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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#21 » by Netaman » Sat Aug 2, 2025 3:33 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Nets are in desperate need of high end talent. The 26 draft is loaded with start level talent. We just need some luck to get a top 3 pick next year and then we can be in business.

If not, we don't have our pick in 27. I think we have to look at making a trade or free agency. We can only be so bad for so long.


there's pretty much no such thing as a team in a rebuild that isn't "in desperate need of high end talent". that is why you rebuild and what the purpose is. heck there are plenty of pseudo contenders who fit the description of "desperate for high end talent" (MIL, PHI, etc).

everyone wanted a rebuild, that's what this is. that's what last year was. this year should be more interesting because they will be playing their young first round picks instead of g-leaguers but the results won't be much different. maybe a little better maybe a little worse.

need hope they get luckier in the lotto but that's out of their control. i suspect they will be engaged in trade market if there's an opportunity to get a player of the right age that fits at a value that makes sense. if SAS and Fox end up separating because Harper takes over that role, that could be something that makes sense for both sides at the trade deadline. or they could end up selling more with MPJ/Claxton. they are in a rebuild so time doesn't really matter yet, development does and maximizing assets does.
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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#22 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Aug 6, 2025 2:56 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Nets are in desperate need of high end talent. The 26 draft is loaded with start level talent. We just need some luck to get a top 3 pick next year and then we can be in business.

If not, we don't have our pick in 27. I think we have to look at making a trade or free agency. We can only be so bad for so long.


there's pretty much no such thing as a team in a rebuild that isn't "in desperate need of high end talent". that is why you rebuild and what the purpose is. heck there are plenty of pseudo contenders who fit the description of "desperate for high end talent" (MIL, PHI, etc).

everyone wanted a rebuild, that's what this is. that's what last year was. this year should be more interesting because they will be playing their young first round picks instead of g-leaguers but the results won't be much different. maybe a little better maybe a little worse.

need hope they get luckier in the lotto but that's out of their control. i suspect they will be engaged in trade market if there's an opportunity to get a player of the right age that fits at a value that makes sense. if SAS and Fox end up separating because Harper takes over that role, that could be something that makes sense for both sides at the trade deadline. or they could end up selling more with MPJ/Claxton. they are in a rebuild so time doesn't really matter yet, development does and maximizing assets does.


Almost every team has far more talent then we do.

Our best player is who?

Cam Thomas if hes even on the team. Who else has a player that bad as their best guy? Maybe the Wizards? Thats about it.
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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#23 » by Netaman » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:28 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Nets are in desperate need of high end talent. The 26 draft is loaded with start level talent. We just need some luck to get a top 3 pick next year and then we can be in business.

If not, we don't have our pick in 27. I think we have to look at making a trade or free agency. We can only be so bad for so long.


there's pretty much no such thing as a team in a rebuild that isn't "in desperate need of high end talent". that is why you rebuild and what the purpose is. heck there are plenty of pseudo contenders who fit the description of "desperate for high end talent" (MIL, PHI, etc).

everyone wanted a rebuild, that's what this is. that's what last year was. this year should be more interesting because they will be playing their young first round picks instead of g-leaguers but the results won't be much different. maybe a little better maybe a little worse.

need hope they get luckier in the lotto but that's out of their control. i suspect they will be engaged in trade market if there's an opportunity to get a player of the right age that fits at a value that makes sense. if SAS and Fox end up separating because Harper takes over that role, that could be something that makes sense for both sides at the trade deadline. or they could end up selling more with MPJ/Claxton. they are in a rebuild so time doesn't really matter yet, development does and maximizing assets does.


Almost every team has far more talent then we do.

Our best player is who?

Cam Thomas if hes even on the team. Who else has a player that bad as their best guy? Maybe the Wizards? Thats about it.


How is that any different than last year? Or any time since KD traded? Or any time before KD signed here in the first place?

this is also what it looked like in those kenny atkinson days everyone pines for. who was their best player back then? DLo? MPJ is more talented than CamJ, debatably more talented than Bridges too. Last 2 years you may not find 2 more comparable statistical players, that's why they make the same $/year.

