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Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate

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Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#1 » by BSD » Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:51 pm

Based on a podcast (before the playoff started) among three Chinese analysts (魔封波, 帕克, and 胖迪) within a 2025 Under 25 Player Rankings show, the key takeaways regarding Cade Cunningham are summarized below:

1. The Debate Over Development Trajectory

Early Doubts:
When Cunningham entered the league, he was overvalued by outlets like ESPN (due to his "draft-and-bust" reputation), but his initial development was below expectations (low efficiency, poor team records).
帕克 bluntly stated that his "raw talent was lacking," while 胖迪 believed he was a "weak-team stat-sheet player" in his first two years, lacking versatility.
2025 Season Rebound:
Data Surge: This season, he averaged nearly 26 points and 6 rebounds with 9 assists, carrying the Pistons’ offense (30%+ usage rate), and his passing vision was reassessed (particularly his pick-and-pop shooting ability).
Team Environment Shift: The Pistons bolstered their shooting (with players like Bojan) and Avery’s unexpected injury released his ball-handling, improving team results (from Lottery to Playoff-caliber), reversing public opinion.
Guest Disagreements:
魔封波 ranked him #3, believing he's now a "franchise cornerstone capable of consistently making the playoffs."
帕克 and 胖迪 were more conservative (ranked #4), worried about his efficiency and playoff pressure (comparing him to Harden during his Rockets years – "stats bubble").

2. Two Opposing Views on Ability


Strengths:
Rarity of the Model: His height (over 6’8” as a point guard) provides a mismatch advantage, and his passing vision is excellent (averaging 9 assists confirms this).
Defensive Value: As the primary ball-handler, he can still provide solid defense, better than pure scorers like Jalen Green.
Durability: Consistent minutes played (contrasting with players like Thon Maker and Chet Holmgren)
Weaknesses:
Lack of One-on-One Creation: 帕克 noted that he struggles to "create opportunities one-on-one, relying on pick-and-roll systems".
Efficiency Concerns: Early in his career, his efficiency was below average, and his progress this season is still questioned (unproven in the playoffs).
Configuration Dependency: 胖迪 emphasized that he needs "extreme ball-handling environments" (if he transitions to a secondary scoring role, his defensive and shooting weaknesses would be amplified).

3. Historical Positioning and Future Expectations


Cross-Comparison:
vs. Trae Young: Young is more driven by scoring instinct, but his efficiency plummeted; Cunningham is more well-rounded. 帕克 believes Young is still slightly better.
vs. Fellow Rookies: Far exceeds Jalen Green (a "resource black hole"), but doesn't possess the talent of Mobley or Bronzes.
Upside Debate:
魔封波: Believes he can become a "multi-year All-Star core", comparing him to a younger version of Middleton.
胖迪: Cautiously believes he's a "28% usage rate player, not a 35% super-nucleus," and he may expose his weaknesses in the playoffs.
Expert Predictions Revisited: ESPN early on consistently saw him as a "draft-and-bust + point guard skills" model; the 2025 rebound validated this view; the guests admitted they initially underestimated his adaptability.

4. Core Conclusions


Ranking Criteria: All three guests agreed that Cunningham would be in the top 5 (魔封波 #3, 帕克 & 胖迪 #4), the core disagreement being "stats volume" versus "playoff ceiling."
Key Question:

Is he a product of system advantages, or is he a core that's been hampered by the environment?"
—帕克, comparing him to Harden during his Rockets years, warning about the risk of being a "regular-season star, playoff dud".

Future Variables: If the Pistons maintain a flexible roster and add a secondary scoring threat, he could realize his potential; otherwise, he could revert to efficiency debates.

Guest Quotes

魔封波:
Cunningham proved one thing: in modern basketball, the ability to draw defensive attention is more important than forcing a tough shot
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胖迪:
Last year I gave him 7 points (based on a basketball player performance index system, which indicates high-performance starter), this year the stats is scaring me – but 26+9 assists in an offensive explosion era is a steal.

帕克:
He's like a programmed AI: ball-handling fed to 30% output, but no emergency plan when the power goes out.


Summary: Cunningham's 2025 rebound reshaped his reputation, but skeptics remain focused on his potential upside and playoff performance. He's a prime example of "organization over individual" in the new basketball logic, and one of the most debated players on the list.
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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#2 » by Phenomenonsense » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:30 pm

Interesting opinions. I wonder how they feel about the "eye-test" versus stats, and how much they value these ideas.
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Post#3 » by the_l_train » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:30 pm

BSD wrote: Strengths:
Rarity of the Model: His height (over 6’10” as a point guard) provides a mismatch advantage, and his passing vision is excellent (averaging 9 assists confirms this).


?????

Made me go double check his height…
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Post#4 » by jaredtyshaf » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:35 pm

Cade is 6'8" with shoes IIRC.

He pretty much has to be our cornerstone with how much $$$ we paid him. I think what he showed last year made a strong case for him being that.

His next step needs to be becoming stronger with the ball. He really struggled with physical defensive pressure and aggressive traps. He is so smooth and fluid when he is dictating the pace, but seemed to make a lot of bad decisions against physical defenses,
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Post#5 » by flow » Thu Aug 14, 2025 5:38 pm

jaredtyshaf wrote:Cade is 6'8" with shoes IIRC.

He pretty much has to be our cornerstone with how much $$$ we paid him. I think what he showed last year made a strong case for him being that.

His next step needs to be becoming stronger with the ball. He really struggled with physical defensive pressure and aggressive traps. He is so smooth and fluid when he is dictating the pace, but seemed to make a lot of bad decisions against physical defenses,


Yep. If he hasn't devoted a good portion of his summer to working on his handle & strengthening his hands, I'll be disappointed.

