Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Larry Ellison]

Giddey had a good half season. He is not worth $30M/year. I don't want him for basketball reasons, not character. I am not a believer in his improved 3PT shooting and our team already has spacing issues.

[EvanZ]

Giddey had a good half season. He is not worth $30M/year. I don't want him for basketball reasons, not character. I am not a believer in his improved 3PT shooting and our team already has spacing issues.

He would not be making $30M here or anywhere AFAIK. I think the question is whether he's worth paying the $23M or so that JK would be getting from us. I'm not sure, but I am sure I'd rather have Giddey on that deal than JK.

[Larry Ellison]

Evan: Yes, maybe you are right. That's a low bar. JK has been a huge disappointment. I agree with the approach the front office has taken with him. Teams have to be careful how they spend their cap now with the apron rules. Giddey at $20M/year might be a risk worth taking. Time will tell if his shooting improvement was for real.

[HiRez]

I have daughters, and observed them many times hanging out with friends during their teenage years, and I will say unequivocally that you can tell when a girl is underage. It is not just physical appearance, it is also their maturity and the way they talk. I don't care if this girl had a fake ID and met Giddey in a club. He knew.

I have to disagree with this, I've seen a lot of girls who are 15 (ish) who could easily pass for at least 17 or 18 and vice-versa. Both in physical appearance and demeanor/maturity. And when you're 19 your powers of observation are definitely not honed yet, nor are your instincts likely to prioritize legal distinctions. Most of the time, I agree you can discern a general age by observing someone. But not always.

I feel like it's getting to the point where we should just issue kids unhackable chips with their birthday on them and GPS to read local laws, you tap wrists or whatever, green means go, red means no, easy.

[Twinkie defense]

This is all beside the point of course since the Bulls would never trade Giddey for Kuminga.

[Larry Ellison]

I have daughters, and observed them many times hanging out with friends during their teenage years, and I will say unequivocally that you can tell when a girl is underage. It is not just physical appearance, it is also their maturity and the way they talk. I don't care if this girl had a fake ID and met Giddey in a club. He knew.

I have to disagree with this, I've seen a lot of girls who are 15 (ish) who could easily pass for at least 17 or 18 and vice-versa. Both in physical appearance and demeanor/maturity. And when you're 19 your powers of observation are definitely not honed yet, nor are your instincts likely to prioritize legal distinctions. Most of the time, I agree you can discern a general age by observing someone. But not always.

I feel like it's getting to the point where we should just issue kids unhackable chips with their birthday on them and GPS to read local laws, you tap wrists or whatever, green means go, red means no, easy.

I am still figuring out how to quote messages in my reply. Hopefully this works.

We can agree to disagree. I am a lawyer and statutory rape is a strict liability criminal offense. So, in that respect, it is clear cut. Things can get muddled in real life especially when making moral judgments, as opposed to legal determinations. We shouldn't expect good decision making from 19 year old males. That is why I always told my daughters to be careful with boys! I think after talking to her, Josh would have figured it out. The relationship lasted for a while. If I were this girl's father, I would be really f'in upset.

[watch1958]

Well hey, how about those S&T rumors?

[HiRez]

I have daughters, and observed them many times hanging out with friends during their teenage years, and I will say unequivocally that you can tell when a girl is underage. It is not just physical appearance, it is also their maturity and the way they talk. I don't care if this girl had a fake ID and met Giddey in a club. He knew.

I have to disagree with this, I've seen a lot of girls who are 15 (ish) who could easily pass for at least 17 or 18 and vice-versa. Both in physical appearance and demeanor/maturity. And when you're 19 your powers of observation are definitely not honed yet, nor are your instincts likely to prioritize legal distinctions. Most of the time, I agree you can discern a general age by observing someone. But not always.

I feel like it's getting to the point where we should just issue kids unhackable chips with their birthday on them and GPS to read local laws, you tap wrists or whatever, green means go, red means no, easy.

I am still figuring out how to quote messages in my reply. Hopefully this works.

