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Post#541 » by Dogen » Sun Aug 17, 2025 6:56 am

Fierce1 wrote:6th - Simons
7th - Sam
8th - Baylor, Hugo, or Walsh
9th - Mynot, Tillman, or Walsh
10th - Garza

I will be surprised if Joe does not go with a 10-man rotation this season.


So you have Boucher starting with Queta.

Yeah, this looks about right. I'm not sure if Tillman will be ahead of Garza at the 5, but if he's healthy X might surprise people. With a new system and time for his knees to heal, he could be a different player. He was a starter for Memphis in the playoffs a few years ago and was quite spry.

10 players seems about right considering Joe won't feel as much to stay in home court advantage range. This is a year for development and some experimentation, with little need to shorten the rotation.

I could see Walsh occasionally moving up a slot off the bench depending on the matchups. Or, Sam starting at times when a starter is out. I like Simons as 6th man, let Payton get a chance to prove himself as the starter.

Hugo is tough to predict just yet. He'll certainly warrant some PT, but will need time to adjust to the NBA.

I would not be surprised if RJ Luis gets a few looks, even over the other two 2-Ways. Shulga and Williams (if signed) can step in for a cup of coffee now and then. Luis looks like a guy that was "slept on". He may not be an NBA level shooter this year, and we don't know what's going on between his ears, but otherwise I don't see a lot of separation between him and some of the players that went in the second round.
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Post#542 » by darrendaye » Sun Aug 17, 2025 4:47 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:6th - Simons
7th - Sam
8th - Baylor, Hugo, or Walsh
9th - Mynot, Tillman, or Walsh
10th - Garza

I will be surprised if Joe does not go with a 10-man rotation this season.


So you have Boucher starting with Queta.

Yeah, this looks about right. I'm not sure if Tillman will be ahead of Garza at the 5, but if he's healthy X might surprise people. With a new system and time for his knees to heal, he could be a different player. He was a starter for Memphis in the playoffs a few years ago and was quite spry.

10 players seems about right considering Joe won't feel as much to stay in home court advantage range. This is a year for development and some experimentation, with little need to shorten the rotation.

I could see Walsh occasionally moving up a slot off the bench depending on the matchups. Or, Sam starting at times when a starter is out. I like Simons as 6th man, let Payton get a chance to prove himself as the starter.

Hugo is tough to predict just yet. He'll certainly warrant some PT, but will need time to adjust to the NBA.

I would not be surprised if RJ Luis gets a few looks, even over the other two 2-Ways. Shulga and Williams (if signed) can step in for a cup of coffee now and then. Luis looks like a guy that was "slept on". He may not be an NBA level shooter this year, and we don't know what's going on between his ears, but otherwise I don't see a lot of separation between him and some of the players that went in the second round.


IMO, Garza is going to be 4th or 5th on the team in shots per minute and like you stated, higher up on the depth chart than Fierce1 projects here. My "projections" have Garza and Minott mostly linked together on reserve unit(s). I see each playing 14-16 MPG. Scheierman MAY eclipse them in MPG when injured/rest days are factored in, but I have a hard time seeing him get more than 10 or so minutes per when rest of point/wing rotation players are healthy.

Boucher swapped for Niang (in essence) created a lane for Tillman to fit, provided he can move laterally again. He can be paired with Garza or Boucher as a chess piece big defender for those units. His shaky outside shot less a hinderance and if scheme changes actually occur that lead to faster pace/more cutting/more side to side ball movement, could find a function offensively. But as I've typed elsewhere, I see Jaylen being put in Tatum's defensive role at least in stretches when Boucher is playing the 5. That COULD be Tillman, but I'd think they want to see Minott and Scheierman for an extended period first and that low block helper role starts with Brown so those guys get to play.
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Post#543 » by Gant » Sun Aug 17, 2025 5:13 pm

Yeah, as it stand right now, Garza will play because there's no one else. He's where Kornet was last season, only higher in the depth chart because there's only one real center in front of him.

