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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1921 » by Hal14 » Fri Aug 15, 2025 7:10 pm

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All Simons has to do is learn to/start playing defense.

Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.

It says here he's 200 lbs

https://www.nba.com/player/1629014/anfernee-simons

This isn't wrestling, boxing or football. Weight matters in basketball, but not nearly as much as you're implying it does. If you add too much weight, then you're not going to be as quick..and lateral quickness is very important for defense - especially a guard defender..lateral quickness is probably the most important thing to have. Simons has good lateral quickness.

Wemby, Chet are skinny as hell and amazing defenders. Herb Jones and jaden McDaniels are pretty skinny, so is Dyson Daniels and Alex Caruso. Caruso is 6'5", 185 lbs but is arguably the best guard defender in the past decade.

Also, wingspan helps quite a bit with defense:

Simons: 6'9" wingspan
Pritchard: 6'4" wingspan

Also, if he's IT 2.0, that could be a good thing. IT when healthy was an MVP candidate.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1922 » by 31to6 » Fri Aug 15, 2025 8:36 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
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All Simons has to do is learn to/start playing defense.

Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.

It says here he's 200 lbs

https://www.nba.com/player/1629014/anfernee-simons

This isn't wrestling, boxing or football. Weight matters in basketball, but not nearly as much as you're implying it does. If you add too much weight, then you're not going to be as quick..and lateral quickness is very important for defense - especially a guard defender..lateral quickness is probably the most important thing to have. Simons has good lateral quickness.

Wemby, Chet are skinny as hell and amazing defenders. Herb Jones and jaden McDaniels are pretty skinny, so is Dyson Daniels and Alex Caruso. Caruso is 6'5", 185 lbs but is arguably the best guard defender in the past decade.

Also, wingspan helps quite a bit with defense:

Simons: 6'9" wingspan
Pritchard: 6'4" wingspan

Also, if he's IT 2.0, that could be a good thing. IT when healthy was an MVP candidate.


In response to Celts17, I don't know if Simons ever thought he should pick up his defense, but there's a real possibility he'd be more open to the thought now that he's playing for his next contract. And older. Lots of us -- myself included -- probably didn't really "get" or get INTO defense until we were a bit older.

I'm not saying it will happen, but it could.
Pritchard is an example of someone who has turned that aspect of his game from a presumed weakness into an underappreciated strength.
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Post#1923 » by return2glory » Sat Aug 16, 2025 12:43 am

Not once I've heard anyone say KP has to learn to rebound. Yet a lot of people are on Simons for not playing defense. He probably won't be here more than 4 months into the season. Let it go people.
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Post#1924 » by Larry_Russell » Sat Aug 16, 2025 1:28 am

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Celts17Pride wrote:
31to6 wrote:
All Simons has to do is learn to/start playing defense.

Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.

It says here he's 200 lbs

https://www.nba.com/player/1629014/anfernee-simons

This isn't wrestling, boxing or football. Weight matters in basketball, but not nearly as much as you're implying it does. If you add too much weight, then you're not going to be as quick..and lateral quickness is very important for defense - especially a guard defender..lateral quickness is probably the most important thing to have. Simons has good lateral quickness.

Wemby, Chet are skinny as hell and amazing defenders. Herb Jones and jaden McDaniels are pretty skinny, so is Dyson Daniels and Alex Caruso. Caruso is 6'5", 185 lbs but is arguably the best guard defender in the past decade.

Also, wingspan helps quite a bit with defense:

Simons: 6'9" wingspan
Pritchard: 6'4" wingspan

Also, if he's IT 2.0, that could be a good thing. IT when healthy was an MVP candidate.



Is this the 100th time you posted about his wingspan?

Simons sucks. Deal.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1925 » by Fierce1 » Sat Aug 16, 2025 1:32 am

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Celts17Pride wrote:Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.

