Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[EvanZ]

Defending pedophilia because the president is a pedophile is an interesting look. Of all the things I thought would not be controversial, in the least, this one is at the top of the list. The fact that you seem to be perfectly fine with this is a real cause for concern. I sincerely hope you're not a parent.

What I'm not ok with is your fake outrage, but I think I've established that.

The only thing you've established is that you're perfectly fine with sleeping w/ a 15 year old when you (or someone else) is 19. Congratulations on outing yourself in a public forum where you use your real first name.

Again, millions and millions of 19-year olds are having sex with 15-year olds every damn day. The fact that you are just realizing this is wild. Most of their parents and their friends know about it and nobody cares. FAKE OUTRAGE.

Man, I want to be there to see the look on your face when you find out who your daughters are with.

[vvoland]

What I'm not ok with is your fake outrage, but I think I've established that.

The only thing you've established is that you're perfectly fine with sleeping w/ a 15 year old when you (or someone else) is 19. Congratulations on outing yourself in a public forum where you use your real first name.

Again, millions and millions of 19-year olds are having sex with 15-year olds every damn day. The fact that you are just realizing this is wild. Most of their parents and their friends know about it and nobody cares. FAKE OUTRAGE.

Man, I want to be there to see the look on your face when you find out who your daughters are with.

The whataboutism is wild but I doubt you know what that is. Yes, lots of people sleep with minors. Lots of people steal and murder, too.

And I'll ask, respectfully, don't talk about my kids.

[Twinkie defense]

BTW anyone curious why Kyle Filipowski's girlfriend was never arrested for statutory rape? Maybe vvoland and Old Blue can go hunt her down and shoot her.

Age of consent in Utah is 16

[EvanZ]

BTW anyone curious why Kyle Filipowski's girlfriend was never arrested for statutory rape? Maybe vvoland and Old Blue can go hunt her down and shoot her.

Age of consent in Utah is 16

Although...he is from NY.

[HiRez]

Are you serious? We were all 18-25 and, I HOPE, somehow managed not to rape any 15 year olds.

That's kind of the point though. You HOPE, but you may not KNOW. Yes, yes, I know the "statutory" part, but people calling Giddey a "pedophile" is pretty far out there without knowing all the circumstances. If she lied about her age, what is he supposed to do? Only date 40+ year olds at 19 because only then could know they're "safe"? Have a full background check done on any girl he wants to be with? I don't think some of you guys live in reality. Listen, if Giddey knew she was 15, and he pursued her anyway, and obviously if he forced himself on her (whether she was underage or not), then yeah, he should absolutely be locked up. But there's nuance beyond that, which is exactly why prosecutors have discretion, and they presumably have a lot more information about it than any of we do.

[Twinkie defense]

I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

If your teenage daughters think you might commit acts of violence against the persons they are dating unfortunately you're gonna make them sneak around and hide what they're doing. Something to think about.

She wasn't 'dating' him, she was raped. The fact that some people on this board think a 15 year CAN consent, does not make it true.

Let me revise my statement - if your teenager thinks you believe her boyfriend is a rapist and you might shoot him, unfortunately you're gonna make her sneak around and hide what she's doing. Something to think about.

FWIW teens typically turn 17 during their junior years. Age of consent in Oklahoma is 16.

[EvanZ]

It's pretty clear what Giddey should have done. He should have married her first. That way he couldn't be guilty of statutory rape.

[HiRez]

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

OK Dad, let's flip this around momentarily just for the sake of experiment (also for you, Blue). Your son is the 19 year who slept with a 15 year old and he says she lied to him about her age. Are you going to demand the "POS" (don't forget...your son!) be incarcerated immediately, or are you just going to shoot him?

ps. Not trying to attack you, just curious what your stance is from a different perspective.

[Twinkie defense]

If your teenage daughters think you might commit acts of violence against the persons they are dating unfortunately you're gonna make them sneak around and hide what they're doing. Something to think about.

She wasn't 'dating' him, she was raped. The fact that some people on this board think a 15 year CAN consent, does not make it true.

