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HornetJail wrote:McDaniels wasn't anything special, but he was a serviceable role player in Charlotte. I'm surprised he hasn't been able to latch on elsewhere.
I know I wouldn't mind him to be our backup 4 until Grant Williams rounds into shape.
This is a rare decent move by NOLA this summer
oldncreaky wrote:daoneandonly wrote:What is Jaden Ivey's trade value? He needs a new contract and did not have a good first 2 years, but showed some stuff last year until the unfortunate injury.
Does something like this have any legs, or way off?
Detroit gets: Obi Toppin
Indy gets: Daniel Gafford
Dallas gets: Jaden Ivey
Detroit gets Toppin, who should fit well with Cade, Tobias is their only real 4 atm. Indy gets a much-needed center, Siakam and Jarace should be able to provide the vast majority of minutes at the 4. Ivey gives Dallas a young guard who should be able to start with Klay at the beginning of the season and then Ky when he returns.
This has been discussed quite a bit in various threads, and I don;t think you'll get much traction from DET or IND
From a DET perspective: I doubt you could find many DET fans that would be willing to part with Ivey for a backup PF, or even a starting PF. There's a thread on the Pistons board about PF targets. Obi was one of those possibilities discussed, and the majority of fans were not very interested. I was in the minority that was interested in Obi, but even then, the price I'd wase willing to pay was essentially cap space (taking his contract into a TPE, maybe a SRP or 2) rather than shipping out assets, let alone a starter. Now that IND no longer has a tax problem, the logic no longer works for either team.
I'd also argue that we have a greater need at G than backup PF. Baring training camp surprises we really only have 2 playable Gs (Cade and Ivey) in our rotation, while we have a half dozen guys who we can fill in at backup PF: any of the 4 wings (Thompson, Holland, LeVert, Robinson) as well as Stewart and Paul Reid.
From IND perspective: I don't have Gafford as a good stylistic fit in Indiana, and I don't see the case for trying to further patch the C position in a gap year. Also, now that IND has let Turner go to MIL and is operating below the tax, there is zero reason from a financial perspective to dump salary -- which is the only reason I recall Indy fans were willing to contemplate letting Obi go.
From a DAL perspective: obvious win to get Ivey in a position of need for a JAG playing the position where you have ridiculous depth
theBigLip wrote:
Totally agree. Lots of fans from other teams don’t know much about Ivey. Here are a few reasons he won’t be easily traded:
Still on his rookie deal
Super athletic - really fast
Wants to play in Detroit (family ties)
Early results diminished by unfortunate events:
- rookie year Cade was injured, no talent on roster
- 2nd year had historically horrible coach
- last year looking like a 20ppg good 3pt% 2way SG but then broke his leg
- should be back 100% this year
Why trade that for a overpaid backup PF?
theBigLip wrote:oldncreaky wrote:daoneandonly wrote:What is Jaden Ivey's trade value? He needs a new contract and did not have a good first 2 years, but showed some stuff last year until the unfortunate injury.
Does something like this have any legs, or way off?
Detroit gets: Obi Toppin
Indy gets: Daniel Gafford
Dallas gets: Jaden Ivey
Detroit gets Toppin, who should fit well with Cade, Tobias is their only real 4 atm. Indy gets a much-needed center, Siakam and Jarace should be able to provide the vast majority of minutes at the 4. Ivey gives Dallas a young guard who should be able to start with Klay at the beginning of the season and then Ky when he returns.
This has been discussed quite a bit in various threads, and I don;t think you'll get much traction from DET or IND
From a DET perspective: I doubt you could find many DET fans that would be willing to part with Ivey for a backup PF, or even a starting PF. There's a thread on the Pistons board about PF targets. Obi was one of those possibilities discussed, and the majority of fans were not very interested. I was in the minority that was interested in Obi, but even then, the price I'd wase willing to pay was essentially cap space (taking his contract into a TPE, maybe a SRP or 2) rather than shipping out assets, let alone a starter. Now that IND no longer has a tax problem, the logic no longer works for either team.
I'd also argue that we have a greater need at G than backup PF. Baring training camp surprises we really only have 2 playable Gs (Cade and Ivey) in our rotation, while we have a half dozen guys who we can fill in at backup PF: any of the 4 wings (Thompson, Holland, LeVert, Robinson) as well as Stewart and Paul Reid.