We can agree to disagree. I am a lawyer and statutory rape is a strict liability criminal offense. So, in that respect, it is clear cut. Things can get muddled in real life especially when making moral judgments, as opposed to legal determinations. We shouldn't expect good decision making from 19 year old males. That is why I always told my daughters to be careful with boys! I think after talking to her, Josh would have figured it out. The relationship lasted for a while. If I were this girl's father, I would be really f'in upset.

That's fair and to be honest, there's probably very little overlap between the 15 year old girls who are on the more emotionally and mentally mature side and those who are obtaining fake IDs to get into clubs. Again, whether a typical 19 year old guy would process that, I'm not so sure.

[Larry Ellison]

Returning the topic to JK, he has no leverage. If he is dumb enough to take the QO, and give up millions because he wants out so badly, it means that he also has no future on our team because he is a discontent who would not make the improvements needed to get PT under Kerr. So why would we give him guaranteed money in the 2nd year? I gotta say, MDJr was really unpopular as a player, but he has been a good GM and an improvement over Myers. I still remember going to a Warriors game in 2007 right after MDJr was traded. There was a guy wearing a Dunleavy jersey. He put duct tape over the "leavy" so it just said "Dun." It was hilarious. But MDJr as a GM has done well with what he was given. His FA signings have been value contracts, he showed restraint in not giving in to Ainge's trade rape demands for Lauri, and he has correctly diagnosed that the team has leverage over JK because nobody is going to give him an offer sheet. His draft picks have been good. I never expected to be a fan of MDJr but he has earned it. There used to be a user on this forum named Thugleavy. What happened to that guy? He was ahead of his time.

[vvoland]

Is what Giddey did morally worse than what Draymond did to Poole? Not in my opinion.

Really? I mean, we're talking about two adults, engaging in verbal sparing, pushing, and escalating to a punch. You think that's worse than sleeping w/ a 15 year old? Where do you draw the line? If she was 13 but looked 18+ thta's also fine? From your posts, it doesn't seem like you have an upper or lower limit. Is it fine for 25 year olds to sleep with 15 yo? 35? 45? I can't believe people are defending statutory rape. It's a wild day and age.

Sodomy and oral sex laws in the south are nothing like this. If you're too dense to see the difference in regulating what two adults do with protecting minors, there's not much else to discuss.

[vvoland]

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

OK Dad, let's flip this around momentarily just for the sake of experiment (also for you, Blue). Your son is the 19 year who slept with a 15 year old and he says she lied to him about her age. Are you going to demand the "POS" (don't forget...your son!) be incarcerated immediately, or are you just going to shoot him?

ps. Not trying to attack you, just curious what your stance is from a different perspective.

That is a fair and difficult question. If my 19 yo son slept with a 15 year old, I would have a real tough time looking in the mirror as the son I raised, apparently, didn't have enough sense to not sleep with minors. And is associating with minors. And can't tell the difference between someone that's 21 and someone that's 15.

Obviously, for my kids, I would hire the best legal help and try to help them avoid jail. Because, you know, they're my kids and we all act differently towards our kids as perpetrators than we would as victims. For instance, I realize shooting JG for raping A 15yo is not the reasonable thing to do. IF it was MY 15 year old, I'd probably have an unreasonable reaction.

[vvoland]

I have daughters, and observed them many times hanging out with friends during their teenage years, and I will say unequivocally that you can tell when a girl is underage. It is not just physical appearance, it is also their maturity and the way they talk. I don't care if this girl had a fake ID and met Giddey in a club. He knew.

I have to disagree with this, I've seen a lot of girls who are 15 (ish) who could easily pass for at least 17 or 18 and vice-versa. Both in physical appearance and demeanor/maturity. And when you're 19 your powers of observation are definitely not honed yet, nor are your instincts likely to prioritize legal distinctions. Most of the time, I agree you can discern a general age by observing someone. But not always.

I feel like it's getting to the point where we should just issue kids unhackable chips with their birthday on them and GPS to read local laws, you tap wrists or whatever, green means go, red means no, easy.

I am still figuring out how to quote messages in my reply. Hopefully this works.

