Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Bucks Open against Middleton/Sign Coffey to Camp Deal

[tedbrogen]

Defense and athleticism would have improved a lot Portis for Kuminga... shooting not so much but..

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I can’t think of any better way to kill spacing for GA than having Kuminga and/or Kuz out there for all his minutes.

[JayMKE]

Replacing Livingston or Ajax with an actual NBA player would be upgrade, Coffey should make the roster easy over those guys.

[raferfenix]

Defense and athleticism would have improved a lot Portis for Kuminga... shooting not so much but..

If the Bucks weren’t interested in Kuminga at all idk if this stuff leaks.

Think we offered Kuzma and something.

[Frank Nova]

Defense and athleticism would have improved a lot Portis for Kuminga... shooting not so much but..

If the Bucks weren’t interested in Kuminga at all idk if this stuff leaks.

Think we offered Kuzma and something.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. We probably made the call about Kuminga, GSW said Bobby and we said what about Kuzma and Jackson Jr and GSW said no. Knowing there’s interest in Kuminga and no interest in moving Bobby, maybe things will get desperate enough for GSW that Kuzma, Ajax and they squeeze out the 2031 2nd becomes the best offer they actually can get? Doubtful but not the worst sign of potential things to eventually happen.

Kuminga replacing Bobby is a disaster but Kuminga replacing Kuzma is a needle mover. Let’s hope that situation gets worse and worse and Horst pulls another rabbit out of his hat.

[Bernman]

There'd be no better way to signal you're an incompetent franchise than to sign a guy for millions, then cut him a month later after nothing happened but seeing a borderline NBA player become available.

I wouldn't have re-signed Livingston off a solid summer league. But maybe this was always the deal w/ him & Rich Paul, who reps Trent (& Prince). Then if Maxey or Garland are dealt at the deadline, Rich puts in a good word to get us on the short list too. Horst networks. Moves are linked.

[skbucks1985]

Bobby makes 13.5, there's no way you can do a S&T with Kuminga without adding players that I don't think the Bucks have to offer. Swapping Kuzma for Kuminga leaves the Bucks with a better version of the same problem they currently have of a player who can't really play the 3 but doing so because that's where the minutes are.

I still go back to a Barrett for Kuzma and A-Jax/Smith trade because it just makes too much sense for both teams. The Bucks get a guy who at the very least is a MUCH better fit on their current roster while the Raptors clear their wing depth a little bit and more importantly are able to get under the luxury tax. Things may be frozen in place until the Kuminga situation is resolved and whenever that happens I think we'll start to see some dominoes fall.

[emunney]

Bobby is not eligible to be traded.

[-Jragon-]

The rumor was that GSW proposed a sign/trade for Bobby/Kuminga.. are those still allowed?

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[JayMKE]

Kuminga is an easy pass, he thinks he’s worth with Cade Cunningham-Scottie Barnes money apparently. Hell no! Just say no to painfully low IQ on and off the court players, last thing this team needs. There are lots of better targets for sure, signing him to that contract would be the worst one on the league and I’m not a believer in any more leaps happening. Kuz and Kuminga on the same team is the stuff of nightmares. Kuminga wants to score and have the ball in his hands, he doesn’t want to be some anonymous off the ball defensive glue man. That is the opposite of what Kuminga is. Athletic guys who look like they should be good defenders but suck are just cancers and should be easy to avoid. He’s an MLE guy at best. We don’t need a ball stopping no defense wing playe.

[raferfenix]

Kuminga replacing Bobby is a disaster but Kuminga replacing Kuzma is a needle mover. Let’s hope that situation gets worse and worse and Horst pulls another rabbit out of his hat.

Yeah I could imagine the Bucks taking a serious look at Bobby for Kuminga at the deadline but then settling on Kuzma.

Think Horst's vision is we could afford a forward flanking Giannis who isn't the best shooter provided we have great shooters at the 5 and in the backcourt. Without Bobby that doesn't work as well.

If Horst is sniffing around still I don't think the issue would be Kuminga's contract. Suns reportedly offered $22.5M per over 4 ($90M total) and Kings were less at $21M per over 3 ($63M total).

