Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

JK taking the QO isn't that bad?

And if JK and the team don't come together on a short term deal and he plays on the QO then team won't have a medium sized salary to trade to improve the team next season.

We can just sign GP2 to a larger expiring contract in that case and still sign Horford, Melton, Brogdon. Yea that's the only real down side to jk taking the qo.

Also, I don't ever take reports in the media as gospel, but saying JK's is value is 2 seconds is not even accurate. The reports were that the Kings would offer a FRP and a player who was drafted with the 13th pick(not that I like DC). Not even to mention that the return in a S&T was never going to be equal value and that if he was already under contract his return would probably be greater than that.

DC + Saric + 2 2nds. The 1st wasn't offered until after Saric was no longer tradeable which meant the upgraded 1st was to take on Monk's contract and we don't even know if DC was included in that offer.

People are also bringing up how much $ JK could lose if he doesn't accept the Warriors current offer, and plays on the QO, but for all we know JK might feel like getting drafted by GS has already cost him a long term extension he very likely would have received by now if he had been drafted by 25 or so other organizations and losing another $14M to control his own future isn't as big a deal as some fans would like to think it is.

Say JK takes the Warriors current offer, Kerr gives him the same treatment next season, the Warriors still don't find a trade they like at the next deadline and then the team picks up the second year of his contract and he has to come back again as an expiring contract....that sounds like it would be a nightmare for him.

Then take the qo. Again the only thing the Warriors miss out on is a medium sized expiring contract and 2 2nds. Oh no .. the value we'll be losing if he signs the qo. Such a valuable asset. Since he canvassed the entire league we know his value and it's not a lot. Which is why we aren't guaranteeing the 2nd year. He's more valuable as an expiring contract than on a long term deal. We know that, he knows that which is why the only thing we're negotiating on is his the 2nd year option. That's why everyone should know he's bluffing saying the qo is attractive to him but he won't actually sign it. That 2nd year means a ton more to him while hamstringing us in a future trade, which is why we won't budge.

Do you think he will end up taking the current offer?

I don’t.

Yes I think he takes our current offer.

[whatisacenter]

Spoiler:

We can just sign GP2 to a larger expiring contract in that case and still sign Horford, Melton, Brogdon. Yea that's the only real down side to jk taking the qo.



DC + Saric + 2 2nds. The 1st wasn't offered until after Saric was no longer tradeable which meant the upgraded 1st was to take on Monk's contract and we don't even know if DC was included in that offer.


Then take the qo. Again the only thing the Warriors miss out on is a medium sized expiring contract and 2 2nds. Oh no .. the value we'll be losing if he signs the qo. Such a valuable asset. Since he canvassed the entire league we know his value and it's not a lot. Which is why we aren't guaranteeing the 2nd year. He's more valuable as an expiring contract than on a long term deal. We know that, he knows that which is why the only thing we're negotiating on is his the 2nd year option. That's why everyone should know he's bluffing saying the qo is attractive to him but he won't actually sign it. That 2nd year means a ton more to him while hamstringing us in a future trade, which is why we won't budge.

Do you think he will end up taking the current offer?

I don’t.

Yes I think he takes our current offer.

Time will tell.

[EvanZ]

Someone was like "IS CAM THOMAS A FLAKE?" LMAO

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[Twinkie defense]

At the end of the day Jonathan Kuminga is not that important to the Warriors.

[Zvaart]

What is important is that we blown another pick, sadly

[whatisacenter]

At the end of the day Jonathan Kuminga is not that important to the Warriors.

Then they should have let him become an UFA.

[EvanZ]

At the end of the day Jonathan Kuminga is not that important to the Warriors.

Then they should have let him become an UFA.

They should do exactly what they're doing. They should try to extract the maximum value they can. Why would you not want them to do that? It's weird.

[Twinkie defense]

What is important is that we blown another pick, sadly

Seems to be the way of the NBA, most draft picks don't pan out. A pick has it's most value before it is used to select a player lol.

[whatisacenter]

At the end of the day Jonathan Kuminga is not that important to the Warriors.

Then they should have let him become an UFA.

They should do exactly what they're doing. They should try to extract the maximum value they can. Why would you not want them to do that? It's weird.

I was responding to the poster who was saying that he is not that important to the Warriors. I assumed he meant as a player or an asset.

[Twinkie defense]

1. Warriors signed KD as a free agent (causing the new collective bargaining agreement to have a cap "smoothing" provision to prevent future Warriors coups).

2. Warriors turned KD, who was leaving as an unrestricted free agent, into D'Angelo Russell to maintain KD's salary slot.

3. Warriors trade D'Angelo Russell to the T-Wolves for Andrew Wiggins and a first round pick.

4. Warriors use T-Wolves first round pick to select Jonathan Kuminga.

5. Warriors trade Wiggins and a first round pick for Jimmy Butler.

So basically Warriors turned KD, who had decided to leave the Warriors as an unrestricted free agent, into Jimmy Butler. Not a bad way for that situation to play out. And the question is will this be the end of the line for that decision? Or can the Warriors keep it going by turning Kuminga into another salary slot? That's up to Kuminga... but the Warriors are making it worth his while.

