas. And it's impossible to settle these things, lol. If Simons is dealt beforehand you can say "well that was too good a deal to pass up", if he lasts to opening day I can say "there just wasn't a deal out there he liked, but Brad definitely tried". Then everyone goes on thinking they were right. :lol:

I think he's trying to trade him for the reasons I laid out, and new opportunities will come up closer to the start of the season. If it doesn't happen, oh well, I hope Simons kicks butt and we trade him later.

I don't believe in making excuses.

If Simons is dealt before opening night then I will gladly admit to being wrong.

I don't really have that hard a position, I guess. I think they should and are trying to move him to duck the tax, but aren't going to spend much in the way of draft assets to do it. They may or may not find a deal to enable that by opening night. If they don't it gets harder to duck the tax.

If they don't cut any substantial $ by opening day and then are able to trade Simons in season and fully duck the tax, I guess I'd be wrong then.

Maybe the new owner just wants to partially duck the tax.

Not totally duck the tax.

We will know the answer to that once trade deadline passes.
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Post#1829 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:29 am

djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Sharpe was just signed to a new deal, so Nets can't trade him til Dec. And Nets have Cam Thomas as a pending RFA they're trying to get back cheaper. Simons doesn't make sense for them unless they're getting persuasion in the form of a pretty good draft asset or 2.

Sharpe is a Team Option.

The trade works on the trade machine.

My point exactly.
Brad does not want negative value for Simons.
That's why I think Brad won't move him before the season starts.

No, they declined that and has a new contract pending.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/day-ron-sharpe-returns-nets-182100385.html

Trade checker you're using is out of date.

Yeah, trade machine I used still has him at Team Option.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1830 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:30 am

Fierce1 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Sharpe is a Team Option.

The trade works on the trade machine.

My point exactly.
Brad does not want negative value for Simons.
That's why I think Brad won't move him before the season starts.

No, they declined that and has a new contract pending.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/day-ron-sharpe-returns-nets-182100385.html

Trade checker you're using is out of date.

Yeah, trade machine I used still has him at Team Option.

It's annoying, lol. Fanspo is the nicest, but Spotrac has the most up to date contract stuff. It's just a clunkier interface in their trade machine and so much harder to bring in a new team to a trade to try things out.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1831 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:33 am

Celtics saved 40m in the Niang trade.

Maybe that's enough savings and the new owner will agree to stay on the 1st apron.
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Post#1832 » by jmr07019 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 12:37 pm

djFan71 wrote:I'm still on the trading Simons ship. The only way it makes sense to keep him this year is if you think he's a long-term fit. If not, duck the tax, and develop the guys who will possibly be long term players. Every minute Simons plays is one less for all the young guys to split. Yeah, they're not the same position exactly, but it comes out of the same pool of total minutes. Would you rather give 1800 minutes to Simons and see him walk or split that to give Baylor/Hugo/Walsh more time on the wing?

Simons would help score this year with Tatum out for sure. But with Tatum back, do you still want Simons around with the ball in his hands less? Or do you think he's going to being the one to setup Tatum/Brown/White? Either way, you need a big improvement on D and either in primary playmaking or playing off-ball. Obviously, it's all possible that he improves across the board - but it's not something he's shown much of in his career. And, if he does show all that - can we afford to resign him then? Esp over a big with that salary slot?

IMO, Brad's looking, but just trying to not spend assets to do it. And the market's weak. Sept might mean something if other teams need to be able to aggregate to get Simons, plus a few other things may unjam with the unresolved RFAs.


Simons is only 15 months older than Scheierman and a much, much better player.

Jordan Walsh has yet to prove he belongs in the league.

Hugo could barely crack the rotation in Europe and is now playing in a better league. He is likely multiple years away from contributing to a deep playoff run.

Celtics are much better off investing in Simons. Much higher chance he can contribute to a playoff run than those other 3 guys.

I get what you’re saying about not wanting to take the ball out of Tatum’s hands but I also believe having only two guys (Brown and Tatum) who could consistently bend a defense was a problem. And as much as I love JB he can be turnover prone and or have tunnel vision while driving. Whether it’s Simons or someone else Celtics need another guy who can drive the ball.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1833 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 12:54 pm

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djFan71 wrote:I'm still on the trading Simons ship. The only way it makes sense to keep him this year is if you think he's a long-term fit. If not, duck the tax, and develop the guys who will possibly be long term players. Every minute Simons plays is one less for all the young guys to split. Yeah, they're not the same position exactly, but it comes out of the same pool of total minutes. Would you rather give 1800 minutes to Simons and see him walk or split that to give Baylor/Hugo/Walsh more time on the wing?

Simons would help score this year with Tatum out for sure. But with Tatum back, do you still want Simons around with the ball in his hands less? Or do you think he's going to being the one to setup Tatum/Brown/White? Either way, you need a big improvement on D and either in primary playmaking or playing off-ball. Obviously, it's all possible that he improves across the board - but it's not something he's shown much of in his career. And, if he does show all that - can we afford to resign him then? Esp over a big with that salary slot?