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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#6 » by BSD » Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:42 am

Phenomenonsense wrote:Interesting opinions. I wonder how they feel about the "eye-test" versus stats, and how much they value these ideas.
Apologies for omitting the background on those three analysts. Though none work in basketball professionally, they’re deeply knowledgeable about NBA analysis and rank among China’s top five basketball content accounts. However, as non-Pistons fans, they prioritize statistical consistency over nuanced details – sometimes at the cost of relevance.
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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#7 » by BSD » Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:48 am

the_l_train wrote:
BSD wrote: Strengths:
Rarity of the Model: His height (over 6’10” as a point guard) provides a mismatch advantage, and his passing vision is excellent (averaging 9 assists confirms this).


?????

Made me go double check his height…
My bad! That meters-to-feet conversion was definitely a typo. Would’ve missed it too — as a Chinese guy, I don’t know wtf feet even are
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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#8 » by Invictus88 » Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:12 pm

BSD wrote:
the_l_train wrote:
BSD wrote: Strengths:
Rarity of the Model: His height (over 6’10” as a point guard) provides a mismatch advantage, and his passing vision is excellent (averaging 9 assists confirms this).


?????

Made me go double check his height…
My bad! That meters-to-feet conversion was definitely a typo. Would’ve missed it too — as a Chinese guy, I don’t know wtf feet even are


Guys. We went through this during the offseason prior to drafting him. We already concluded that he was 4'6" on 3 inch lift insoles inside his tennis shoes. Sheesh!
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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#9 » by whitehops » Fri Aug 15, 2025 6:41 pm

BSD wrote:My bad! That meters-to-feet conversion was definitely a typo. Would’ve missed it too — as a Chinese guy, I don’t know wtf feet even are


canada is weird so sometimes i forget how most countries solely use metric and a couple solely use imperial. canada is "officially" metric but there are weird exceptions so we kind of get used to the conversions naturally.

examples: we pretty much always use celsius to measure temperature, EXCEPT when it comes to heating pools/hot tubs. pretty much everything we weigh (groceries, elevator limits, etc.) is in grams/kilos EXCEPT when weighing people where we use pounds. we measure distance in metric (all of our signs use kilometers/kilometers per hour) EXCEPT when we measure our height we use feet/inches. from the little construction work i've done they use feet/inches too.

i'll respond to the actual topic in this thread later, just thought i'd point out a funny thing i just noticed how my country arbitrarily decided to use whatever measuring system they want.
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Post#10 » by MrBigShot » Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:30 pm

I'm a huge believer in Cade and think he can be a top ~6-8 player in the league. Best attribute he has is that he's got a got a great head on shoulders, and that gives me confidence that he will continue to improve.

He is a better athlete than a lot of people give him credit for, and his size/length allow him to get good looks in the paint. Most crucial area of improvement is cutting down on dumb turnovers and taking care of the ball when pressured. Schroeder took a lot of pressure off of him in the 4th quarters last year, but Cade will need to be the guy closing out games for us.
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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#11 » by BSD » Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:00 am

whitehops wrote:
BSD wrote:My bad! That meters-to-feet conversion was definitely a typo. Would’ve missed it too — as a Chinese guy, I don’t know wtf feet even are


canada is weird so sometimes i forget how most countries solely use metric and a couple solely use imperial. canada is "officially" metric but there are weird exceptions so we kind of get used to the conversions naturally.

examples: we pretty much always use celsius to measure temperature, EXCEPT when it comes to heating pools/hot tubs. pretty much everything we weigh (groceries, elevator limits, etc.) is in grams/kilos EXCEPT when weighing people where we use pounds. we measure distance in metric (all of our signs use kilometers/kilometers per hour) EXCEPT when we measure our height we use feet/inches. from the little construction work i've done they use feet/inches too.

i'll respond to the actual topic in this thread later, just thought i'd point out a funny thing i just noticed how my country arbitrarily decided to use whatever measuring system they want.
So it's not about conversion skills, but dual-concept fluency? Like instantly seeing '6'7"' as a person's height, not numbers to calculate. That's actually a wild cultural superpower!
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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#12 » by jaredtyshaf » Sun Aug 17, 2025 9:14 pm

flow wrote:
jaredtyshaf wrote:Cade is 6'8" with shoes IIRC.

He pretty much has to be our cornerstone with how much $$$ we paid him. I think what he showed last year made a strong case for him being that.

His next step needs to be becoming stronger with the ball. He really struggled with physical defensive pressure and aggressive traps. He is so smooth and fluid when he is dictating the pace, but seemed to make a lot of bad decisions against physical defenses,


If he improves that aspect of his game he will potentially be a top 5 player


Yep. If he hasn't devoted a good portion of his summer to working on his handle & strengthening his hands, I'll be disappointed.

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Re: Cade Cunningham: A Deep Dive into the Debate 

Post#13 » by bstein14 » Tue Aug 19, 2025 1:15 pm

It certainly feels like Cade has locked up being a "perennial all-star" and top 20 player each year for a while moving forward.... The real question now is, does he end up being a super-star in this league or does he kind of stall out just outside the top 10. It'll be interesting to see if he can take another decent sized step forward this season because if he can he likely cements himself up there as a top 10 guy and young superstar in the league.


Would love for him to move himself into top 10 player tier two behind the Giannis, SGA, Jokic tier. That next group is kind of wide open a bit with some players aging out (KD, LeBron, Curry, etc).... some players injured (Tatum, Embiid, etc) and some younger players looking to push their way in.

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