Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Klomp]

I don't think that's been confirmed has it?

I haven't heard or seen it confirmed by anyone else. Shrink normally knows his ****. Shrink inform us please.

Klomp’s correct that it isn’t confirmed. All anyone has seen is “three years, $100 mil.”

Most of the speculation was that this contract would be immediately tradeable, because it didn’t include a big enough increase over the previous salary to demand a December 15th CBA trade deadline, and it didn’t include big enough raises to also mandate the December 15th restriction. Because this info hasn't been released, maybe to help Randle’s reputation, different sites are reporting it differently.

I think the bolded is only speculative, though.

Spotrac has it down as the normal 8% raises, and they aren't saying it's "estimated" as they do initially, which leads me to believe that what they are reporting is correct.

[KGdaBom]

I haven't heard or seen it confirmed by anyone else. Shrink normally knows his ****. Shrink inform us please.

Klomp’s correct that it isn’t confirmed. All anyone has seen is “three years, $100 mil.”

Most of the speculation was that this contract would be immediately tradeable, because it didn’t include a big enough increase over the previous salary to demand a December 15th CBA trade deadline, and it didn’t include big enough raises to also mandate the December 15th restriction. Because this info hasn't been released, maybe to help Randle’s reputation, different sites are reporting it differently.

I think the bolded is only speculative, though.

Spotrac has it down as the normal 8% raises, and they aren't saying it's "estimated" as they do initially, which leads me to believe that what they are reporting is correct.

So earliest tradable date is Dec 15th?

[Klomp]

Klomp’s correct that it isn’t confirmed. All anyone has seen is “three years, $100 mil.”

Most of the speculation was that this contract would be immediately tradeable, because it didn’t include a big enough increase over the previous salary to demand a December 15th CBA trade deadline, and it didn’t include big enough raises to also mandate the December 15th restriction. Because this info hasn't been released, maybe to help Randle’s reputation, different sites are reporting it differently.

I think the bolded is only speculative, though.

Spotrac has it down as the normal 8% raises, and they aren't saying it's "estimated" as they do initially, which leads me to believe that what they are reporting is correct.

So earliest tradable date is Dec 15th?

That's what Spotrac is sayng, and I haven't personally seen anything else definitive enough to think otherwise.

[KGdaBom]

I think the bolded is only speculative, though.

Spotrac has it down as the normal 8% raises, and they aren't saying it's "estimated" as they do initially, which leads me to believe that what they are reporting is correct.

So earliest tradable date is Dec 15th?

That's what Spotrac is sayng, and I haven't personally seen anything else definitive enough to think otherwise.

I'm glad. Personally I think the detriment of Randle wanting to be traded or the team wanting to trade him outweighs the benefit of being able to do so.

[winforlose]

"How does this trade do that?"

In my proposed trade, we lose Randle, DDV, Rob, and Miller. Miller is a lost cause. I'm not a huge believer in Rob...as a starter on a championship caliber team. I think he ends up a nice backup PG and has a nice, lengthy career. DDV is a very good player on a very good contract. No doubt. But TSJ will thrive taking his minutes. Randle can ball, but he kills all offensive flow. I have no problem with Naz starting.

To me, Garland/Ant/Jaden/Naz/Rudy is a major improvement along with 2nd unit. TSJ 6th man. Mike plays 15 minutes a game. Also gives us depth off bench. You guys act like Miami was terrible last year. Highsmith and JJJr played 20+ minutes. Mike/TSJ/Jamie/Highsmith/JB is a solid 2nd unit.

Who knows, Highsmith might become available at some point as a waived or bought out player. Not sure we want him, but since you were discussing acquiring him, I figured it was worth pointing out.

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[BlacJacMac]

"How does this trade do that?"

In my proposed trade, we lose Randle, DDV, Rob, and Miller. Miller is a lost cause. I'm not a huge believer in Rob...as a starter on a championship caliber team. I think he ends up a nice backup PG and has a nice, lengthy career. DDV is a very good player on a very good contract. No doubt. But TSJ will thrive taking his minutes. Randle can ball, but he kills all offensive flow. I have no problem with Naz starting.

To me, Garland/Ant/Jaden/Naz/Rudy is a major improvement along with 2nd unit. TSJ 6th man. Mike plays 15 minutes a game. Also gives us depth off bench. You guys act like Miami was terrible last year. Highsmith and JJJr played 20+ minutes. Mike/TSJ/Jamie/Highsmith/JB is a solid 2nd unit.

Who knows, Highsmith might become available at some point as a waived or bought out player. Not sure we want him, but since you were discussing acquiring him, I figured it was worth pointing out.

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Funny. Highsmith was rumored to be "off the table" in a Durant trade.

I guess his contract and recent injury changed their mind.

Highsmith underwent surgery just last week to repair a torn meniscus he suffered during the offseason.

[winforlose]

"How does this trade do that?"

In my proposed trade, we lose Randle, DDV, Rob, and Miller. Miller is a lost cause. I'm not a huge believer in Rob...as a starter on a championship caliber team. I think he ends up a nice backup PG and has a nice, lengthy career. DDV is a very good player on a very good contract. No doubt. But TSJ will thrive taking his minutes. Randle can ball, but he kills all offensive flow. I have no problem with Naz starting.