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none of this is meant to prop up the nets, they are rebuilding/recycling present day value for future value like the Denver 2032 pick. this is what rebuilding looks like when the ping pong balls don't go your way.
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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#24 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Aug 8, 2025 4:23 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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there's pretty much no such thing as a team in a rebuild that isn't "in desperate need of high end talent". that is why you rebuild and what the purpose is. heck there are plenty of pseudo contenders who fit the description of "desperate for high end talent" (MIL, PHI, etc).

everyone wanted a rebuild, that's what this is. that's what last year was. this year should be more interesting because they will be playing their young first round picks instead of g-leaguers but the results won't be much different. maybe a little better maybe a little worse.

need hope they get luckier in the lotto but that's out of their control. i suspect they will be engaged in trade market if there's an opportunity to get a player of the right age that fits at a value that makes sense. if SAS and Fox end up separating because Harper takes over that role, that could be something that makes sense for both sides at the trade deadline. or they could end up selling more with MPJ/Claxton. they are in a rebuild so time doesn't really matter yet, development does and maximizing assets does.


Almost every team has far more talent then we do.

Our best player is who?

Cam Thomas if hes even on the team. Who else has a player that bad as their best guy? Maybe the Wizards? Thats about it.


How is that any different than last year? Or any time since KD traded? Or any time before KD signed here in the first place?

this is also what it looked like in those kenny atkinson days everyone pines for. who was their best player back then? DLo? MPJ is more talented than CamJ, debatably more talented than Bridges too. Last 2 years you may not find 2 more comparable statistical players, that's why they make the same $/year.

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none of this is meant to prop up the nets, they are rebuilding/recycling present day value for future value like the Denver 2032 pick. this is what rebuilding looks like when the ping pong balls don't go your way.


D Lo back then was way better than anyone on this roster lol.
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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#25 » by Netaman » Sat Aug 9, 2025 2:08 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:D Lo back then was way better than anyone on this roster lol.


not really actually, expectations were just way different and there's a lot of jaded memories because of that.

year 1 here he missed half the year and only scored 16ppg with flat out bad shooting numbers (41% overall and 32% from 3). Forget anyone else rostered now, Dinwiddie was the better player at that time. cam thomas ts% each of the last 3 years have already each been better than DLo's breakout 4th year. cam has never been higher than 2.5 to/g and was under 2 in his best year 2 seasons ago. So he has been both a more efficient scorer and higher volume. Both were negatives on D. DLo's 4th year breakout was nice and he was always a better distributor, but it is highly debatable whether that single season was better than a good MPJ season or cam thomas' when he's averaging a more efficient 24+/3/3. DLo was worth 5 win shares in 2018-19, Porter has been worth 6+ the last 2 seasons and in 3 of his 4 seasons of play as a starter.

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clearly none of these guys are/were standout high end starters which is why i said it's all deabateable, but it is definitely not debatable that through 3 seasons including his first in Brooklymn, DLo was simply not better than MPJ or CamT is right now. it took that breakout season just to get into the conversation and i think it's a conversation he still loses because Porter has just been a better player.

Which is why a championship team paid MPJ a lot more than any team has ever paid Dlo.
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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#26 » by Decipher » Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:17 pm

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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#27 » by Netaman » Fri Aug 15, 2025 9:51 pm

pretty sure this is a minor heat salary dump, highsmith is injured so who knows if he plays but he always seemed like an interesting 3/d type kind of like royce/dfs. looks like we traded a fake 2nd round pick with the protections and gained back a possibly real 2nd to take on the money unless im misunderstanding?

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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#28 » by Karate Diop » Sat Aug 16, 2025 3:57 am

Eh he's 28 years old... Not likely a part of the future, seems a bit steep for a single second, but the market is wacky now so maybe I'm out of touch...
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Post#29 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat Aug 16, 2025 10:49 pm

I like the asset play, a contender might pay us a 2nd for him at the deadline. So, we would be adding value on both ends.
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Post#30 » by One_and_Done » Sun Aug 17, 2025 12:28 am

Looking further ahead, who exactly are the Nets targeting in 2026 free agency?
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Re: Looking ahead (Post draft thread) 

Post#31 » by Netaman » Mon Aug 18, 2025 1:43 pm

One_and_Done wrote:Looking further ahead, who exactly are the Nets targeting in 2026 free agency?


nothing that obvious out there unless giannis or garland hit trade block. hard to see nets being a fit for giannis timeline wise. garland could be a fit if cleveland and him decide it's best to move on. that cleveland roster is already expensive and in future years it only gets more expensive, but this season may be their best chance to go somewhere with east wide open.

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