We can agree to disagree. I am a lawyer and statutory rape is a strict liability criminal offense. So, in that respect, it is clear cut. Things can get muddled in real life especially when making moral judgments, as opposed to legal determinations. We shouldn't expect good decision making from 19 year old males. That is why I always told my daughters to be careful with boys! I think after talking to her, Josh would have figured it out. The relationship lasted for a while. If I were this girl's father, I would be really f'in upset.

It did? I thought it was a one night stand and JG had a 'reasonable' defense of 'i met her in a club and didn't know she was 15'... this is all much worse.

[vvoland]

Giddey had a good half season. He is not worth $30M/year. I don't want him for basketball reasons, not character. I am not a believer in his improved 3PT shooting and our team already has spacing issues.

Giddey put up good numbers in 30 meaningless games after the AS break, when half his opponents were actively tanking. If the last 30 games of a season, for a losing team, were any real indication, anthony randolph would have made 10 all-nba teams.

[Larry Ellison]

I have to disagree with this, I've seen a lot of girls who are 15 (ish) who could easily pass for at least 17 or 18 and vice-versa. Both in physical appearance and demeanor/maturity. And when you're 19 your powers of observation are definitely not honed yet, nor are your instincts likely to prioritize legal distinctions. Most of the time, I agree you can discern a general age by observing someone. But not always.

I feel like it's getting to the point where we should just issue kids unhackable chips with their birthday on them and GPS to read local laws, you tap wrists or whatever, green means go, red means no, easy.

I am still figuring out how to quote messages in my reply. Hopefully this works.

We can agree to disagree. I am a lawyer and statutory rape is a strict liability criminal offense. So, in that respect, it is clear cut. Things can get muddled in real life especially when making moral judgments, as opposed to legal determinations. We shouldn't expect good decision making from 19 year old males. That is why I always told my daughters to be careful with boys! I think after talking to her, Josh would have figured it out. The relationship lasted for a while. If I were this girl's father, I would be really f'in upset.

It did? I thought it was a one night stand and JG had a 'reasonable' defense of 'i met her in a club and didn't know she was 15'... this is all much worse.

It was more than that. It's been a while. I paid attention when it was happening. I am just going off my recollections. She was bragging on social media about hooking up with Josh. It was the inadvertent public disclosure of an inappropriate relationship that brought it to a screaching halt. She was 15 years old and didn't realize the potential consequences by posting on IG that she just f*ed Josh Giddey. I only know what I saw online so I could be wrong. My impression was they were a thing, not a one night stand, both were ok with it, and it was only her dumb social media post that ended it.

[vvoland]

People talk about noel and Schroeder and, possibly, JK but the real bag fumble was Glenn Taylor. The blazers just sold for over 4B but he got 1.5 for the wolves? Ouch

[HiRez]

I thought it was a one night stand and JG had a 'reasonable' defense of 'i met her in a club and didn't know she was 15'... this is all much worse.

It was more than that. It's been a while. I paid attention when it was happening. I am just going off my recollections. She was bragging on social media about hooking up with Josh. It was the inadvertent public disclosure of an inappropriate relationship that brought it to a screaching halt. She was 15 years old and didn't realize the potential consequences by posting on IG that she just f*ed Josh Giddey. I only know what I saw online so I could be wrong. My impression was they were a thing, not a one night stand, both were ok with it, and it was only her dumb social media post that ended it.

Has Josh Giddey gotten a pass from the media because he’s white?

This article focuses on a different aspect, but it has some interesting information.

In a social media post, a user said a girl who features prominently in photographs and videos with Giddey was as young as 15. Giddey turned 21 last month. “I’m dating Josh!” she screams in one snippet. “We don’t have to talk about it!”
...
The smoking gun is a since-deleted post from an anonymous user whose account has been deactivated.

IDK, there's a lot of unverified information being tossed around. The people involved, the league, the lawyers all have more information. But they all also may have various motivations to not disclose any of it, or selectively release things that may omit, skew, or exaggerate information. From what I've read it's kind of hard to know the exact details of what happened.