To me, Garland/Ant/Jaden/Naz/Rudy is a major improvement along with 2nd unit. TSJ 6th man. Mike plays 15 minutes a game. Also gives us depth off bench. You guys act like Miami was terrible last year. Highsmith and JJJr played 20+ minutes. Mike/TSJ/Jamie/Highsmith/JB is a solid 2nd unit.

Who knows, Highsmith might become available at some point as a waived or bought out player. Not sure we want him, but since you were discussing acquiring him, I figured it was worth pointing out.

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Funny. Highsmith was rumored to be "off the table" in a Durant trade.

I guess his contract and recent injury changed their mind.

Highsmith underwent surgery just last week to repair a torn meniscus he suffered during the offseason.

I totally missed that in the world of sports news. On the trade board they said this moved Miami very close to the tax line. It is probably move 1 of 2. But his injury is a great justification for the dump.

[minimus]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

[KGdaBom]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

Brogdon.

[BlacJacMac]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

Brogdon.

Brogdon is unsigned.

Or do you think he's going to sign with a bad team and then be traded to us at the deadline?

[NebWolvesFan]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

Brogdon.

Brogdon is unsigned.

Or do you think he's going to sign with a bad team and then be traded to us at t5he deadline?

I think he's one of the 8-10 free agents who are hoping GSW throw them a lifeline after they sign Kuminga. The Warriors will need 4-5 players and lots of guys including Lyles and Brogdon hope GSW gives them a good deal and a good role on the team.

Once the JK situation ends, I think we will see a bunch of signings.

[KGdaBom]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

Brogdon.

Brogdon is unsigned.

Or do you think he's going to sign with a bad team and then be traded to us at the deadline?

I'm not fully cognizant of all the rules and regulations. All I know is I would like to sign him or can't we do that?

[BlacJacMac]

Brogdon.

Brogdon is unsigned.

Or do you think he's going to sign with a bad team and then be traded to us at the deadline?

I'm not fully cognizant of all the rules and regulations. All I know is I would like to sign him or can't we do that?

We can sign him - if he'll take the vet minimum.

Would be quite a drop from the 22.5M he made each of the last 3 years.

[Klomp]

We can sign him - if he'll take the vet minimum.

Would be quite a drop from the 22.5M he made each of the last 3 years.

Which is likely the real reason why we've seen no movement on him from any team. I have a suspicion he's holding off in hopes that higher offers than the ones he's currently received will come in.

[BlacJacMac]

We can sign him - if he'll take the vet minimum.

Would be quite a drop from the 22.5M he made each of the last 3 years.

Which is likely the real reason why we've seen no movement on him from any team. I have a suspicion he's holding off in hopes that higher offers than the ones he's currently received will come in.

I can't imagine someone won't give him at least part of the MLE.

[KGdaBom]

We can sign him - if he'll take the vet minimum.

Would be quite a drop from the 22.5M he made each of the last 3 years.

Which is likely the real reason why we've seen no movement on him from any team. I have a suspicion he's holding off in hopes that higher offers than the ones he's currently received will come in.

I can't imagine someone won't give him at least part of the MLE.

I can imagine it, but that's probably wishful thinking. Go Wolves.

[Klomp]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

There are a few complicating factors.

I'm fairly certain we still cannot aggregate this season. (we are close enough to where we should be able to next offseason, however). So that limits the kind of candidates we are able to go after.

[Klomp]

Who can be the next Conley, NAW for MIN? I mean who TC can target in rebuilding team who struggle to find role and minutes in their current team?

If we are looking for teams who would be interested in Randle, I think it's important to look at teams that want to win (or at least not be terrible). So teams likely to tank probably should not be considered, especially after Randle signed his new deal.

A few possibilities of teams to monitor:
Charlotte: Are they ever going to try to go in on winning like Detroit did last year?
Chicago: Always seem to be a mid team, with ownership that isn't interested in a tank. Still have a collection of guards that could garner some interest.
Memphis: This is one I'm personally monitoring, as I see Randle as a good culture fit there. And while not technically a true PG, I could see KCP as a deadline target.
Miami: I don't personally like much of what they have to offer, but they usually stay competitive and aggressive.
New Orleans: ZERO incentive to tank. You could argue Randle could be a "mentor" for Derik Queen. Dejounte Murray works, but that doesn't really help us this year.
Phoenix: I don't really get what they're doing, but they don't really have much for PFs on the roster.
Toronto: Another one of those weird teams that's always mid, but I don't see much of interest.

[KGdaBom]

If we were to just sign somebody rather than trade for somebody are we maxed out at vet minimum and anything more will suffer significant salary cap implications? Or is it we're not even allowed to go over the vet minimum?

[Klomp]

If we were to just sign somebody rather than trade for somebody are we maxed out at vet minimum and anything more will suffer significant salary cap implications? Or is it we're not even allowed to go over the vet minimum?

We have the taxpayer MLE available, but I believe it puts us dangerously close to the second apron (if not slightly over?).