Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Saul Goodman]

Honestly, if it was Masai wanting to trade the pick and RJ for Derrick White I’m pretty glad he’s gone lol. Celtics probably should have done it too if true and they are punting this season.

yeah seriously. Masai had a goated run from 2013-2020 which ill never forget and hes a legend for, but if that was actually a serious discussion then they were right to move on.

[PushDaRock]

It was for White, not Holiday

It also could have been dependent on who was available. Maybe they liked CMB or someone who went ahead of CMB and wouldn't have done the deal unless those guys were picked ahead of #9.

Holiday ended up being damaged goods, so the deal would have been rescinded if that was the offer. It's easier to return 2nds than someone that has already been drafted for another team.

Given the framing of the White rumour, it sounds more like the kind of thing Zach Lowe writes to carry water for his Celtics' buddies. When he writes stuff like, 'hung up laughing' it's someone telling him to print exactly that and it portrays White's value artificially high to the league. Why would anyone give up a top 10 pick for Derrick White at his $$$ and age? Masai was chasing Giannis and Durant, and as soon as Giannis said he was staying with the Bucks he was officially fired by Pelley. The Raptors reportedly wouldn't give up Poeltl for Durant. But they would give up #9 for White? Doesn't seem believable.

Given that we didn't entertain the Pelicans offer, I think the Raptors were probably uninterested in trading this pick once Masai was removed from the decision-making process. The Suns war room leak gives an inside view that we weren't looking at Maluach at all. They must have had a very good idea that CMB would be there.

Derrick White is in the Top 15 player range by advanced metrics while locked in for another 3/4 years at a reasonable number. He's also 31 while KD is turning 37 next month. Top 10 pick seems a reasonable ask for a player of his caliber.

[Godaddycurse]

It also could have been dependent on who was available. Maybe they liked CMB or someone who went ahead of CMB and wouldn't have done the deal unless those guys were picked ahead of #9.

Holiday ended up being damaged goods, so the deal would have been rescinded if that was the offer. It's easier to return 2nds than someone that has already been drafted for another team.

Given the framing of the White rumour, it sounds more like the kind of thing Zach Lowe writes to carry water for his Celtics' buddies. When he writes stuff like, 'hung up laughing' it's someone telling him to print exactly that and it portrays White's value artificially high to the league. Why would anyone give up a top 10 pick for Derrick White at his $$$ and age? Masai was chasing Giannis and Durant, and as soon as Giannis said he was staying with the Bucks he was officially fired by Pelley. The Raptors reportedly wouldn't give up Poeltl for Durant. But they would give up #9 for White? Doesn't seem believable.

Given that we didn't entertain the Pelicans offer, I think the Raptors were probably uninterested in trading this pick once Masai was removed from the decision-making process. The Suns war room leak gives an inside view that we weren't looking at Maluach at all. They must have had a very good idea that CMB would be there.

Derrick White is in the Top 15 player range by advanced metrics while locked in for another 3/4 years at a reasonable number. He's also 31 while KD is turning 37 next month. Top 10 pick seems a reasonable ask for a player of his caliber.

Agreed. Remember when we turned down a top 10 pick for OG with less years of control? White is as good if not better than OG was.

[Los_29]

Honestly, if it was Masai wanting to trade the pick and RJ for Derrick White I’m pretty glad he’s gone lol. Celtics probably should have done it too if true and they are punting this season.

Celtics are punting the season not the next 5 seasons. lol.

[MEDIC]

So what does everyone think of a PF with Julius Randle offense & Draymond Green defense & IQ?

Are people happy with that as a ceiling?

That’s like a top 50 all-time player, so okay, I guess.

I know a lot of people don't like Randle's game, so I wanted to see how reasonable people are.

Lets not forget......Draymond doesn't have the same value if he plays for the Pistons rather than the Warriors. People wouldn't be looking at him the same way.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Honestly, if it was Masai wanting to trade the pick and RJ for Derrick White I’m pretty glad he’s gone lol. Celtics probably should have done it too if true and they are punting this season.

yeah seriously. Masai had a goated run from 2013-2020 which ill never forget and hes a legend for, but if that was actually a serious discussion then they were right to move on.

He's a gambler. Everybody loves the gambler when he's on a hot streak. That's what 2019 was, he hit the Powerball.

Nobody likes the "Gambler" when the car's being re-possessed, and the family's loosing the house. That's the last five years.

[Yallbecrazy]

Honestly, if it was Masai wanting to trade the pick and RJ for Derrick White I’m pretty glad he’s gone lol. Celtics probably should have done it too if true and they are punting this season.

yeah seriously. Masai had a goated run from 2013-2020 which ill never forget and hes a legend for, but if that was actually a serious discussion then they were right to move on.

He's a gambler. Everybody loves the gambler when he's on a hot streak. That's what 2019 was, he hit the Powerball.

Nobody likes the "Gambler" when the car's being re-possessed, and the family's loosing the house. That's the last five years.

Masai was actually very risk averse in his trades, very few would do trades with him after a while because of his reputation as a fleecer.

My only criticism would be that he was so good at drafting he should have acquired more picks to take advantage as those picks were more valuable to Toronto than any other team. Being risk averse he didn't do that.

[Reeko]

So what does everyone think of a PF with Julius Randle offense & Draymond Green defense & IQ?