It says here he's 200 lbs

https://www.nba.com/player/1629014/anfernee-simons

This isn't wrestling, boxing or football. Weight matters in basketball, but not nearly as much as you're implying it does. If you add too much weight, then you're not going to be as quick..and lateral quickness is very important for defense - especially a guard defender..lateral quickness is probably the most important thing to have. Simons has good lateral quickness.

Wemby, Chet are skinny as hell and amazing defenders. Herb Jones and jaden McDaniels are pretty skinny, so is Dyson Daniels and Alex Caruso. Caruso is 6'5", 185 lbs but is arguably the best guard defender in the past decade.

Also, wingspan helps quite a bit with defense:

Simons: 6'9" wingspan
Pritchard: 6'4" wingspan

Also, if he's IT 2.0, that could be a good thing. IT when healthy was an MVP candidate.



Is this the 100th time you posted about his wingspan?

Simons sucks. Deal.

You made me laugh, man! :lol:

I mean what's the 100th Jaylen Brown trade proposal?
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Post#1926 » by GreenBlooded » Sat Aug 16, 2025 1:25 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
31to6 wrote:
All Simons has to do is learn to/start playing defense.

Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.


That's silly. Avery Bradley was 6'3'' 180 and a phenomenal defender.
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Post#1927 » by Parliament10 » Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:31 pm

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31to6 wrote:
All Simons has to do is learn to/start playing defense.

Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.


That's silly. Avery Bradley was 6'3'' 180 and a phenomenal defender.

Payton Pritchard has straight Tenacity. Some players go beyond their measurements.
Dennis Rodman comes to mind.

Rodman's biography on the official NBA website states that he is "arguably the best rebounding forward in NBA history".
Pritchard himself, must be way up the All-Time Charts as a Defensive PG, off the Bench.
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Post#1928 » by Fierce1 » Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:42 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Not that easy. Pritchard 195 lbs, Simons 180 lbs. Simons doesn't have the build to stop anyone. IT 2.0

Simons has been in the league 7 years, you think all during that time he hasn't said "I need to pick up my defense"? It's not that Simons doesn't want to, he is physical incapable of stopping anyone.


That's silly. Avery Bradley was 6'3'' 180 and a phenomenal defender.

Payton Pritchard has straight Tenacity. Some players go beyond their measurements.
Dennis Rodman comes to mind.

Rodman's biography on the official NBA website states that he is "arguably the best rebounding forward in NBA history".
Pritchard himself, must be way up the All-Time Charts as a Defensive PG, off the Bench.

Spot on.

Defense is more tenacity than size.

PP is not very big but some opposing players were surprised how tough it was to post-up PP.
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Exhibit 10 makes sense. He can shoot the 3, but he's not NBA level.

He's a Wing, but played PG at times in Maine last Season.
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Post#1932 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Aug 16, 2025 5:19 pm

Atlanta Hawks have signed N'Faly Dante to a 2 yr $4.5 million offer sheet. Dante was on a 2-way for the Rockets last year and Houston has rights to match this contract. I believe this is the first time an NBA team has targeted another team's 2-way free agent and offered them an NBA contract. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often, it's a bit of a blind spot in the present system, and it's one of the reasons I advocate signing second round picks to roster contracts.

The worst thing that can happen to a 2nd round pick, is he plays well in the G on a 2-way, and after his rookie season another team offers your 2-way a full roster contract more rich than a rookie contract as Atlanta has done with Dante here.

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Post#1933 » by darrendaye » Sat Aug 16, 2025 6:21 pm

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This is an interesting point. How many post up options do we have on this roster?



None, which is another flaw eith the rosters construction

We had Horf, KP and ideally tatum posting up

Horford had 44 post ups last year. For context Jrue Holiday had 38. Saying Horford posting up was a significant part of the Celtics offense is just not based on reality. You know who posted up a lot ? Jaylen Brown, 152 times at 1.06PPP, which is both higher volume an efficiency than Jayson Tatum (142 times at 1.05PPP) and any one else on the roster apart from Porzinigis.