Boucher really is too skinny for a major role at 5. He'll play there, but those are very small lineups.

Until there are changes, Queta, Boucher, Brown, White, Pritchard, Simons, Hauser, and Garza are all starters or core rotation guys. That's 8 players.

They have a glut at the three small positions, so Scheierman and Gonzalez need to earn minutes. At the 4, Minott and Walsh have The Biggest Opportunity they will ever get. That quartet will compete for a regular role and the remaining playing time. That makes 12. I'd guess that Gonzalez will be getting some development time in Maine with the two-wayers.


Tatum is out. Based on last season, Tillman is not usable until proven otherwise. If he can play it does change things. More roster changes are very possible, including adding another frontcourt guy, or shaking it all up with a Simons deal.
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Post#544 » by Fierce1 » Sun Aug 17, 2025 9:34 pm

I don't have Tillman ahead of Garza.

Garza will be the backup Center.

I was just showing the options at PF.

Garza can be anywhere from 6th to 10th man.

If Queta comes out, Garza will replace him.
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Post#545 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sun Aug 17, 2025 11:21 pm

I'm not even sure Walsh is an NBA player, but with regard to giving him minutes at the 4, I guess maybe against other teams' small ball lineups, but I don't regard him as a 4 in any way. Sadly, after Boucher, there really isn't another legitimate 4 on the team, unless X is miraculously healthy. Could be really brutal at that spot. My .02
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Post#546 » by 31to6 » Mon Aug 18, 2025 3:19 pm

Bill Lumbergh wrote:I'm not even sure Walsh is an NBA player, but with regard to giving him minutes at the 4, I guess maybe against other teams' small ball lineups, but I don't regard him as a 4 in any way. Sadly, after Boucher, there really isn't another legitimate 4 on the team, unless X is miraculously healthy. Could be really brutal at that spot. My .02


I think Sam and JB are the non-Boucher PFs, and one of them might end up as our starting PF more often than not.
I agree that I don't see Walsh as a PF, nor Minott -- those are two rail-thin dudes. Wingspan? Yes. But IMO they are slashing wing types. Hauser also plays like a wing, of course, but has (per NBA.com) 12lbs on Walsh and Minott -- and 2" on Walsh. JB has 10lbs on Sam and 20 on Walsh and Minott.

I know that given roster construction, guys will have to play out of position, so I'm not saying that in a game that's not close you can't try Minott or even Walsh at the '4' for a bit -- but in competitive games we're trying to win, I just don't see it -- yet. Maybe they'll bulk up and I'll be wrong -- time was when JT was a '3', after all.
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Post#547 » by Hal14 » Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:33 pm

Fierce1 wrote:I don't have Tillman ahead of Garza.

Garza will be the backup Center.

I was just showing the options at PF.

Garza can be anywhere from 6th to 10th man.

If Queta comes out, Garza will replace him.

Eh, Idk.

I think Queta probably starts.

Garza *might* be the backup center, but it also wouldn't surprise me if there's sort of a training camp competition for backup center mins between Garza and Tillman. Depending on how healthy Tillman is.

Boucher might be in that battle, too..although he can play the 4 and may end up playing most of his mins at the 4, given out lack of bodies at that position.
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Post#548 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Aug 18, 2025 7:42 pm

Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4 against a lot of teams. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should be able to play. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA

Bill Lumbergh wrote:I'm not even sure Walsh is an NBA player, but with regard to giving him minutes at the 4, I guess maybe against other teams' small ball lineups, but I don't regard him as a 4 in any way. Sadly, after Boucher, there really isn't another legitimate 4 on the team, unless X is miraculously healthy. Could be really brutal at that spot. My .02
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Post#549 » by Hal14 » Mon Aug 18, 2025 7:50 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Against a lot of teams Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should have some chance. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA

Bill Lumbergh wrote:I'm not even sure Walsh is an NBA player, but with regard to giving him minutes at the 4, I guess maybe against other teams' small ball lineups, but I don't regard him as a 4 in any way. Sadly, after Boucher, there really isn't another legitimate 4 on the team, unless X is miraculously healthy. Could be really brutal at that spot. My .02

Eh, idk. I think Baylor is closer to being a PG than he is to being a PF.

