The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days

[Ghost of Kleine]

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The next "Giannis" ???
13 yr old 6'11 Mohammed Dabone. Too bad we don't have any picks in the 2030s. Who has our pick in that year for the 2030 draft??

Would he be eligible for the 2030 or the 2031 draft?

It would be just make too much sense for the unprotected first round pick going to the Jazz being the top selection and they end up picking him as their version of Wemby.

I'll revisit this in 5 years or so and see if my prediction came true.

I'll have to check again, but I read an article a while back saying he's eligible for the 2030 draft. But I'm not sure who has our 1st that year though?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Never mind, apparently it's Brooklyn who holds our 2030 1st with the expected complications attached:

The Brooklyn Nets own the Phoenix Suns' 2030 first-round draft pick. This pick is part of a larger trade that involved multiple teams, including the Nets, Phoenix, and others. The Nets acquired this pick from the Suns in exchange for the draft rights to Adou Thiero and some future second-round picks. 

The specific details of the trade: The Nets acquired the Suns' 2030 first-round pick, as well as a 2026 second-round pick (least favorable of Los Angeles Clippers or most favorable of the Boston Celtics, Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat). In return, the Suns received the draft rights to Adou Thiero and a second-round pick in the 2025 NBA draft. 

It's worth noting that the Suns also have a swap option on their 2030 first-round pick with the Washington Wizards or Memphis Grizzlies. This means that if the Suns' pick is not as desirable as the Wizards' or Grizzlies' pick in 2030, they can choose to swap it with one of those teams. 

And then of course, Ainge and the Jazz hold our 31' 1st ( completely unprotected).

[sunsbg]

Why do you guys care so much about 7th graders ? Just enjoy the Big 3. Oh wait...

[Mr Puddles]

Why do you guys care so much about 7th graders ? Just enjoy the Big 3. Oh wait...

Our draft picks are so far into the future that people will be suspecting Suns RealGM posters to be in the esptein files, given all the analyzing of preschoolers that will be going on here.

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The next "Giannis" ???
13 yr old 6'11 Mohammed Dabone. Too bad we don't have any picks in the 2030s. Who has our pick in that year for the 2030 draft??

Would he be eligible for the 2030 or the 2031 draft?

It would be just make too much sense for the unprotected first round pick going to the Jazz being the top selection and they end up picking him as their version of Wemby.

I'll revisit this in 5 years or so and see if my prediction came true.

I'll have to check again, but I read an article a while back saying he's eligible for the 2030 draft. But I'm not sure who has our 1st that year though?

There are question marks about his age.

viewtopic.php?t=2471854

Let's hope Maluach is not 25.

[Saberestar]

Mat Ishbia on PHNX Sports. The interview starts around minute 19.

https://www.youtube.com/live/VElFkqJ88CY

[Frank Lee]

I’m not at all interested in listening to this owner’s rahrah delusional optimism. He’s a huckster and has single handedly set this franchise back 5 yrs. F him.

[handsome salary]

Booker isn’t considered top draw player. People who ain’t suns fans or live outside of AZ generally could not care less about Booker. Booker is just (over) valued by Suns fans is the truth. Point is Booker isn’t “must see” TV.

Sure, bud. https://www.nba.com/news/top-selling-jerseys-2024-25-nba-season

Bro is comparing “jersey sales” to “must see TV”. Bro thinks he’s cooking

25-26 Phoenix Suns (PHX): 9 national games. Wonder how that's going to affect jersey sales.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Why do you guys care so much about 7th graders ? Just enjoy the Big 3. Oh wait...

[Mr Puddles]

Mat Ishbia on PHNX Sports. The interview starts around minute 19.

https://www.youtube.com/live/VElFkqJ88CY

Any mention about how we're building a team for the future "the right way"?

[Saberestar]

Devin Booker in the gym
Via coach Robbie Haught

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[KdoubleDees23]

Never mind, apparently it's Brooklyn who holds our 2030 1st with the expected complications attached:

The Brooklyn Nets own the Phoenix Suns' 2030 first-round draft pick. This pick is part of a larger trade that involved multiple teams, including the Nets, Phoenix, and others. The Nets acquired this pick from the Suns in exchange for the draft rights to Adou Thiero and some future second-round picks. 

The specific details of the trade: The Nets acquired the Suns' 2030 first-round pick, as well as a 2026 second-round pick (least favorable of Los Angeles Clippers or most favorable of the Boston Celtics, Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat). In return, the Suns received the draft rights to Adou Thiero and a second-round pick in the 2025 NBA draft. 

It's worth noting that the Suns also have a swap option on their 2030 first-round pick with the Washington Wizards or Memphis Grizzlies. This means that if the Suns' pick is not as desirable as the Wizards' or Grizzlies' pick in 2030, they can choose to swap it with one of those teams. 

And then of course, Ainge and the Jazz hold our 31' 1st ( completely unprotected).