Are people happy with that as a ceiling?

That’s like a top 50 all-time player, so okay, I guess.

I know a lot of people don't like Randle's game, so I wanted to see how reasonable people are.

Lets not forget......Draymond doesn't have the same value if he plays for the Pistons rather than the Warriors. People wouldn't be looking at him the same way.

If he's got Draymond's defense and IQ with Randles scoring ability, that's a top 10 player in the league because he won't be making the same boneheaded decisions that Randle makes on offense. The question I have for CMB is does he want to be THAT guy when it comes to scoring?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Masai was actually very risk averse in his trades, very few would do trades with him after a while because of his reputation as a fleecer.

My only criticism would be that he was so good at drafting he should have acquired more picks to take advantage as those picks were more valuable to Toronto than any other team. Being risk averse he didn't do that.

He took the wrong kind of risks, like that Fred wouldn't walk. Or, that contracts wouldn't go bad. etc..

Even tanking for a good pick, but then not committing. He failed.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

[YogurtProducer]

Honestly, if it was Masai wanting to trade the pick and RJ for Derrick White I’m pretty glad he’s gone lol. Celtics probably should have done it too if true and they are punting this season.

yeah seriously. Masai had a goated run from 2013-2020 which ill never forget and hes a legend for, but if that was actually a serious discussion then they were right to move on.

He's a gambler. Everybody loves the gambler when he's on a hot streak. That's what 2019 was, he hit the Powerball.

Nobody likes the "Gambler" when the car's being re-possessed, and the family's loosing the house. That's the last five years.

He is 100% not a gambler in any way and his biggest complaint among fans was how long it took him to make decisions. Do you not remember "evaluating"?

It is impressive how consistently out to lunch you are on these takes though.

IDK if I would call the last 5 years anything CLOSE to gambling. I suppose he "gambled" on the 2024 pick he traded by assuming it wouldn't end up as a top 10 pick, but that is about the extent of it. Other than that we ended up with all our future picks, and a young roster. Gambling would have been trading significant draft capital to keep the team together - not blow it up.

[YogurtProducer]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

I feel like these aren't actual scouts takes, and its the author pretending to be one Every scout reads in the same voice.

[CanadaB-Ball]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

I feel like these aren't actual scouts takes, and its the author pretending to be one Every scout reads in the same voice.

I can assure you that the author is not pretending to be a scout. Are you not familiar with Samson Folk?

[Nature]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

Wait, that scout would have picked him ahead of Flagg? That's insane, no? Am I missing something?

[GLF]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

Wait, that scout would have picked him ahead of Flagg? That's insane, no? Am I missing something?

No. The scouts are ranking our 8 prospects lol. He’s number one to this scout of our 8 young players

[Nature]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

Wait, that scout would have picked him ahead of Flagg? That's insane, no? Am I missing something?

No. The scouts are ranking our 8 prospects lol. He’s number one to this scout of our 8 young players

Ahhhhhh thank you sir. That makes a lot more sense.

[DreamTeam09]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

Wait, that scout would have picked him ahead of Flagg? That's insane, no? Am I missing something?

No. The scouts are ranking our 8 prospects lol. He’s number one to this scout of our 8 young players

2nd scout is dumb & just reinforces the fact that half the ppl in the world believe jumpers = good offense & lack of a jumper = no offense. I'd much rather RJ lack of a jumper compared to say Anfernee Simon's/Cam Thomas/ great jumper
At 6'7 240+ 7ft wingspans & quickness that's great size for the 4 or 3,

[GLF]

Wait, that scout would have picked him ahead of Flagg? That's insane, no? Am I missing something?

No. The scouts are ranking our 8 prospects lol. He’s number one to this scout of our 8 young players

2nd scout is dumb & just reinforces the fact that half the ppl in the world believe jumpers = good offense & lack of a jumper = no offense. I'd much rather RJ lack of a jumper compared to say Anfernee Simon's/Cam Thomas/ great jumper
At 6'7 240+ 7ft wingspans & quickness that's great size for the 4 or 3,

Thank you! I’ve been saying this. A lot of people fall into that on here too. Too many people’s analysis of a player starts and ends at “can he shoot?”. And generally if the answer is no, to them that means the person isn’t a good offensive player or can’t impact the offensive end positively. Shooting is also not the only way one can provide spacing on the floor. I understand shooting is important in the league today, but the obsession with it has gotten so out of hand in my opinion. It’s at the point where people seem to really think shooting is the only thing someone can do well on offence that matters. It’s so tired and such lazy analysis. Then when the player who can’t shoot plays better than expected on offence they’ll act so shocked, but I will be here to remind everyone I said CMB was going to be just fine on that end from the beginning. Also his shot isn’t broken, I think he will become a league average to just below league average shooter eventually. But thankfully even if he doesn’t he should still be a really good player.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2025/08/13/nba-scouts-rank-the-raptors-prospects/

I feel like these aren't actual scouts takes, and its the author pretending to be one Every scout reads in the same voice.

naw

https://youtu.be/uv43_I1Ecdg?t=914

[binjumper]

Thought this was the CMB thread and not the I want to cry about thing Masai did, but he's here anymore.

Anyways hyped about this kid. He has alot of potential and I think alot of people are going to be surprised on how much basketball IQ he has.