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[jayjaysee]

Part of my thinking was Murray's biting in his criticism of the Pels franchise a couple of months ago. Has that been smoothed over? Would both sides welcome a reset?

I really don’t know about that.

I think Dumars trading the 2026 first means they have no plans of getting worse. And a midseason semi-healthy DJM should be a better player than Nurkic for a full season.

If DJM’s comments were as bad as they sound, I do think they should be looking at moving on. Think dumping DJM costs more than they should pay (say a decent first) though, probably look to do a negative/negative swap..

Okay, but in this scenario NOP isn't getting Nurkic, they're getting Simons. Maybe he's redundant with Poole, but according to BBREF's imperfect position tracking, Poole has played nearly 40% of his career at the point. Might make for a decent three guard rotation with Fears.

You are correct. And Simons should help more than DJM..

I do think it should cost a first to dump DJM’s back two years if you do it now. But I don’t see NOP being willing to pay a first given they no longer have any firsts from other teams coming in and really don’t look like a young team on the rise either.. Feels like a 50/50 to them entering a full rebuild next offseason.

[jayjaysee]

Number 100 of random bad Monk to Dallas idea? Ish? Probably a repeat..

Gafford to CLT
Connaughton, Naji, Dallas 2nd to Sac
Monk and Orlando first to Dallas

[Mavrelous]

Amir Coffey to the Bucks on a minimum, good pickup, they have no depth at the forward position.

[Scoot McGroot]

Amir Coffey to the Bucks on a minimum, good pickup, they have no depth at the forward position.

Agreed. And he’s even on a non guaranteed camp tryout, reportedly.

[oldncreaky]

Amir Coffey to the Bucks on a minimum, good pickup, they have no depth at the forward position.

Agreed. And he’s even on a non guaranteed camp tryout, reportedly.

I'm surprised and disappointed DET did not go after him. Clear need. Open roster spot. Well under the tax line. Type of player who should do well playing off Cade. Obviously would not have cost much.

[chrbal]

Amir Coffey to the Bucks on a minimum, good pickup, they have no depth at the forward position.

Agreed. And he’s even on a non guaranteed camp tryout, reportedly.

I'm surprised and disappointed DET did not go after him. Clear need. Open roster spot. Well under the tax line. Type of player who should do well playing off Cade. Obviously would not have cost much.

Is he better than Javonte, sure. That doesn’t make this disappointing though. Hes a solid depth guy, but he wouldn’t make Detroit better.

I’m surprised that all Coffey got was a camp contract from a team already carrying 15 standard contracts

[oldncreaky]

Agreed. And he’s even on a non guaranteed camp tryout, reportedly.

I'm surprised and disappointed DET did not go after him. Clear need. Open roster spot. Well under the tax line. Type of player who should do well playing off Cade. Obviously would not have cost much.

Is he better than Javonte, sure. That doesn’t make this disappointing though. Hes a solid depth guy, but he wouldn’t make Detroit better.

I’m surprised that all Coffey got was a camp contract from a team already carrying 15 standard contracts

I agree he wouldn't make a huge difference, but while it is low reward, it is zero risk. I think we could use the cheap depth, especially at PF. Coffey could be 9th in DET's rotation, and higher if there are any injuries -- which would be a steal for a min salary contract.

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[daoneandonly]

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Oh man, you got my hopes up when I saw the name Dante. Thought it was Dante Exum and Dallas was no longer on the books for AD's little brother in their race to see who misses more games.

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Oh man, you got my hopes up when I saw the name Dante. Thought it was Dante Exum and Dallas was no longer on the books for AD's little brother in their race to see who misses more games.

Exactly who on the Mavericks do you consider durable?

[Godaddycurse]

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Oh man, you got my hopes up when I saw the name Dante. Thought it was Dante Exum and Dallas was no longer on the books for AD's little brother in their race to see who misses more games.

Exactly who on the Mavericks do you consider durable?

Flagg (hopefully)

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Oh man, you got my hopes up when I saw the name Dante. Thought it was Dante Exum and Dallas was no longer on the books for AD's little brother in their race to see who misses more games.

Exactly who on the Mavericks do you consider durable?

The question si exactly why you dont double and triple down on the problem in question

[Mavrelous]

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[MoreyWins]

How many unprotected first round picks would the Kings have to package with DeMar and Monk to trade for Lauri?

[DNP-Old]

Oh man, you got my hopes up when I saw the name Dante. Thought it was Dante Exum and Dallas was no longer on the books for AD's little brother in their race to see who misses more games.

Exactly who on the Mavericks do you consider durable?