He played some PG for us in summer league.

If I'm ranking our 14 guys currently on standard contracts based on positions..like the guys who are better equipped to play the 5 at the top and guys who are smaller, and have to play guard at the bottom, It would be something like this:

Queta
Garza
Tillman
Boucher
Minott
Tatum
Walsh
Hauser
JB
Hugo
Baylor
White
Simons
Pritchard
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Post#550 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Aug 18, 2025 7:57 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Against a lot of teams Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should have some chance. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA

Bill Lumbergh wrote:I'm not even sure Walsh is an NBA player, but with regard to giving him minutes at the 4, I guess maybe against other teams' small ball lineups, but I don't regard him as a 4 in any way. Sadly, after Boucher, there really isn't another legitimate 4 on the team, unless X is miraculously healthy. Could be really brutal at that spot. My .02

Eh, idk. I think Baylor is closer to being a PG than he is to being a PF.

He played some PG for us in summer league.

If I'm ranking our 14 guys currently on standard contracts based on positions..like the guys who are better equipped to play the 5 at the top and guys who are smaller, and have to play guard at the bottom, It would be something like this:

Queta
Garza
Tillman
Boucher
Minott
Tatum
Walsh
Hauser
JB
Hugo
Baylor
White
Simons
Pritchard

Eh, I don't know back at you. Baylor Scheierman trying to stay in front of NBA point guards, that seems like a tough ask. So I don't know if I see that. Baylor played 350 mins last year, how many of those were at PG?

But if Scheierman could succeed at guard, that'd be great. His rebounding ability would really be additive from a guard slot, and the positional versatility would be beneficial to him just having opportunities to get on the floor. I really want to see >1,000 mins from BS this season
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Post#551 » by darrendaye » Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:50 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Against a lot of teams Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should have some chance. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA


Eh, idk. I think Baylor is closer to being a PG than he is to being a PF.

He played some PG for us in summer league.

If I'm ranking our 14 guys currently on standard contracts based on positions..like the guys who are better equipped to play the 5 at the top and guys who are smaller, and have to play guard at the bottom, It would be something like this:

Queta
Garza
Tillman
Boucher
Minott
Tatum
Walsh
Hauser
JB
Hugo
Baylor
White
Simons
Pritchard

Eh, I don't know back at you. Baylor Scheierman trying to stay in front of NBA point guards, that seems like a tough ask. So I don't know if I see that. Baylor played 350 mins last year, how many of those were at PG?

But if Scheierman could succeed at guard, that'd be great. His rebounding ability would really be additive from a guard slot, and the positional versatility would be beneficial to him just having opportunities to get on the floor. I really want to see >1,000 mins from BS this season


The one skill on defense that Baylor's scouting profile highlights is his ability to navigate screens. IMO he's going to need to get to Hauser level perimeter defense which, along with his ability to strip the ball, could get him to a good place defending wings. His length makes it difficult to project him defensively against "regular" PFs, though his toughness is evident and he's got fight.

Offensively, anticipatory passes to cutting Minott, Boucher, and Garza, PnR lob passes to Queta (others), and other connective things hopefully as at least a tertiary playmaker role on the unit(s) he's on.
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Post#552 » by Bill Lumbergh » Tue Aug 19, 2025 12:43 am

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redslastlaugh wrote:Against a lot of teams Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should have some chance. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA


Eh, idk. I think Baylor is closer to being a PG than he is to being a PF.

He played some PG for us in summer league.