I was on the fence about getting into this one. Appreciate providing data. Brown was going to be one of the guys I threw out, this makes the case pretty strong. And I'd be bold enough to say, without data, that while times will be tough with him defensively, Garza is going to eat a lot when posting guards in mismatches if this offense is capable of still doing that.
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Post#1934 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Aug 16, 2025 6:33 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
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This is an interesting point. How many post up options do we have on this roster?



None, which is another flaw eith the rosters construction

We had Horf, KP and ideally tatum posting up

Horford had 44 post ups last year. For context Jrue Holiday had 38. Saying Horford posting up was a significant part of the Celtics offense is just not based on reality. You know who posted up a lot ? Jaylen Brown, 152 times at 1.06PPP, which is both higher volume an efficiency than Jayson Tatum (142 times at 1.05PPP) and any one else on the roster apart from Porzinigis.

Yea, for real. I love Horford as a Celtic, but if you look at his first Celtics' season as a 30 yr old, he averaged 2.2 FTA per 36 and shot 30% of his shots as 3PTAs. As a 38 yr old last year, Al shot 68% of his attempts from three and averaged 0.8 FTA per 36. By last year, Horf was hardly operating on the block.

A younger big is going to have the legs to attack the basket a lot more, is going to generate a lot more FTs, and is just gonna be more in the mix in the paint. As happened to basically every NBA frontcourt player, as Al got older he got moved out further away from the basket. To the point, that by last year, Al had basically aged all the way out to the 3pt line.
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Post#1935 » by Dogen » Sat Aug 16, 2025 6:35 pm

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It's either a win/win or a lose/lose. Or maybe a meh/meh. Definitely one of those.

Seriously though, if the worst thing that happens is he plays this season and Brad can't find a taker his money (Jrue's money) comes off the books and that's not the end of the world. What's more likely to happen IMO is he'll get traded for a meh return that won't amount to much more than him coming off the books but will give us a little more flexibility, like a long shot prospect and an exception or something. So definitely a win/win... or a lose/lose... or something.


Bad-Thomas, that's what we're here for, to "ignite discussion". And in the dog days of August, the Simons status is about all we got in terms of debatable topics -- will he be traded, and when, and will he start, will he play defense, etc.

The team brass has bigger fish to fry with new ownership and all. I agree with you both, it's fine to go into the season with Simons, see what we have in him. Does he want to play D and increase his skill and value? Is he ok with a 6th man role? If a good deal comes up in September where he is moveable for a better contract, fine. If he plays well, but a deal comes up by the deadline, that's fine. If he plays through the season and comes off the books, that's not such a bad outcome. If he plays through the season, he's happy with his role, and the Celtics want to keep him, he could sign for a friendly deal and become a valuable spark plug off the bench -- the kind of player the Celtics have needed at an affordable contract.

So I assume Brad is willing to play the long game here. The main basketball related argument I've heard against Simons, aside from the defense, is that he'll be just good enough to lower our draft odds, but as I'd prefer to remain competitive. A re-signed Simons at a good contact would likely be more valuable in 2026-27 than any rookie outside the top of the lottery anyway.


'twas I who said I wasn't looking to reignite discussion, because there'd been about 4 pages of Simons takes not long prior, and I perhaps felt bashful about not managing to build off of what anyone had said there. But we all know how it goes here: you might write the most compelling argument ever on page 47, and by page 48 it's all being discussed anew again. So it is here with Simons.

All Simons has to do is learn to/start playing defense. If he does, keep him. If not, he's the latest Ricky Davis/Todd Day/Wally Szerbiak (not going to look up how to spell it I know there were at least half a dozen more consonants in there:)

But wait! Pritchard winning 6th man of the year while being paid $6.7M in the first year of 4/$30 is a valuable spark plug off the bench on an affordable contract. I demand satisfaction good sir;)


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I think this discussion will keep percolate until (or if) we see Simons on the floor in a Celtics uniform. The Celtic youtuber jounalists circle back to the topic every few days, too.