From IND perspective: I don't have Gafford as a good stylistic fit in Indiana, and I don't see the case for trying to further patch the C position in a gap year. Also, now that IND has let Turner go to MIL and is operating below the tax, there is zero reason from a financial perspective to dump salary -- which is the only reason I recall Indy fans were willing to contemplate letting Obi go.
From a DAL perspective: obvious win to get Ivey in a position of need for a JAG playing the position where you have ridiculous depth
Totally agree. Lots of fans from other teams don’t know much about Ivey. Here are a few reasons he won’t be easily traded:
Still on his rookie deal
Super athletic - really fast
Wants to play in Detroit (family ties)
Early results diminished by unfortunate events:
- rookie year Cade was injured, no talent on roster
- 2nd year had historically horrible coach
- last year looking like a 20ppg good 3pt% 2way SG but then broke his leg
- should be back 100% this year
Why trade that for a overpaid backup PF?
Godaddycurse wrote:theBigLip wrote:
Totally agree. Lots of fans from other teams don’t know much about Ivey. Here are a few reasons he won’t be easily traded:
Still on his rookie deal
Super athletic - really fast
Wants to play in Detroit (family ties)
Early results diminished by unfortunate events:
- rookie year Cade was injured, no talent on roster
- 2nd year had historically horrible coach
- last year looking like a 20ppg good 3pt% 2way SG but then broke his leg
- should be back 100% this year
Why trade that for a overpaid backup PF?
i thought his defense was still suspect?
Disagree that Toppin is overpaid after this recent solid playoff run. Ivey may have high contract demands and unlike this offseason there will be more teams with capspace next year. In another year Ivey may be the overpaid one
Godaddycurse wrote:theBigLip wrote:
Totally agree. Lots of fans from other teams don’t know much about Ivey. Here are a few reasons he won’t be easily traded:
Still on his rookie deal
Super athletic - really fast
Wants to play in Detroit (family ties)
Early results diminished by unfortunate events:
- rookie year Cade was injured, no talent on roster
- 2nd year had historically horrible coach
- last year looking like a 20ppg good 3pt% 2way SG but then broke his leg
- should be back 100% this year
Why trade that for a overpaid backup PF?
i thought his defense was still suspect?
Disagree that Toppin is overpaid after this recent solid playoff run. Ivey may have high contract demands and unlike this offseason there will be more teams with capspace next year. In another year Ivey may be the overpaid one
Godaddycurse wrote:theBigLip wrote:
Totally agree. Lots of fans from other teams don’t know much about Ivey. Here are a few reasons he won’t be easily traded:
Still on his rookie deal
Super athletic - really fast
Wants to play in Detroit (family ties)
Early results diminished by unfortunate events:
- rookie year Cade was injured, no talent on roster
- 2nd year had historically horrible coach
- last year looking like a 20ppg good 3pt% 2way SG but then broke his leg
- should be back 100% this year
Why trade that for a overpaid backup PF?
i thought his defense was still suspect?
Disagree that Toppin is overpaid after this recent solid playoff run. Ivey may have high contract demands and unlike this offseason there will be more teams with capspace next year. In another year Ivey may be the overpaid one
oldncreaky wrote:theBigLip wrote:oldncreaky wrote:
This has been discussed quite a bit in various threads, and I don;t think you'll get much traction from DET or IND
From a DET perspective: I doubt you could find many DET fans that would be willing to part with Ivey for a backup PF, or even a starting PF. There's a thread on the Pistons board about PF targets. Obi was one of those possibilities discussed, and the majority of fans were not very interested. I was in the minority that was interested in Obi, but even then, the price I'd wase willing to pay was essentially cap space (taking his contract into a TPE, maybe a SRP or 2) rather than shipping out assets, let alone a starter. Now that IND no longer has a tax problem, the logic no longer works for either team.
I'd also argue that we have a greater need at G than backup PF. Baring training camp surprises we really only have 2 playable Gs (Cade and Ivey) in our rotation, while we have a half dozen guys who we can fill in at backup PF: any of the 4 wings (Thompson, Holland, LeVert, Robinson) as well as Stewart and Paul Reid.