This is legit. Grizzlies and Wizards wont be good. They get #1 and we swap and get this kid to replace Booker as the milestone

[Saberestar]

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reported that Miami was willing to send Terry Rozier, Andrew Wiggins, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Haywood Highsmith, and the No. 20 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft in exchange for Kevin Durant and Cody Martin.

“Per Shams, Suns wanted Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, 20th pick, and a pick swap — as well as Wiggins/Rozier inclusion."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/miami-heat-trade-offer-kevin-005603266.html

We did the right move here. That offer from the Heat was a garbage offer. Jovic NEEDED to be included in the package, he was a must in any trade conversation with the Heat because they didn't want to trade Ware.

I would have been OK with what we wanted from them:

Wiggins
Jovic
Jaquez
Highsmith
#20
FRP swap

That's a solid package for KD BUT what we got from the Rockets was even better than that IMO.

#10 and 6 (finally) 2nds it's better draft capital than #20 and a swap, not even close.

And then you have Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks who are better than Wiggins and Jovic. But I like Jovic's potential as a starting PF in the league. Jovic's progression is gonna be huge to decide who was right in this "no-trade".

Jaquez is old as a prospect, probably a third string next year and slightly a positive asset. Fleming has bigger upside and a longer cheap contract.

[garrick]

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reported that Miami was willing to send Terry Rozier, Andrew Wiggins, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Haywood Highsmith, and the No. 20 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft in exchange for Kevin Durant and Cody Martin.

“Per Shams, Suns wanted Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, 20th pick, and a pick swap — as well as Wiggins/Rozier inclusion."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/miami-heat-trade-offer-kevin-005603266.html

We did the right move here. That offer from the Heat was a garbage offer. Jovic NEEDED to be included in the package, he was a must in any trade conversation with the Heat because they didn't want to trade Ware.

I would have been OK with what we wanted from them:

Wiggins
Jovic
Jaquez
Highsmith
#20
FRP swap

That's a solid package for KD BUT what we got from the Rockets was even better than that IMO.

#10 and 6 (finally) 2nds it's better draft capital than #20 and a swap, not even close.

And then you have Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks who are better than Wiggins and Jovic. But I like Jovic's potential as a starting PF in the league. Jovic's progression is gonna be huge to decide who was right in this "no-trade".

Jaquez is old as a prospect, probably a third string next year and slightly a positive asset. Fleming has bigger upside and a longer cheap contract.

J.Green's contract is toxic though and no one will want to take on his contract in any potential trade unless he makes massive strides next season and we could have traded down from #20 to get an additional trade to snag Flemming in the second.

It really depends if Maluach ends up being something special though and it's too early to tell which deal was the better one.

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[Mr Puddles]

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reported that Miami was willing to send Terry Rozier, Andrew Wiggins, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Haywood Highsmith, and the No. 20 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft in exchange for Kevin Durant and Cody Martin.

“Per Shams, Suns wanted Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, 20th pick, and a pick swap — as well as Wiggins/Rozier inclusion."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/miami-heat-trade-offer-kevin-005603266.html

We did the right move here. That offer from the Heat was a garbage offer. Jovic NEEDED to be included in the package, he was a must in any trade conversation with the Heat because they didn't want to trade Ware.

I would have been OK with what we wanted from them:

Wiggins
Jovic
Jaquez
Highsmith
#20
FRP swap

That's a solid package for KD BUT what we got from the Rockets was even better than that IMO.

#10 and 6 (finally) 2nds it's better draft capital than #20 and a swap, not even close.

And then you have Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks who are better than Wiggins and Jovic. But I like Jovic's potential as a starting PF in the league. Jovic's progression is gonna be huge to decide who was right in this "no-trade".

Jaquez is old as a prospect, probably a third string next year and slightly a positive asset. Fleming has bigger upside and a longer cheap contract.

J.Green's contract is toxic though and no one will want to take on his contract in any potential trade unless he makes massive strides next season and we could have traded down from #20 to get an additional trade to snag Flemming in the second.

It really depends if Maluach ends up being something special though and it's too early to tell which deal was the better one.

The best trade out there was the Minnesota trade, by a mile. That trade would have actually made the team competitive next year.

The Houston trade was the best out of bad options.

As for the Miami trade, I would have rather let KD expire and walk for nothing than take that trade. Calling it 10 cents on the dollar would be generous, and the only reason Miami even offered it is because they know the Suns were backed into a corner. I get that typically getting something in return is better than nothing, but at the same time there's also something to be said for not sending a message out there that other GMs our organization is an easy prey for the vultures to pick. Next time we'd be in a similar situation, no team would take our demands serious.

[lilfishi22]

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reported that Miami was willing to send Terry Rozier, Andrew Wiggins, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Haywood Highsmith, and the No. 20 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft in exchange for Kevin Durant and Cody Martin.

“Per Shams, Suns wanted Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, 20th pick, and a pick swap — as well as Wiggins/Rozier inclusion."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/miami-heat-trade-offer-kevin-005603266.html

We did the right move here. That offer from the Heat was a garbage offer. Jovic NEEDED to be included in the package, he was a must in any trade conversation with the Heat because they didn't want to trade Ware.