If I'm ranking our 14 guys currently on standard contracts based on positions..like the guys who are better equipped to play the 5 at the top and guys who are smaller, and have to play guard at the bottom, It would be something like this:

Queta
Garza
Tillman
Boucher
Minott
Tatum
Walsh
Hauser
JB
Hugo
Baylor
White
Simons
Pritchard

Eh, I don't know back at you. Baylor Scheierman trying to stay in front of NBA point guards, that seems like a tough ask. So I don't know if I see that. Baylor played 350 mins last year, how many of those were at PG?

But if Scheierman could succeed at guard, that'd be great. His rebounding ability would really be additive from a guard slot, and the positional versatility would be beneficial to him just having opportunities to get on the floor. I really want to see >1,000 mins from BS this season


Yeah, he'd get smoked by PGs, and he's probably not big enough to guard 4s. Probably not quick enough for SGs, either. My guess is his best shot on D would be against SFs. On offense, he can facilitate, for sure, but he wouldn't be beating anybody off the bounce at PG. I guess, a facilitating 2-3. His lack of quickness on D will always be an issue. You just have to hope his good floor game on O will outweigh his defensive deficiencies. I still like him quite a bit. Hopefully this year he'll look a lot more like he did in the latter part of last season when he was damn good at times. That seems like an achievable hope to me. He'll definitely get his shot this year.
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Post#553 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:31 pm

If the core of the team continues to be Tatum/Brown/White, I'm pretty optimistic Scheierman can fit in fine defensively. There's a lot of versatility on the defensive end in that top 3. Matchups don't have to be positionally consistent night in and night out. In that core 3, I still think the overall weakness is that none of them are truly natural fits as primary ball handlers. Not saying they can't do it, but it's enough of a weakness that whatever other non center you put out there you cant to have some ball handling chops. So if Scheierman develops as someone who plays something like a PG or point-forward role on offense, I think that fits ideally and game to game he can find a matchup that works since those 3 can combine to guard pretty much whoever the other team has.

We're a bit unique in the sense that our top 3 are better defenders than they are ball handlers/playmakers. In a weird way, I think that means Schierman's defensive concerns might actually mean more time with the starters than less. The goal is always to put guys out there that cover for weaknesses of others and their own weaknesses mitigated by strengths. On a lot of teams Scheierman does the opposite since most stars are offensively focused. Not that ours aren't strong on offense, but they're a bit lacking in the ballhandling/playmaking department compared to others.
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Post#554 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Aug 21, 2025 6:16 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:If the core of the team continues to be Tatum/Brown/White, I'm pretty optimistic Scheierman can fit in fine defensively. There's a lot of versatility on the defensive end in that top 3.

this is a good point. it's kind of a shame that Jaden Springer didn't have it because he was a theoretical fit with Scheierman too
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Post#555 » by 165bows » Thu Aug 21, 2025 7:30 pm

Scheierman is pretty good as an off ball defender actually.
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Post#556 » by brackdan70 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:07 pm

Hal14 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Against a lot of teams Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should have some chance. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA

Bill Lumbergh wrote:I'm not even sure Walsh is an NBA player, but with regard to giving him minutes at the 4, I guess maybe against other teams' small ball lineups, but I don't regard him as a 4 in any way. Sadly, after Boucher, there really isn't another legitimate 4 on the team, unless X is miraculously healthy. Could be really brutal at that spot. My .02

Eh, idk. I think Baylor is closer to being a PG than he is to being a PF.

He played some PG for us in summer league.

