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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#81 » by Saberestar » Tue Aug 12, 2025 2:43 pm

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Bosnia and Herzegovina coach Adis Beciragic made no attempt to hide his frustration after the game, pointing to glaring fitness problems among his players.

“[Jusuf] Nurkic is out of shape and can barely run,” Beciragic said of the NBA center, who scored 15 points in his team's latest losing effort.

https://basketnews.com/news-229221-bosnia-coach-calls-out-jusuf-nurkic-over-poor-shape.html#google_vignette

Yeah, no surprises here.


When you think just a year ago around this time you posted a hype tweet about him meeting Bud in Croatia, being in best shape of his life ready to take us to the promised land with the help of the Big 3.

He had some good games for us at the start of the season (that 8W-1L) but other than that he usually was outplayed by every starting C in front of him.

Yeah, we tried it and it didn't work for us. Different team next season.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#82 » by Saberestar » Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:02 pm

Khaman Maluach isn't in South Sudan's official roster. He definitely is not playing Afrobasket 2025.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#83 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:05 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Trae is enticing for sure! With the hopes that he could bring some level of Nash magic to our backcourt.

But if adding/ targeting another star player at the expense of every last ounce of value and young talent we have left, I'd honestly much rather go after Lauri Markkanen as a frontcourt scoring compliment to our defensive wings and centers.

And I think that Ainge might have some level of interest in Allen and O'neale (both who played well for the Jazz in the past). :dontknow:


Bro just compared Trae to Nash. :banghead: I’m sorry and I apologize ahead of time but that is single-handedly the worst comparison of all time. Literally nothing a like as players. Nash was head and shoulders above Trae in the IQ category. Trae looks for the points first then forces his assist numbers. There’s a reason Atlanta has never won more than 43 games in a season since Trae was drafted. Trae makes NO ONE better. He just hunts stats. Nash MADE everyone better because stats was the least of his worries, he could not care less if he scored a single point in a game. It was a rarity for Nash to play on a team with less than 50 wins

Don’t ever compare those two again if you want to maintain an ounce of knowledge respectability. And I again I apologize for being harsh but this particular comparison really gets under my skin with how uneducated and weak it is.


Lol!

I like your insights man! but honestly, this is an emotionally based response here and a bit hyperbolic in presentation. The comparison of the two is actually quite simple and accurate in that both are undersized but cerebral playmaking guards that are exceptionally good playmakers man. And for a brief stint (shooting funks being expected at times with players) Young was also a pretty good shooter early on.

Now environmental and situational factors can of course affect a players game on multiple levels. But the point I was making that I had hope wouldn't go overlooked as much as it apparently has, is that both Nash and Young are " natural playmakers" that are exceptional pick and roll facilitators.

Nash was of course the standard and in a tier above most every other guard comparison. But it's important to consider context in that Nash had a much superior roster to play alongside of too. Who exactly did/ does Trae Young have comparable to make his job easier?

You say that Young only looks to score, yet he managed to average around 11.6 assists.

Trae Young is known for his high assist numbers and playmaking ability as a point guard. [/size ][size=150]He has led the league in assists multiple times and is among the all-time leaders in assists per game. In his most recent full NBA season, he averaged 11.6 assists per game, leading the league in total assists.

 Young's playmaking skills have made him a vital part of the Atlanta Hawks' offense. His ability to create scoring opportunities for teammates through passes is a key part of his game and has earned him recognition as a top facilitator in the NBA. His assist totals in multiple seasons have placed him among the league's elite in that category. 

In summary, Trae Young is an exceptional passer with a knack for creating scoring chances for his teammates. He frequently leads the league in assists and is considered a premier point guard in the NBA. 


You point out his predominant proclivities for scoring, yet reference the above for accurate reflection. What other stars (who can actually score)!! Did he have helping him on Atlanta's roster?? What other legit shooters has he played with since Murray got traded??

My point is contextual factors are important here in that perhaps he had to look to score so much because their roster has been so limited offensively and he's not had any other legitimate help on the offensive end? Could that he a possibility to consider man?