I would have been OK with what we wanted from them:

Wiggins
Jovic
Jaquez
Highsmith
#20
FRP swap

That's a solid package for KD BUT what we got from the Rockets was even better than that IMO.

#10 and 6 (finally) 2nds it's better draft capital than #20 and a swap, not even close.

And then you have Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks who are better than Wiggins and Jovic. But I like Jovic's potential as a starting PF in the league. Jovic's progression is gonna be huge to decide who was right in this "no-trade".

Jaquez is old as a prospect, probably a third string next year and slightly a positive asset. Fleming has bigger upside and a longer cheap contract.

J.Green's contract is toxic though and no one will want to take on his contract in any potential trade unless he makes massive strides next season and we could have traded down from #20 to get an additional trade to snag Flemming in the second.

It really depends if Maluach ends up being something special though and it's too early to tell which deal was the better one.

This is key. Essentially we went with the higher potential (#10) route which came with messier contracts (ie Green) over cleaner books but a much later FRP. That said, I think we needed to take the upside over what Miami had to offer. You can get clean books in other ways but a lottery pick is harder to come by, especially considering we don't own most of ours for another 5 years. With Green, yeah that's fraught with risk and I don't really believe in his upside (hoping he'll surprise me) but you gotta take punts when the opportunity knocks and that's what we did.

[Crives]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/miami-heat-trade-offer-kevin-005603266.html

We did the right move here. That offer from the Heat was a garbage offer. Jovic NEEDED to be included in the package, he was a must in any trade conversation with the Heat because they didn't want to trade Ware.

I would have been OK with what we wanted from them:

Wiggins
Jovic
Jaquez
Highsmith
#20
FRP swap

That's a solid package for KD BUT what we got from the Rockets was even better than that IMO.

#10 and 6 (finally) 2nds it's better draft capital than #20 and a swap, not even close.

And then you have Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks who are better than Wiggins and Jovic. But I like Jovic's potential as a starting PF in the league. Jovic's progression is gonna be huge to decide who was right in this "no-trade".

Jaquez is old as a prospect, probably a third string next year and slightly a positive asset. Fleming has bigger upside and a longer cheap contract.

J.Green's contract is toxic though and no one will want to take on his contract in any potential trade unless he makes massive strides next season and we could have traded down from #20 to get an additional trade to snag Flemming in the second.

It really depends if Maluach ends up being something special though and it's too early to tell which deal was the better one.

This is key. Essentially we went with the higher potential (#10) route which came with messier contracts (ie Green) over cleaner books but a much later FRP. That said, I think we needed to take the upside over what Miami had to offer. You can get clean books in other ways but a lottery pick is harder to come by, especially considering we don't own most of ours for another 5 years. With Green, yeah that's fraught with risk and I don't really believe in his upside (hoping he'll surprise me) but you gotta take punts when the opportunity knocks and that's what we did.

Brooks could likely be traded for some real value right now as well.

[Saberestar]

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reported that Miami was willing to send Terry Rozier, Andrew Wiggins, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Haywood Highsmith, and the No. 20 pick in the 2025 NBA Draft in exchange for Kevin Durant and Cody Martin.

“Per Shams, Suns wanted Jaquez, Jovic, Highsmith, 20th pick, and a pick swap — as well as Wiggins/Rozier inclusion."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/miami-heat-trade-offer-kevin-005603266.html

We did the right move here. That offer from the Heat was a garbage offer. Jovic NEEDED to be included in the package, he was a must in any trade conversation with the Heat because they didn't want to trade Ware.

I would have been OK with what we wanted from them:

Wiggins
Jovic
Jaquez
Highsmith
#20
FRP swap

That's a solid package for KD BUT what we got from the Rockets was even better than that IMO.

#10 and 6 (finally) 2nds it's better draft capital than #20 and a swap, not even close.

And then you have Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks who are better than Wiggins and Jovic. But I like Jovic's potential as a starting PF in the league. Jovic's progression is gonna be huge to decide who was right in this "no-trade".

Jaquez is old as a prospect, probably a third string next year and slightly a positive asset. Fleming has bigger upside and a longer cheap contract.

J.Green's contract is toxic though and no one will want to take on his contract in any potential trade unless he makes massive strides next season and we could have traded down from #20 to get an additional trade to snag Flemming in the second.

It really depends if Maluach ends up being something special though and it's too early to tell which deal was the better one.

J. Green's contract is not toxic at all.

His value got down because of his bad performance in the playoffs but it was just one round against a team that was focused on him on defense.

The Warriors didn't defend Amen Thompson in the half court offense and gave him tons of space. On the other hand they blitzed or doubled Jalen Green when he tried to create for himself or his teammates most of the time and he couldn't take advantage of that situation...the Warriors were one of the best defensive teams with Butler.

If you take into consideration his age, athleticism, passion for the game and scoring ability you will understand that he is being underrated by fans just because one specific series in the playoffs. The Rockets made the right move to try to win a championship now but it was a win-win for both sides.

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