Portland - Chicago

[DaVoiceMaster]

wut?

Giddey was tied for 2nd on the Bulls in defensive rating with a mark 2.6 points better than his team. And he was 2nd on the Bulls in DBPM and defensive winshares. Giddey's DBPM was +1.1; Scoot's was -0.8. That's not an 'anemic' defensive resume, at least not for last season

Genuine question: is this one of those times where stats are misleading or did he become a legit defender? That determines how on board I am.

Giddey doesn't blow you away as an on-ball defender, but he is big and smart and switchable. It's a real defensive advantage to have a big PG like that because there is no short guy to attack and force into switches. You may still see Giddey getting beat from time to time, but it will go unnoticed that the team rarely blows pick-and-roll coverage because switching is easier than hedging and fighting over the top. So Giddey may occasionally look bad in highlights, but the stats will show an effective team defense when he is on the floor.

Portland could put together some real good defensive lineups with Giddey, Avdija, Camara and Sharpe switching everything on the perimeter.

Sharpe and defense don't belong in the same sentence.

[zzaj]

Yeah, I probably have to do this if I'm Portland. I'm a Scoot supporter (still think he has Kemba Walker in him), but with the way the NBA is trending to size I think Giddey makes more sense.

That being said, this thread could look pretty outdated in a year if Scoot makes an expected jump.

[JRoy]

I am not a Scoot supporter. I take this and run.

[One_and_Done]

I'd say no as Portland. At least Scoot has the potential to become a starter on a contender. Giddey doesn't.

[Dez]

I'd say no as Portland. At least Scoot has the potential to become a starter on a contender. Giddey doesn't.

Well this is a ridiculous take.

What potential does Scoot have that Giddey doesn't?

[One_and_Done]

I'd say no as Portland. At least Scoot has the potential to become a starter on a contender. Giddey doesn't.

Well this is a ridiculous take.

What potential does Scoot have that Giddey doesn't?

To be a 16 game player? Granted, Scoot's odds of getting there look pretty mixed at this point, but with Giddey it's almost non-existent. Giddey's optimal role is getting stats on a 38-42 win team that is going nowhere. I would have no interest in acquiring such a player.

[Dez]

I'd say no as Portland. At least Scoot has the potential to become a starter on a contender. Giddey doesn't.

Well this is a ridiculous take.

What potential does Scoot have that Giddey doesn't?

To be a 16 game player? Granted, Scoot's odds of getting there look pretty mixed at this point, but with Giddey it's almost non-existent. Giddey's optimal role is getting stats on a 38-42 win team that is going nowhere. I would have no interest in acquiring such a player.

Oh right so misconstruing things is the argument you're going with? Okay.

Giddey has improved every year and once he got the keys to the team after the LaVine he went to another level that resulted in wins despite an overall lack of talent around outside of Coby White.

His floor and ceiling are both higher than Henderson.

[One_and_Done]

Well this is a ridiculous take.

What potential does Scoot have that Giddey doesn't?

To be a 16 game player? Granted, Scoot's odds of getting there look pretty mixed at this point, but with Giddey it's almost non-existent. Giddey's optimal role is getting stats on a 38-42 win team that is going nowhere. I would have no interest in acquiring such a player.

Oh right so misconstruing things is the argument you're going with? Okay.

Giddey has improved every year and once he got the keys to the team after the LaVine he went to another level that resulted in wins despite an overall lack of talent around outside of Coby White.

His floor and ceiling are both higher than Henderson.

There's no miscontruing anything. You disagree with me, and I agree with Presti.

[Dez]

To be a 16 game player? Granted, Scoot's odds of getting there look pretty mixed at this point, but with Giddey it's almost non-existent. Giddey's optimal role is getting stats on a 38-42 win team that is going nowhere. I would have no interest in acquiring such a player.

Oh right so misconstruing things is the argument you're going with? Okay.

Giddey has improved every year and once he got the keys to the team after the LaVine he went to another level that resulted in wins despite an overall lack of talent around outside of Coby White.