If I'm ranking our 14 guys currently on standard contracts based on positions..like the guys who are better equipped to play the 5 at the top and guys who are smaller, and have to play guard at the bottom, It would be something like this:

Queta
Garza
Tillman
Boucher
Minott
Tatum
Walsh
Hauser
JB
Hugo
Baylor
White
Simons
Pritchard

Agree here. Baylor is no PF. Not strong enough or big enough or long enough, and doesn’t have the game. He is a wing that can handle.
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Post#557 » by 165bows » Fri Aug 22, 2025 12:25 am

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redslastlaugh wrote:Against a lot of teams Baylor Scheierman should feasibly be able to play the 4. Baylor isn't going to fare well against really physical PFs like a Julius Randle but against Jerami Grant types, who are getting their minutes as PFs in today's NBA, I think Scheierman should have some chance. And let's be honest, if Baylor Scheierman can't physically match players like Jerami Grant, it's not looking good for Baylor's chances at making a dent in the NBA


Eh, idk. I think Baylor is closer to being a PG than he is to being a PF.

He played some PG for us in summer league.

If I'm ranking our 14 guys currently on standard contracts based on positions..like the guys who are better equipped to play the 5 at the top and guys who are smaller, and have to play guard at the bottom, It would be something like this:

Queta
Garza
Tillman
Boucher
Minott
Tatum
Walsh
Hauser
JB
Hugo
Baylor
White
Simons
Pritchard

Agree here. Baylor is no PF. Not strong enough or big enough or long enough, and doesn’t have the game. He is a wing that can handle.

Tatum with one leg is the new Danny Ainge is the second best lefty on the team.

There’s something there somewhere I just can’t wordsmith it quite right yet.
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Post#558 » by bucknersrevenge » Fri Aug 22, 2025 2:30 am

Gant wrote:Yeah, as it stand right now, Garza will play because there's no one else. He's where Kornet was last season, only higher in the depth chart because there's only one real center in front of him.

Boucher really is too skinny for a major role at 5. He'll play there, but those are very small lineups.

Until there are changes, Queta, Boucher, Brown, White, Pritchard, Simons, Hauser, and Garza are all starters or core rotation guys. That's 8 players.

They have a glut at the three small positions, so Scheierman and Gonzalez need to earn minutes. At the 4, Minott and Walsh have The Biggest Opportunity they will ever get. That quartet will compete for a regular role and the remaining playing time. That makes 12. I'd guess that Gonzalez will be getting some development time in Maine with the two-wayers.


Tatum is out. Based on last season, Tillman is not usable until proven otherwise. If he can play it does change things. More roster changes are very possible, including adding another frontcourt guy, or shaking it all up with a Simons deal.


Lots of good stuff in this thread here. To your 8, I'll add Scheierman and Mynott to make it an even 10. And that 2 whole hockey lines you could run in and out if you want. To add to the Scheierman v Hauser discussion though, you have to think next year when Tatum comes back if even 2 of Boucher, Scheierman, or Mynott show they can fit in with this team they are going to take away from minutes you might otherwise give to Sam and they make a ton less than he does. Sam's a good shooter on a great deal; his value is up and he's gonna end up playing less minutes due to a logjam. It might be time to cash in on those chips soon.
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Post#559 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Aug 24, 2025 11:18 am

The first tranche of minutes at the 1-3 go to Brown, White, Pritchard and -- when Tatum is healthy again -- whatever usage Tatum gets playing next to double bigs. In that model, Simons won't be worth keeping.

The next tranche is a competition between Hauser, Scheirman, Walsh, Gonzalez et al. If Hauser doesn't dominate that competition, it might well be appropriate to trade him.
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Post#560 » by darrendaye » Sun Aug 24, 2025 2:09 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:The first tranche of minutes at the 1-3 go to Brown, White, Pritchard and -- when Tatum is healthy again -- whatever usage Tatum gets playing next to double bigs. In that model, Simons won't be worth keeping.

The next tranche is a competition between Hauser, Scheirman, Walsh, Gonzalez et al. If Hauser doesn't dominate that competition, it might well be appropriate to trade him.


Are you suggesting that only one from that next tranche group can get rotation minutes when Tatum returns and assuming Simons does not? And how would you qualify dominate? As a designated shooter he is almost certainly won't lose that competition, where else can the rest of the group catch up and make Hauser expendable?
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