Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

Crazy-Canuck · Post #2641 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:39 pm

Onus wrote:Lacob telling jk he wants him on gsw for a long time, while mdj is offering him a 1+1 is hilarious.

Lacob is not making this easy.

statsman · Post #2642 » by **statsman** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:42 pm

Hey Lacob, you want to keep him? Offer up the contract that does it. The 1+1 isn't enough. You're the *&%^#$%! owner! Toss the offer on the table yourself.

I'm still hoping for a S&T offer that will work. I honestly don't see how this stalemate is going to end.

cpower · Post #2643 » by **cpower** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:55 pm

Lacob you should just adopt him so that you can have him for a long time.

Old_Blue · Post #2644 » by **Old_Blue** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 6:53 pm

cpower wrote:Lacob you should just adopt him so that you can have him for a long time.

I wouldn't put any stock in this report. A "long time" is a relative term. Lacob is almost 70 years old. For him, making love to a woman for a "long time" is somewhere between 60 and 90 seconds before his heart gives out.

EvanZ · Post #2645 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 7:05 pm

goddammit Lacob still trying to make fetch a thing

statsman · Post #2646 » by **statsman** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:03 pm

whatisacenter wrote:only another month and a half of everybody acting like they know what JK will do.

Given that there are numerous paths this offseason can go with Kuminga, yeah, it's a pretty good bet no one can know for sure.

Twinkie defense · Post #2647 » by **Twinkie defense** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:56 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Onus wrote:Lacob telling jk he wants him on gsw for a long time, while mdj is offering him a 1+1 is hilarious.

Read on Twitter

Lacob is not making this easy.

I don't think there is any distance between the two views... of course we would all want Kuminga on the Warriors for a long time, which would mean he would step up his game, play team ball, and be an important part of a Championship team led by Steph Curry. That has not been the case so far, so it's likely that Kuminga has to leave. And he has just a few more months to cement his status. Time is getting short.

So in the meantime he's earned the 1+1.

If Lacob wanted Kuminga on the Warriors for a long time no matter what, it would be very easy for him to sign Kuminga to a long-term, big money deal. He's the boss. I bet he wanted Wiseman on the team for a long time, too. So obviously Lacob does not want Kuminga on the Warriors long-term no matter what, but some of you are reading his statement to mean that.

Twinkie defense · Post #2648 » by **Twinkie defense** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:58 pm

Lacob could also be winking to Kuminga, don't worry about a two-year deal, these other guys aren't going to be around that long anyway. Go ahead and sign that 1+1.

statsman · Post #2649 » by **statsman** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 10:13 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:Lacob could also be winking to Kuminga, don't worry about a two-year deal, these other guys aren't going to be around that long anyway. Go ahead and sign that 1+1.

I think if Lacob truly wanted Kuminga around, they would offer at least a 2+1 (TO). The 1+1 currently on the table seems geared toward trading him.

xdrta+ · Post #2650 » by **xdrta+** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 10:23 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:Lacob could also be winking to Kuminga, don't worry about a two-year deal, these other guys aren't going to be around that long anyway. Go ahead and sign that 1+1.

Kuminga's not an idiot. He won't fall for that.

Twinkie defense · Post #2651 » by **Twinkie defense** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 10:43 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Lacob could also be winking to Kuminga, don't worry about a two-year deal, these other guys aren't going to be around that long anyway. Go ahead and sign that 1+1.

Kuminga's not an idiot. He won't fall for that.

Fall for it? I mean he's gonna sign the 1+1. If Lacob can help make him feel good about it then good on him.

ChuckDurn · Post #2652 » by **ChuckDurn** » Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:11 pm

statsman wrote:I'm still hoping for a S&T offer that will work. I honestly don't see how this stalemate is going to end.

This is exactly where I am.

Earlier this summer, I didn’t think it would get to a point of utter toxicity, but I think it has. Not sure how anybody will be able to come to work with a smile on their face if Kuminga is back with the team this season. So the best thing would be for him to be gone, but I haven’t seen a real reasonable offer.

This is painful, and I don’t know who gives in first, or in what way. Does another team come in with a better offer? Do the Warriors accept the current sh—— offers? Does Kuminga give in and sign the 1+1? Do the Warriors (somewhat) given in and make an offer that’s a little more palatable to Kuminga?

Or does our heartburn just continue to give in? My bet is on that for the next few weeks.

watch1958 · Post #2653 » by **watch1958** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 2:35 am

There were several missteps with JK. To me, the worst was season 2. By mid season it was clear that the team was floundering. Klay never had his head together, Draymond and Poole had melted down and Wiggins had his crisis. By mid February at the latest they should have switched gears.