His floor and ceiling are both higher than Henderson.

There's no miscontruing anything. You disagree with me, and I agree with Presti.

You mean the Presti that wanted to keep him but honoured his wish to be traded? That Presti?

[One_and_Done]

Oh right so misconstruing things is the argument you're going with? Okay.

Giddey has improved every year and once he got the keys to the team after the LaVine he went to another level that resulted in wins despite an overall lack of talent around outside of Coby White.

His floor and ceiling are both higher than Henderson.

There's no miscontruing anything. You disagree with me, and I agree with Presti.

You mean the Presti that wanted to keep him but honoured his wish to be traded? That Presti?

I hope you don't genuinely believe that Presti traded him out of respect for Giddey. He did it to make the Thunder better, and he succeeded. GMs just say nice things about players in press conferences because it's good PR. The reason Giddey wanted out was because Presti told him he wanted him to come off the bench.

[RTG HD]

Portland is one of the worst places for Giddey given the fans resistance to off course issue due to the unfortunate Jail Blazer era.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Seemingly fair value, however, I am not trading scoot before I ever have a chance to see how he looks like on a serious team.

There is a world where the blazers are a play in team, and even in a first round exit you can kind of tell something about a player once they play in a playoff situation. For as good as Giddey was last year, on a good team within a playoff rotation he stunk it up with the thunder.

[Case2012]

Portland is one of the worst places for Giddey given the fans resistance to off course issue due to the unfortunate Jail Blazer era.

I disagree with this. We have a coach that has been accused of a sexual assault that the victim still claims happened and a pf that's also IDF who has been making comments in support of what's happening in Gaza (mods and posters lose their **** even saying the name of that country like we're not supposed to acknowledge it's existence, it's that sensitive). These are both highly controversial issues but the fans in Portland have not only accepted them but fully embraced them, with Deni being looked at as our best player and the long term solution at the 4. Regardless of which way you fall on those issues, they haven't stopped this FO from bringing players and personnel here with a history of controversy. Hell, China is looked at as our country's biggest enemy but we just drafted a Center from there and we have the most international team in the league while ICE is doing what it's doing.

So despite the controversy around Giddey, I think if Portland liked him more than Scoot, they would make a move for him. Hell I think they'd make a move for Zion too which they were rumored to want to do before.

[RTG HD]

Portland is one of the worst places for Giddey given the fans resistance to off course issue due to the unfortunate Jail Blazer era.

I disagree with this. We have a coach that has been accused of a sexual assault that the victim still claims happened and a pf that's also IDF who has been making comments in support of what's happening in Gaza (mods and posters lose their **** even saying the name of that country like we're not supposed to acknowledge it's existence, it's that sensitive). These are both highly controversial issues but the fans in Portland have not only accepted them but fully embraced them, with Deni being looked at as our best player and the long term solution at the 4. Regardless of which way you fall on those issues, they haven't stopped this FO from bringing players and personnel here with a history of controversy. Hell, China is looked at as our country's biggest enemy but we just drafted a Center from there and we have the most international team in the league while ICE is doing what it's doing.

So despite the controversy around Giddey, I think if Portland liked him more than Scoot, they would make a move for him. Hell I think they'd make a move for Zion too which they were rumored to want to do before.

The coach was is the only one that has committed a crime that fits with the Jail Blazer era issues and it has been talked about in the media here. I personally do not support genocide or people who support genocide in Palestine or any other place but for whatever reason a player being a genocide supporter is not yet seen the same way as someone who rapes a child is seen. As for drafting a Chinese player, there is nothing criminal about being from a country that in effect is one of the United States' greatest allies. The ICE stuff however unfortunate is not relevant to the Blazers team image.

[Butter]

What cracks me up about this thread is how adament Bulls fans are about Giddey's value being higher than Scoots.

Then why are there so many pages about this trade? Is it just that Bulls fans just want to defend his honor?