From IND perspective: I don't have Gafford as a good stylistic fit in Indiana, and I don't see the case for trying to further patch the C position in a gap year. Also, now that IND has let Turner go to MIL and is operating below the tax, there is zero reason from a financial perspective to dump salary -- which is the only reason I recall Indy fans were willing to contemplate letting Obi go.
From a DAL perspective: obvious win to get Ivey in a position of need for a JAG playing the position where you have ridiculous depth
Totally agree. Lots of fans from other teams don’t know much about Ivey. Here are a few reasons he won’t be easily traded:
Still on his rookie deal
Super athletic - really fast
Wants to play in Detroit (family ties)
Early results diminished by unfortunate events:
- rookie year Cade was injured, no talent on roster
- 2nd year had historically horrible coach
- last year looking like a 20ppg good 3pt% 2way SG but then broke his leg
- should be back 100% this year
Why trade that for a overpaid backup PF?
Plus Ivey was forced to play with, and even behind, Killian Hayes --- and because of that, I really don't put much weight on Ivey's first couple of seasons
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Texas Chuck wrote:I wouldn't trade Ivey for Toppin either. Might as well give him his last rookie year. Don't really understand talk of multiple first round picks. You can't think Indy would offer that when they have Mathurin in a similar situation filling the same role. Nothing justifies paying that.
Oh and any player worth multiple 1st round picks on top of a rotation player is never extending for 4/$25M or even 4/$35M. If those are Detroit's best offers, he's going to test restricted free agency. Can't understand being this bullish on a player and thinking my team can get him to play for Jaden Hardy money lol.
Godaddycurse wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:I wouldn't trade Ivey for Toppin either. Might as well give him his last rookie year. Don't really understand talk of multiple first round picks. You can't think Indy would offer that when they have Mathurin in a similar situation filling the same role. Nothing justifies paying that.
Oh and any player worth multiple 1st round picks on top of a rotation player is never extending for 4/$25M or even 4/$35M. If those are Detroit's best offers, he's going to test restricted free agency. Can't understand being this bullish on a player and thinking my team can get him to play for Jaden Hardy money lol.
i think he meant 25m/yr x4 years
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jayjaysee wrote:SkyHook wrote:jayjaysee wrote:
NOP has Poole to be their Simons. They don’t have tax issues and I think they just sit on DJM if it costs to dump him (which it likely should right now)
I have no idea what Dumars vision actually is, or if he has one, but I think if you put on the right pair of goggles you can see Zion/Trey/DJM being decent while Missi/Queen/Fears hopefully develop around them?
Part of my thinking was Murray's biting in his criticism of the Pels franchise a couple of months ago. Has that been smoothed over? Would both sides welcome a reset?
I really don’t know about that.
I think Dumars trading the 2026 first means they have no plans of getting worse. And a midseason semi-healthy DJM should be a better player than Nurkic for a full season.
If DJM’s comments were as bad as they sound, I do think they should be looking at moving on. Think dumping DJM costs more than they should pay (say a decent first) though, probably look to do a negative/negative swap..
daoneandonly wrote:WHat about Sacramento instead of Detroit?
Indy still gets Gaff
Sacramento gets Toppin
Dallas gets Devin Carter
Scoot McGroot wrote:daoneandonly wrote:WHat about Sacramento instead of Detroit?
Indy still gets Gaff
Sacramento gets Toppin
Dallas gets Devin Carter
Doesn’t help that Indy (still) probably has little to no interest.
Also, I imagine Sacramento isn’t as out on Carter as this would imply?
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Scoot McGroot wrote:?s=46
Confirmed, as this was on the official nba.com transactions wire before Keith posted it
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Scoot McGroot wrote:?s=46
Confirmed, as this was on the official nba.com transactions wire before Keith posted it
daoneandonly wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:daoneandonly wrote:WHat about Sacramento instead of Detroit?
Indy still gets Gaff
Sacramento gets Toppin
Dallas gets Devin Carter
Doesn’t help that Indy (still) probably has little to no interest.
Also, I imagine Sacramento isn’t as out on Carter as this would imply?
Yea definitely see both points, but a Mavs fan can still dream
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