And the longer his status issue drags on, the more I am warming up to at least seeing him do his thing with the current roster with an eye to having him resigned if it works out. It's probably going to be up to him. If he's good, many other teams will be interested in his services after this season, albeit not at his current rate.

For Celtics fans, we lost a beloved championship level player in Jrue, even if he is aging and has a ballooning contract. People hope to get something back for him, and Simons is the chip that Brad has to play this round.

If Simons plays through the year and all the team has to show for it is the resultant draft position and available salary cap, I'm fine with it, as that was always a possibility. If he's traded for smaller contract with value, that's better still. And if he proves many here wrong, shows development as a player to augment his existing skills, and expresses interest in continuing as supporting cast to our main core, that's the outcome I'm most interested in.

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Post#1936 » by 165bows » Sat Aug 16, 2025 7:20 pm

I’ve posted up as much as Horford the last couple years.
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Post#1937 » by darrendaye » Sat Aug 16, 2025 7:53 pm

165bows wrote:I’ve posted up as much as Horford the last couple years.


But probably not as much as Mrs. Horford, Amelia Vega. 5 KIDS!
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Post#1938 » by jfs1000d » Sat Aug 16, 2025 8:19 pm

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Exhibit 10 makes sense. He can shoot the 3, but he's not NBA level.

He's a Wing, but played PG at times in Maine last Season.
He really should be on a Two-Way.

NBA hardest league in the world to make. Harper is an nba caliber player. But, he isn't anything special. Mostly with guys like him it is taking advantage of opportunity. He is a dime a dozen. Maybe he plays well and they do something.


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Post#1939 » by jfs1000d » Sat Aug 16, 2025 8:21 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Atlanta Hawks have signed N'Faly Dante to a 2 yr $4.5 million offer sheet. Dante was on a 2-way for the Rockets last year and Houston has rights to match this contract. I believe this is the first time an NBA team has targeted another team's 2-way free agent and offered them an NBA contract. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often, it's a bit of a blind spot in the present system, and it's one of the reasons I advocate signing second round picks to roster contracts.

The worst thing that can happen to a 2nd round pick, is he plays well in the G on a 2-way, and after his rookie season another team offers your 2-way a full roster contract more rich than a rookie contract as Atlanta has done with Dante here.

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Post#1940 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Aug 16, 2025 8:34 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Atlanta Hawks have signed N'Faly Dante to a 2 yr $4.5 million offer sheet. Dante was on a 2-way for the Rockets last year and Houston has rights to match this contract. I believe this is the first time an NBA team has targeted another team's 2-way free agent and offered them an NBA contract. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often, it's a bit of a blind spot in the present system, and it's one of the reasons I advocate signing second round picks to roster contracts.

The worst thing that can happen to a 2nd round pick, is he plays well in the G on a 2-way, and after his rookie season another team offers your 2-way a full roster contract more rich than a rookie contract as Atlanta has done with Dante here.


I totally go the other way. Sick of guaranteed end of bench contracts. Two way is better than having a Walsh on the roster doing nothing .


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For sure if you sign your 2nd rounders, you are going to burn some roster spots

That is the downside of the strategy: Some of guys you sign, you will discover they can't play at this level. But if you don't take that chance to lock them up then it's hard to thereafter find good players to fit within your budget with JB/JT contracts taking up so much of the cap.

I think it's worth a couple Gabe Pruits for a Leon Powe type of bench impact at a multiyear minimum

edit: like for instance in 2021 we were considering drafting Austin Reaves rather than Juhann Begarin but Reaves wanted a roster contract or hed take a 2-way from the Lakers. Brad didn't want to offer him a contract and so didn't draft him. Obviously, now that Reaves is a borderline star and probably gonna re-up for >$25 million a year, we can say we shouldve just drafted him. Why give that roster spot to a nowhere-man type of vet like Jabari Parker or Noah Vonleh?

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