[wco81]

What is important is that we blown another pick, sadly

Seems to be the way of the NBA, most draft picks don't pan out. A pick has it's most value before it is used to select a player lol.

The thing to be worried about is who will be making the draft picks when the Warriors are in the top half of the lottery for years after Curry is gone.

[EvanZ]

Then they should have let him become an UFA.

They should do exactly what they're doing. They should try to extract the maximum value they can. Why would you not want them to do that? It's weird.

I was responding to the poster who was saying that he is not that important to the Warriors. I assumed he meant as a player or an asset.

Well it depends what is meant by "not that important". It doesn't mean there is no importance whatsoever. It means to the extent he has some market value left, then the importance is proportional to that value. That is what they are trying to extract. Any Warriors fan should hope they can squeeze as much juice as possible out of this lemon.

[Twinkie defense]

Then they should have let him become an UFA.

They should do exactly what they're doing. They should try to extract the maximum value they can. Why would you not want them to do that? It's weird.

I was responding to the poster who was saying that he is not that important to the Warriors. I assumed he meant as a player or an asset.

Kuminga is not that important as a player or an asset for the Warriors. That doesn't mean there is no value to the asset - unfortunately Kuminga's value is mostly as a salary slot.

[Twinkie defense]

What is important is that we blown another pick, sadly

Seems to be the way of the NBA, most draft picks don't pan out. A pick has it's most value before it is used to select a player lol.

The thing to be worried about is who will be making the draft picks when the Warriors are in the top half of the lottery for years after Curry is gone.

I'm glad Bob Meyers is gone.

[EvanZ]

People talk a lot about who GM's draft, but what is the real key to drafting is HOW MANY you draft. It's really about shots on goal.

That is the magic lesson everyone should learn from Prestigiacomo. He has has more than his fair share of whiffs (Dieng, Poku, etc), but he stockpiled so many picks, some of them were bound to be hits. If I were a GM and rebuilding a team my mission would simply be to stockpile as many picks as possible.

[whatisacenter]

They should do exactly what they're doing. They should try to extract the maximum value they can. Why would you not want them to do that? It's weird.

I was responding to the poster who was saying that he is not that important to the Warriors. I assumed he meant as a player or an asset.

Well it depends what is meant by "not that important". It doesn't mean there is no importance whatsoever. It means to the extent he has some market value left, then the importance is proportional to that value. That is what they are trying to extract. Any Warriors fan should hope they can squeeze as much juice as possible out of this lemon.

Well, they have done pretty much all they can to diminish his value up to this point.

[Onus]

What is important is that we blown another pick, sadly

Seems to be the way of the NBA, most draft picks don't pan out. A pick has it's most value before it is used to select a player lol.

The thing to be worried about is who will be making the draft picks when the Warriors are in the top half of the lottery for years after Curry is gone.

Well Kent Lacob is no longer with the Warriors so ...

[AirP.]

So it seems the play for GS right now is either Kuminga takes the 2 year ~45 million contract or he picks up the QO.

If Kuminga takes the 2 year 45 million contract...
* GS picks up Horford TPMLE and then has enough money to add 3 more vet minimums staying under the 2nd apron.

If Kuminga takes the QO...
* GS pays 7.9 mil to Kuminga
* GS picks up Horford for the TPMLE (~5.7 mil), adds 2 more vet minimums unless they want to pick up 3 for 15 active players (~3.0-3.4 mil each).
* GS overpays GPII to have a contract to move, not sure what level of Bird Rights they have but GS will have around 12-16 million under the 2nd apron.
* GPII made 9.1 mil last year so he looks like he can eat up all that available money under the 2nd apron to be traded.
* GS could just pay GPII a little extra and have some room under the 2nd apron to add a 15th player later in the season by signing or trade.

Miami did the same thing a few years ago with overpaying Dragic to have a tradable contract who they used his 20 mil salary in a S&T for Lowery.

[wco81]

People talk a lot about who GM's draft, but what is the real key to drafting is HOW MANY you draft. It's really about shots on goal.

That is the magic lesson everyone should learn from Prestigiacomo. He has has more than his fair share of whiffs (Dieng, Poku, etc), but he stockpiled so many picks, some of them were bound to be hits. If I were a GM and rebuilding a team my mission would simply be to stockpile as many picks as possible.

It all worked because SGA turned into an MVP-level player, though Jalen Williams has outplayed his draft position while Giddey would have been a semi-bust if they hadn't made the trade.

But I don't think most people expected SGA to level up as much as he has. Maybe a fringe All-NBA player but then nobody knows why the refs let him foul-bait like crazy. They let Harden get away with it for a few years and also give it to Trae. Otherwise, it's not predicable.

[Twinkie defense]

Do you think he will end up taking the current offer?

I would bet money that Kuminga will not sign the QO. That's a bluff. He will take a Warriors two-year deal with a team option in year two. Or outside chance Sacramento or some other team will come through with an acceptable trade offer - but I think that's unlikely.