So key points here that I made were:

1- " MAYBE" Young could bring some level of Nash magic to our backcourt...............As in being a cerebral pick n roll playmaker with exceptional passing abilities, although undersized. This would be important by the way in getting Booker to actually play at his natural position instead of mitigating his true talents as a scorer.

2- Maybe, just maybe Young looks to score so much because there wasn't any other decent suppoetive offensive options or depth options around him on that roster as was constructed??

3- He still was/ is considered a "premiere" playmaking guard averaging 11.6 assists despite the claim of being a " srat padding scoring guard. How many assists did Nash and Paul average with us comparably with much better rosters man?

You see, perhaps uoon further reflection, my view was misunderstood and not at all that uneducated and weak after all.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

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Post#85 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 12, 2025 10:09 pm

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Who's your early guess for the assistant that might have the greatest beneficial impact on our young team this season man?
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Post#86 » by Saberestar » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:27 pm

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Who's your early guess for the assistant that might have the greatest beneficial impact on our young team this season man?

I don't know them well enough to give an informed opinion.
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Post#87 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Aug 13, 2025 4:28 pm

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Who's your early guess for the assistant that might have the greatest beneficial impact on our young team this season man?

I don't know them well enough to give an informed opinion.


That's cool man. I guess we'll learn more about them heading into the preseason. I'm leaning into seeing what Mermuys can do from his time with Orlando considering their elite defense. Also what Cleeves might be able to do for our youth development.

And most importantly what Mike Muscala might be able to help our bigs with in terms of floor spacing development and offensive production? The others, ok but kind of meh for now.

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We have #5- Royce O'neale and #11- Ryan Dunn from this list. But I wonder how Dillon Brooks will rank on our new roster w/ Dunn or O'neale, defending the new and improved slimmer, fitter Luka??
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

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Post#92 » by garrick » Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:01 am

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When you think just a year ago around this time you posted a hype tweet about him meeting Bud in Croatia, being in best shape of his life ready to take us to the promised land with the help of the Big 3.

He had some good games for us at the start of the season (that 8W-1L) but other than that he usually was outplayed by every starting C in front of him.

Yeah, we tried it and it didn't work for us. Different team next season.


The red flags were there even before we traded for him but our genius GM and owner decided to ignore all that and trade for him.

I think his first season here he was a bit more motivated to play harder but that wore off after his first season here and he just ended up being a net negative as we had to attach a 1st round pick just to take him on as an expiring contract. :banghead:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

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We have #5- Royce O'neale and #11- Ryan Dunn from this list. But I wonder how Dillon Brooks will rank on our new roster w/ Dunn or O'neale, defending the new and improved slimmer, fitter Luka??

Makes me wish we still had Camara.
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Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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The next "Giannis" ???
13 yr old 6'11 Mohammed Dabone. Too bad we don't have any picks in the 2030s. Who has our pick in that year for the 2030 draft??
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#97 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:31 pm

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Uh oh. Looks like we'll be playing against professional basketball teams this year. I'm gonna have to take the under on this one, boys.

Quick question in re "Suns." How can there be multiple "closest stars?" Is a sun just any star with a planet orbiting it? So, most stars? I guess the Phoenix Stars would be maybe a little too ironic. The Phoenix Sons sounds like all the other teams are our daddies. Maybe "Suns" refers to the celestial events described by Herodotus.

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#98 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Aug 15, 2025 2:06 am

Durant discovering that the grass isn't always greener. Forced his way to a team that's now low balling him on an extention. With his injury history, he's one bad fall away from wishing he'd stuck around and gotten that sweet Ishbia extention. Dude skrewed Suns fans out of trade leverage, and himself out of a payday.
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What exactly have the pelicans done to jump almost 10 points in the win column? Zion returning? Dude has played 30 games or less, 4 time in 7 nba seasons and even when healthy last season the pelicans were 10-20.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

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The next "Giannis" ???
13 yr old 6'11 Mohammed Dabone. Too bad we don't have any picks in the 2030s. Who has our pick in that year for the 2030 draft??


Would he be eligible for the 2030 or the 2031 draft?

It would be just make too much sense for the unprotected first round pick going to the Jazz being the top selection and they end up picking him as their version of Wemby.

I'll revisit this in 5 years or so and see if my prediction came true. :lol:

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