Whether or not they were dating isn't actually the issue. As long as the age requirements are met, it is statutorily deemed to be rape - even if the minor gives consent.

By your legalistic reasoning it's ok for OKC's GM to have sex with 16-year old girls in Oklahoma.

[EvanZ]

If Texas brings back sodomy laws (which they are trying to do), will vvoland and Old Blue tell us that gays shouldn't have sex there? That they're "perverts"?

[EvanZ]

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

OK Dad, let's flip this around momentarily just for the sake of experiment (also for you, Blue). Your son is the 19 year who slept with a 15 year old and he says she lied to him about her age. Are you going to demand the "POS" (don't forget...your son!) be incarcerated immediately, or are you just going to shoot him?

Well this only matters if vvoland has sons. Because in his world only things that apply to him matter.

[Twinkie defense]

This is crazy. A poster is saying that they would kill someone...

Yeah I find that casual threat of deadly violence more disturbing that knowing that high schoolers sometimes have sex with 20 year olds.

[EvanZ]

I'm going to reserve my outrage for domestic violence cases like Miles Bridges. That's where I draw a hard line of not wanting the dude to be on my team.

[Twinkie defense]

I'll ask, respectfully, don't talk about my kids.

TBF I think you brought your kids into the discussion?

[Larry Ellison]

I haven't posted in many years, and this may not be the right topic for jumping back in, but I will add a few comments.

Giddey is not a pedophile. That term is used to refer to people who seek out sexual interactions with children who are much younger. Not 15 years old. That does not mean he is free from blame. I have daughters, and observed them many times hanging out with friends during their teenage years, and I will say unequivocally that you can tell when a girl is underage. It is not just physical appearance, it is also their maturity and the way they talk. I don't care if this girl had a fake ID and met Giddey in a club. He knew. It was a colossal error in judgment. And statutory rape. She is not legally capable of consent. My understanding is she was a willing participant in the relationship, and did not cooperate with prosecutors, which is why the DA did not indict Giddey. I seem to recall her family hired Gloria Allred and there was probably a substantial payment made from Giddey to the family in return for a release on any civil claims. That is just my speculation. Any agreement would have been confidential.

I'm not a big fan of Giddey. OKC traded him and Sam Presti is the best in the business. This JK saga has become a summer stalemate, and it is disappointing that JK never became the player the Warriors hoped for. But I don't think trading for Giddey is the answer.

[whatisacenter]

This thread has been bad from the jump but this is next level.

The internet has won again.

[Larry Ellison]

I think the topic of what Giddey did is worthy of discussion, especially since he is a player the Warriors are rumored to have trade interest in. But the personal attacks between posters are not a good thing. Just making an observation as a long time lurker. Respectful dialogue is always better. If this comment offends anyone, I apologize. Carry on.

[whatisacenter]

I think the topic of what Giddey did is worthy of discussion, especially since he is a player the Warriors are rumored to have trade interest in. But the personal attacks between posters are not a good thing. Just making an observation as a long time lurker. Respectful dialogue is always better. If this comment offends anyone, I apologize. Carry on.

I wasn’t referring to you.

Stick around.

[Twinkie defense]

I'm not a big fan of Giddey. OKC traded him and Sam Presti is the best in the business. This JK saga has become a summer stalemate, and it is disappointing that JK never became the player the Warriors hoped for. But I don't think trading for Giddey is the answer.

Giddey is objectively better than Kuminga and OKC traded him due to looming cap problems not because of his behavior (or they wouldn't have waited for the criminal and League investigations to close with no penalty). So if you don't want him its due to character issues not playing ability.

I wish there was a firmer stand from teams about employing players with character issues. The Raiders for example take a strong stance against players who have committed domestic violence. Latrell Sprewell committed workplace violence and continued to have a high-paying job in the League. Michael Vick ran a heinous dogfighting ring, went to prison for it, and still got a job in the league. The Warriors previously rostered a player who was credibly accused of rape so a it would be a leap for them to now draw a line with an incident which both participants (aside from the varying ages of consent in different states) viewed as consensual.

[EvanZ]

Is what Giddey did morally worse than what Draymond did to Poole? Not in my opinion.