The question si exactly why you dont double and triple down on the problem in question

Nobody thinks Dallas did well in the Luka trade, but they didn't get less durable because of it.

[daoneandonly]

What is Jaden Ivey's trade value? He needs a new contract and did not have a good first 2 years, but showed some stuff last year until the unfortunate injury.

Does something like this have any legs, or way off?

Detroit gets: Obi Toppin
Indy gets: Daniel Gafford
Dallas gets: Jaden Ivey

Detroit gets Toppin, who should fit well with Cade, Tobias is their only real 4 atm. Indy gets a much-needed center, Siakam and Jarace should be able to provide the vast majority of minutes at the 4. Ivey gives Dallas a young guard who should be able to start with Klay at the beginning of the season and then Ky when he returns.

[Scoot McGroot]

What is Jaden Ivey's trade value? He needs a new contract and did not have a good first 2 years, but showed some stuff last year until the unfortunate injury.

Does something like this have any legs, or way off?

Detroit gets: Obi Toppin
Indy gets: Daniel Gafford
Dallas gets: Jaden Ivey

Detroit gets Toppin, who should fit well with Cade, Tobias is their only real 4 atm. Indy gets a much-needed center, Siakam and Jarace should be able to provide the vast majority of minutes at the 4. Ivey gives Dallas a young guard who should be able to start with Klay at the beginning of the season and then Ky when he returns.

Indy has 4 centers. They don’t really need A center. They need the right center. I think they’re going to let Isaiah Jackson play the roll/lob man center position that Gafford would fill, while hoping that Jay Huff can take some of the stretch/lob center role. Bring along Wiseman and keep Bradley “just in case”, and lean heavily on Obi/Walker playing some small ball center minutes, too. If Gafford could be the centerpiece center for a team, especially Indy, I think they’d be happy to pay for him, but that’s not Gafford.


Also, Ivey would hold the most value of those 3 guys. Obi and Gafford are pretty close, with seconds to your favorite team?

[oldncreaky]

What is Jaden Ivey's trade value? He needs a new contract and did not have a good first 2 years, but showed some stuff last year until the unfortunate injury.

Does something like this have any legs, or way off?

Detroit gets: Obi Toppin
Indy gets: Daniel Gafford
Dallas gets: Jaden Ivey

Detroit gets Toppin, who should fit well with Cade, Tobias is their only real 4 atm. Indy gets a much-needed center, Siakam and Jarace should be able to provide the vast majority of minutes at the 4. Ivey gives Dallas a young guard who should be able to start with Klay at the beginning of the season and then Ky when he returns.

This has been discussed quite a bit in various threads, and I don;t think you'll get much traction from DET or IND

From a DET perspective: I doubt you could find many DET fans that would be willing to part with Ivey for a backup PF, or even a starting PF. There's a thread on the Pistons board about PF targets. Obi was one of those possibilities discussed, and the majority of fans were not very interested. I was in the minority that was interested in Obi, but even then, the price I'd wase willing to pay was essentially cap space (taking his contract into a TPE, maybe a SRP or 2) rather than shipping out assets, let alone a starter. Now that IND no longer has a tax problem, the logic no longer works for either team.

I'd also argue that we have a greater need at G than backup PF. Baring training camp surprises we really only have 2 playable Gs (Cade and Ivey) in our rotation, while we have a half dozen guys who we can fill in at backup PF: any of the 4 wings (Thompson, Holland, LeVert, Robinson) as well as Stewart and Paul Reid.

From IND perspective: I don't have Gafford as a good stylistic fit in Indiana, and I don't see the case for trying to further patch the C position in a gap year. Also, now that IND has let Turner go to MIL and is operating below the tax, there is zero reason from a financial perspective to dump salary -- which is the only reason I recall Indy fans were willing to contemplate letting Obi go.

From a DAL perspective: obvious win to get Ivey in a position of need for a JAG playing the position where you have ridiculous depth

[chrbal]

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Troy Weaver plus Joe Dumars equals this. As a Piston fan still in shock that one team employs both of them together, this is only going to get crazier.

What’s even crazier is that McDaniels played 4 games for the Wizards last season while Weaver was there. He played a grand total of 7 minutes as a Wizard.

So he wasn’t good enough to be even a fill in with Washington, but he’s good enough for any type of contract with the Pelicans??? I’m guessing it’s a camp contract, but still

[HornetJail]

McDaniels wasn't anything special, but he was a serviceable role player in Charlotte. I'm surprised he hasn't been able to latch on elsewhere.

I know I wouldn't mind him to be our backup 4 until Grant Williams rounds into shape.

This is a rare decent move by NOLA this summer