IMO, Brad's looking, but just trying to not spend assets to do it. And the market's weak. Sept might mean something if other teams need to be able to aggregate to get Simons, plus a few other things may unjam with the unresolved RFAs.


Simons is only 15 months older than Scheierman and a much, much better player.

Jordan Walsh has yet to prove he belongs in the league.

Hugo could barely crack the rotation in Europe and is now playing in a better league. He is likely multiple years away from contributing to a deep playoff run.

Celtics are much better off investing in Simons. Much higher chance he can contribute to a playoff run than those other 3 guys.

I get what you’re saying about not wanting to take the ball out of Tatum’s hands but I also believe having only two guys (Brown and Tatum) who could consistently bend a defense was a problem. And as much as I love JB he can be turnover prone and or have tunnel vision while driving. Whether it’s Simons or someone else Celtics need another guy who can drive the ball.

That is true.
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Post#1834 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Aug 13, 2025 1:10 pm

https://fastbreakjournal.com/boston-celtics-trade-georges-niang-jazz-anfernee-simons-nba-rumors/

Sources: Boston Celtics Struggling to Find Trade for Anfernee Simons

Sources told FastbreakJournal.com that Boston entered the offseason focused on shedding salary and had struggled to find a trade partner for Anfernee Simons’ contract since acquiring him in the Jrue Holiday trade. Simons remains a trade candidate to monitor.
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Post#1835 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 1:13 pm

Celtic offense becomes stagnant when everybody on the floor are just at the 3pt line wanting to shoot 3s.

Simons' ability to score on drives to the basket will result in more open shots for the Cs.
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Post#1836 » by darrendaye » Wed Aug 13, 2025 1:29 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Celtic offense becomes stagnant when everybody on the floor are just at the 3pt line wanting to shoot 3s.

Simons' ability to score on drives to the basket will result in more open shots for the Cs.


It's not just wanting to shoot 3's, the offense is heavy in hunting mismatches and isolation, which is another cause for standing around the perimeter. We'll see if the higher pace and movement talk has any backing once the season starts. But I agree with the overarching theme that Simons' ability to create for himself is a trait in short supply on the roster.
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Post#1837 » by tfribs45 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 1:57 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If Simons plays for the Cs on opening night then the debate is settled.

That means Brad and Joe are on the same page about winning comes first.

If not then I will concede the argument.

Honestly it's not about being right/wrong in some debate. I personally don't care, this is just fun to lay out what I would do and reasons why and see other ideas. And it's impossible to settle these things, lol. If Simons is dealt beforehand you can say "well that was too good a deal to pass up", if he lasts to opening day I can say "there just wasn't a deal out there he liked, but Brad definitely tried". Then everyone goes on thinking they were right. :lol:

I think he's trying to trade him for the reasons I laid out, and new opportunities will come up closer to the start of the season. If it doesn't happen, oh well, I hope Simons kicks butt and we trade him later.

I don't believe in making excuses.

If Simons is dealt before opening night then I will gladly admit to being wrong.


Why get rid of talent to save $$$? It's not coming out of our pocket, NO WAY this group tanks.... The guys on the roster/coaching staff are not built like that. Simons will end up surprising a lot of people here. He just needs to get on board defensively
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Post#1838 » by jmr07019 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:20 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:https://fastbreakjournal.com/boston-celtics-trade-georges-niang-jazz-anfernee-simons-nba-rumors/

Sources: Boston Celtics Struggling to Find Trade for Anfernee Simons

Sources told FastbreakJournal.com that Boston entered the offseason focused on shedding salary and had struggled to find a trade partner for Anfernee Simons’ contract since acquiring him in the Jrue Holiday trade. Simons remains a trade candidate to monitor.


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Post#1839 » by celtxman » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:21 pm

Fierce1 wrote:I doubt the Cs would have traded KP if the Cs were not an apron team.

KP is borderline All-Star player if healthy.

It was more sacrifice than dump.

If KP has overcome this mysterious illness this can turn out badly. I said many times that I would have waited and kept him whether to play him or trade him later once he re-established himself. The risk? The illness stays or he gets injured. The penalty in the worst case scenario - they have to wait through next season and then his salary is gone. One year that lines up with Tatum's injury. You would have to reach to find a basketball reason to not wait and see.
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Post#1840 » by Hal14 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:22 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Sharpe is a Team Option.

The trade works on the trade machine.

My point exactly.
Brad does not want negative value for Simons.
That's why I think Brad won't move him before the season starts.

No, they declined that and has a new contract pending.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/yearly
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/day-ron-sharpe-returns-nets-182100385.html

Trade checker you're using is out of date.

Yeah, trade machine I used still has him at Team Option.

"Day'Ron Sharpe signed a two-year, $12 million contract with the Brooklyn Nets on June 30, 2025. This contract ensures he will remain with the Nets for the 2025-26 season. The second year of the deal is a team option, according to HoopsHype's Michael Scotto, who first reported the news."
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