Of course the assets required in addition to Kuzma to upgrade is the rub -- also noting the Bucks would be taking on either Hield or Moody (or a similar sized contract) to make the numbers work.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, how would a double sign and trade have been possible with Bobby considering what he signed for ($14 mil AAV), while Kuminga is still allegedly turning down $20 million per? Kuzma was clearly the only workable salary and this seems like it was pretty much DOA once Kuminga's camp dug their heels in on demanding closer to 25 per.

[soxperry]

Replacing Livingston or Ajax with an actual NBA player would be upgrade, Coffey should make the roster easy over those guys.

Yeah I disagree with that. I think it's a big nothing Burger

Neither of those two kids are going to play at all this year except for garbage time so all we did was add another guy to a pile of guys that are mostly better than him.

I'm not even sure if there are minutes for him. This is not like kpj where there is a mountain of talent that just wasn't producing. He's a very limited player and to be honest is exactly the kind of guy I wish we would get away from

[yb90]

Coffey has his shortcomings but right now he is probably the only wing offensive player that shoots well from two and three.

[midranger]

Coffey has been good enough to be a part time starter and full time rotation piece on a WC playoff team 4 years in a row. He also plays the position of our greatest need. That said, he has limitations and his advanced numbers stink.

He could either be a huge piece of our puzzle or a total nothing burger. I like his odds at the former much better than the second round trio.

[Ron Swanson]

Worse rebounding but better shooting version of Torrey Craig.

[higharc]

I view the Coffee deal as a "wink-wink" thing.
We have something brewing to unload the player everyone is talking about as our insider said and this was conveyed to Coffee that a roster spot will get open as this is completed. And he knows he can be a rotation piece in this SF hungry roster.

[engelmartin]

Coffey was known as a freak athlete in college and still is a dude you can throw a lob to on the break. I wouldn’t consider him a “freak athlete” by NBA standards but he can get up there

[JayMKE]

Coffey seems like one of those unheralded contributors we can make use of, he fits a need for sure. I don’t really feel there is much value in trying to develop guys you don’t see projecting in the NBA, like if AJJ or Smith ever even become Coffey it would be a success.

[drone3]

Any good metrics for Coffey's D? How is he Offball

[soxperry]

I view the Coffee deal as a "wink-wink" thing.
We have something brewing to unload the player everyone is talking about as our insider said and this was conveyed to Coffee that a roster spot will get open as this is completed. And he knows he can be a rotation piece in this SF hungry roster.

I'll be honest, i wrote Coffey off the minute i saw that his advanced stuff sucked. But i'm developing a little more nuance to this situation. While he's not doing much besides shooting and scoring, his 2 point numbers are good (as someone just mentioned). My first impulse there was to look at how many he is taking per game. It's not many (3.4 last season). But that tells me something else: He's not chucking and he's probably not making bad decisions. Then I dial up video of all of his 2 point makes this year (nbaplaydb) and it appears that he can play above the rim a little and with some speed. That's not to say that he's Mathurin or something. But he's not someone who significantly limits your ability to play fast. He can hang a little.

He's not identical to Prince, but the profile is similar. Although, and these facts are going to be unpopular, Prince was significantly better as a 3 point shooter and defender last season than Coffey, and seems to be a better rebounder and passer. If there's an advantage for Coffey, it's that he seems a bit more crafty in shot creation and is decidedly more athletic.

Zooming out, i'm caught between explanations for why Coffey accepted a camp deal with us. It could be because we promised him a significant role. If that's the case, i'm a little scared knowing that we just gave Prince a two year deal and Kuzma is still on the team. All three of those guys getting minutes is barf material. There's also Gary Harris but he seems like a very obvious candidate to go the Delon Wright/Cam Payne route. So is a Kuzma trade going to happen for real then? It could also be that the market for Coffey was very bad. This had to have played a part, I would think.. But was it so bad that he accepted a non guaranteed deal with us while we have no plans to make room for him? That remains to be seen.