[HiRez]

People talk about noel and Schroeder and, possibly, JK but the real bag fumble was Glenn Taylor. The blazers just sold for over 4B but he got 1.5 for the wolves? Ouch

That's crazy. Portland is a slightly larger city but not by a lot, they seem like they are similar markets. On the other hand, Portland doesn't have any NFL, NHL, MLB teams competing for dollars like the Wolves do, maybe that's a factor? Almost 3X the price though, jeez. Hope they aren't planning on moving the Blazers.

[Larry Ellison]

I thought it was a one night stand and JG had a 'reasonable' defense of 'i met her in a club and didn't know she was 15'... this is all much worse.

It was more than that. It's been a while. I paid attention when it was happening. I am just going off my recollections. She was bragging on social media about hooking up with Josh. It was the inadvertent public disclosure of an inappropriate relationship that brought it to a screaching halt. She was 15 years old and didn't realize the potential consequences by posting on IG that she just f*ed Josh Giddey. I only know what I saw online so I could be wrong. My impression was they were a thing, not a one night stand, both were ok with it, and it was only her dumb social media post that ended it.

Has Josh Giddey gotten a pass from the media because he’s white?

This article focuses on a different aspect, but it has some interesting information.

In a social media post, a user said a girl who features prominently in photographs and videos with Giddey was as young as 15. Giddey turned 21 last month. “I’m dating Josh!” she screams in one snippet. “We don’t have to talk about it!”
...
The smoking gun is a since-deleted post from an anonymous user whose account has been deactivated.

IDK, there's a lot of unverified information being tossed around. The people involved, the league, the lawyers all have more information. But they all also may have various motivations to not disclose any of it, or selectively release things that may omit, skew, or exaggerate information. From what I've read it's kind of hard to know the exact details of what happened.

She posted on IG "I just f*ed Josh Giddey." That is a fact. The post was rapidly deleted. But I saw the screen capture myself at the time. Nothing is ever truly deleted on the Internet. She was bragging. She was immature. This was the catalyst for the entire investigation. Beyond that, I don't like to speculate about factual issues that I don't have personal knowledge of. My uninformed speculation is that things were going swimmingly and he would have continued the relationship with her if it had not been publicly exposed. But it was. I was expecting criminal prosecution and NBA discipline. It never happened. The girl refused to cooperate. I don't blame her parents for wanting to shut it down instead of create a spectacle with a trial. She was a wild child and a willing participant in the relationship. Josh was 19. He should have known better and found a different girl.

[ILOVEIT]

Off seasons....phew. This has gotten pretty rough.

[Old_Blue]

It was more than that. It's been a while. I paid attention when it was happening. I am just going off my recollections. She was bragging on social media about hooking up with Josh. It was the inadvertent public disclosure of an inappropriate relationship that brought it to a screaching halt. She was 15 years old and didn't realize the potential consequences by posting on IG that she just f*ed Josh Giddey. I only know what I saw online so I could be wrong. My impression was they were a thing, not a one night stand, both were ok with it, and it was only her dumb social media post that ended it.

She posted on IG "I just f*ed Josh Giddey." That is a fact. The post was rapidly deleted. But I saw the screen capture myself at the time. Nothing is ever truly deleted on the Internet. She was bragging. She was immature. This was the catalyst for the entire investigation. Beyond that, I don't like to speculate about factual issues that I don't have personal knowledge of. My uninformed speculation is that things were going swimmingly and he would have continued the relationship with her if it had not been publicly exposed. But it was. I was expecting criminal prosecution and NBA discipline. It never happened. The girl refused to cooperate. I don't blame her parents for wanting to shut it down instead of create a spectacle with a trial. She was a wild child and a willing participant in the relationship. Josh was 19. He should have known better and found a different girl.

You have represented yourself as a lawyer. These are statements unbecoming of the profession. Quite frankly, they constitute victim shaming. I'd like to also point out that your recollection of the matter is faulty. Giddey was 21 - not 19 - at the time of the "relationship" in question.

https://www.foxla.com/news/nba-star-josh-giddey-investigation-newport-beach-pd-alleged-relationship-minor