For the last few months, JK should have been playing 30+ minutes each game, even if it cost them some wins, or even kept them out of the playoffs.

EvanZ · Post #2654 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 4:25 pm

watch1958 wrote:There were several missteps with JK. To me, the worst was season 2. By mid season it was clear that the team was floundering. Klay never had his head together, Draymond and Poole had melted down and Wiggins had his crisis. By mid February at the latest they should have switched gears.

For the last few months, JK should have been playing 30+ minutes each game, even if it cost them some wins, or even kept them out of the playoffs.

What would be different? You are misdiagnosing the problem.

vvoland · Post #2655 » by **vvoland** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:02 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:
statsman wrote:I'm still hoping for a S&T offer that will work. I honestly don't see how this stalemate is going to end.

This is exactly where I am.

Earlier this summer, I didn’t think it would get to a point of utter toxicity, but I think it has. Not sure how anybody will be able to come to work with a smile on their face if Kuminga is back with the team this season. So the best thing would be for him to be gone, but I haven’t seen a real reasonable offer.

This is painful, and I don’t know who gives in first, or in what way. Does another team come in with a better offer? Do the Warriors accept the current sh—— offers? Does Kuminga give in and sign the 1+1? Do the Warriors (somewhat) given in and make an offer that’s a little more palatable to Kuminga?

Or does our heartburn just continue to give in? My bet is on that for the next few weeks.

This is kneejerk stuff. Sure, the summer was boring and we all want resolution and to talk horford, seth curry, melton, or other FAs. That said, where is the toxicity? Where is the pain? Does no one remember Lillard trying to leave Por or JB getting out of Miami (or Minny or Philly). THAT'S PAIN. THAT'S TOXIC. Does no one remember the negotiating tactics with JP3, Dray, Klay, and Iggy? All of whom had far more pull with the owner/fans/org than JK.

JK isn't laying down and accepting the first offer thrown his way. Most posters think he's an entitled, narcissistic, superstar-wannabe that is delusional. Fine, do you. The team isn't backing down on the TO, NTC, 2nd year guarantee, or a possible 3rd year. I'm sure there are voices out there that think GSW is sabotaging JK.

Personally, I don't think it's the right approach but understand that the team has all the leverage and get what they're trying to do. I don't know how long I'd make the team wait before accepting that 1+1, if I was JK, but I wouldn't make it easy.

The whole "lockeroom" issue is overblown. Players will never begrudge another player negotiating a contract. That has never happened. The only one that has come close was JB in Miami and he did a lot more than just negotiate a contract.

EvanZ · Post #2656 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:25 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:Lacob could also be winking to Kuminga, don't worry about a two-year deal, these other guys aren't going to be around that long anyway. Go ahead and sign that 1+1.

Kuminga's not an idiot. He won't fall for that.

I mean technically turning down 2X more guaranteed money is an idiot move. It's objectively a worse decision economically.

TB · Post #2657 » by TB » Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:46 pm

Just patiently waiting for Saric contract to be available mid September.

Keon, Carter, Saric for Kuminga (and maybe a pick headed their way)

Sign as many of Horford, Melton, Morris, GP2, Seth as we can.

Just like that, zero moves all summer to an incredible offseason.

tal57 · Post #2658 » by **tal57** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 6:04 pm

I don't think you can read much into Lacob wanting JL here for a long time. Which is only supported that what they do does not support what he says.
What Lacob is doing is a two-pronged sales pitch. One is he is trying to raise JK's trade value, maybe keeping the eye on the Kings and testing them. Secondly, having completely crap his pants on the Wiseman pick, he is trying to salvage a modicum of perception and his ego on his second high lotto failed pick in back-to-back years. Add to that another lotto mediocre pick in Moody and see where the Warriors could have been standing today in contention for a cup with 3 right picks (or moves). Especially with 3 HOF vets on their last hurrah.

statsman · Post #2659 » by **statsman** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 6:08 pm

TB wrote:Keon, Carter, Saric for Kuminga (and maybe a pick headed their way)

I don't see the Kings tossing all three to the Warriors. Keon with one of the other two is more likely, but still something the Kings would want to avoid. Beyond all of that, the BYC issues for the Warriors in a Kuminga S&T means the Kings need to move salary to a 3rd team.

xdrta+ · Post #2660 » by **xdrta+** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 7:19 pm

TB wrote:Just patiently waiting for Saric contract to be available mid September.

Keon, Carter, Saric for Kuminga (and maybe a pick headed their way)

For that deal to happen there would need to be more teams and salaries involved. If Sac is going to pay JK 21M, the max they can sending out those salaries, they'll end up over their 1st apron hard cap. Plus, the Warriors will end up hard-capped, which they really can't afford. Another minus, IMO, the Warriors end up with Saric.