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[nomorezorro]

i was referring to the event of a trade prior to next offseason, but the bears will absolutely offer him a second round tender if he's still on the roster at the start of free agency

they will happily pay $5.7 million for one year of a promising young backup QB rather than risk having him walk for nothing

[Dominator83]

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Realistically, what would it take for you to trade Bagent? Remember, a quality back up isn’t easy. But he could probably start for at least 1-2 teams right now lol

That's a tough question. If Caleb goes down, how confident do they feel in Kase Keenum? And if a team trading for him wants him as a possible starter, how much does a marginal starting QB go for in the NFL these days? A protected first? I'd think at least a second. But more importantly, how much is Tyson worth to the Bears? If Caleb gets hurt, having Tyson there might mean the whole season isn't a waste- he's trained in their system and could step in right away. Could Kase do the same? Only the coaches who see them in practice every day could answer that.

I think back to the Steve Fuller/Jim McMahon situation- Fuller filled in very nicely while Jim was out, although he didn't make the same impact as McMahon could when healthy. It's yet to be seen if Tyson can do that, of course.

This isn't the NBA! in the NFL if you trade a pick, you trade a pick. None of that protected BS

[Dominator83]

Don’t care if it’s the preseason. I saw all i needed to see. With Ben Johnson as HC, Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes.

lol he played 2 series. one was great, the other not so much.

That said, Ben is the real deal. feels good to have a real coach for once

[Dominator83]

there was an article in the athletic about how fields basically isn't throwing the ball downfield at all in camp or during the preseason games. seems like the jets are leaning hard into Embracing The Run but also, dude is what he is at this point

Nobody is going to run the ball more than that team and if anybody cares about fantasy - Braelon Allen is the dude to draft. He's huge, fast and has excellent vision with a really talented OL.

That defense is loaded with high level talent as well, they're going to be a tough team.

Exactly why im fading Breece Hall, who just last year was a top 5 overall pick. Just goes to show how much RBs get changed like underwear

[dice]

i was referring to the event of a trade prior to next offseason, but the bears will absolutely offer him a second round tender if he's still on the roster at the start of free agency

they will happily pay $5.7 million for one year of a promising young backup QB rather than risk having him walk for nothing

again, only the best backups make that. nobody considers him that except bears fans. so unless caleb stinks it up severely or gets injured and bagent shines in relief...what's the point? unless BJ loves him, of course

[dougthonus]

This isn't the NBA! in the NFL if you trade a pick, you trade a pick. None of that protected BS

They don't use "protected", but they do have conditions, like the pick moves up or down a round or two based on playing time or success. Ie, offer a conditional 1st for Bagent based on snap count or QB wins or something else.

[sco]

there was an article in the athletic about how fields basically isn't throwing the ball downfield at all in camp or during the preseason games. seems like the jets are leaning hard into Embracing The Run but also, dude is what he is at this point

Nobody is going to run the ball more than that team and if anybody cares about fantasy - Braelon Allen is the dude to draft. He's huge, fast and has excellent vision with a really talented OL.

That defense is loaded with high level talent as well, they're going to be a tough team.

Exactly why im fading Breece Hall, who just last year was a top 5 overall pick. Just goes to show how much RBs get changed like underwear

So who thinks Bagent is a better quarterback right now than Justin Fields?

[Dresden]

Caleb on Zacheeus: “It's been great. That's my guy on and off the field. I think on-the-field wise, what you all see mostly, but I think after practices, being able to get extra reps with him. Even if it's not maybe physical reps, it's mental reps of him and I just having open communication that I've talked about before with the wide receivers and where I expect him to be, how he runs this and all of that. I think it shows.”

He's a lock to make the team, and I would say a lock to start ahead of Burden.

[Dresden]

Nobody is going to run the ball more than that team and if anybody cares about fantasy - Braelon Allen is the dude to draft. He's huge, fast and has excellent vision with a really talented OL.

That defense is loaded with high level talent as well, they're going to be a tough team.

Exactly why im fading Breece Hall, who just last year was a top 5 overall pick. Just goes to show how much RBs get changed like underwear

So who thinks Bagent is a better quarterback right now than Justin Fields?

We'll know in about 6 games how good Fields is on his 3rd team. This is likely his last chance to be handed a starting role- if he ends up getting benched there, he'll have a hard time getting another starting gig. With Bagent, it's really hard to know how he'll do as a starter, but if I had to guess, he'll do quite well in Ben Johnson's system, with the line he has in front of him, and the targets he has to throw to.

[HearshotKDS]

Does Tyler Scott have a chance of making the team anymore? Hard to see him getting much PT here- he might be better off getting cut and trying to catch on elsewhere. He muffed the kickoff last night, but had a big gain on a swing pass and later caught a nice TD pass from Bagent. It will be tough to give up on a former 5th round pick, but Duvernay is a return man, so he'll stick- that's at least 5 WR's already. How many do teams keep?

Think Scott is someone you send to the PS and live with it if he gets poached. I dont think hes shown enough to get poached.

[Dresden]

Does Tyler Scott have a chance of making the team anymore? Hard to see him getting much PT here- he might be better off getting cut and trying to catch on elsewhere. He muffed the kickoff last night, but had a big gain on a swing pass and later caught a nice TD pass from Bagent. It will be tough to give up on a former 5th round pick, but Duvernay is a return man, so he'll stick- that's at least 5 WR's already. How many do teams keep?

Think Scott is someone you send to the PS and live with it if he gets poached. I dont think hes shown enough to get poached.

The 49'ers are short WR's and have been auditioning guys as of late- Bears should make a call to see if they're interested.

[Dresden]

One writers projections for the 53 man roster, after the second preseason game: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/bears-53-man-roster-projection-143427843.html

She has us keeping both Duvernay and Scott (cutting Donaldson), and in another interesting move, cutting Zach Pickens in favor of Chris Williams.

[TheJordanRule]

Caleb on Zacheeus: “It's been great. That's my guy on and off the field. I think on-the-field wise, what you all see mostly, but I think after practices, being able to get extra reps with him. Even if it's not maybe physical reps, it's mental reps of him and I just having open communication that I've talked about before with the wide receivers and where I expect him to be, how he runs this and all of that. I think it shows.”

He's a lock to make the team, and I would say a lock to start ahead of Burden.

Olamide is great at blocking at his position, and I would be happy with him as our 4th or 5th receiver on the depth chart. I don't think it makes sense to bury Burden, who is so explosive that he gets open consistently on play after play, in favor of Olamide unless it's a run play or something. It speaks volumes about Zacchaeus Olamide's offseason, that he's matching Tyler Scott step for step, and Tyler has world class athletic ability in his own right. We have an ungodly amount of weapons in our receiving room. Loveland + Kmet at TE is insane. Between the two of them, they should combine to put up prime Kelce numbers. DJ is in his prime and a legit WR1 even though last year was not the best indication of that. Odunze / Burden/ Olamide / Scott is crazy in terms of depth.

[Jeffster81]

I saw that Caleb Williams' time to throw in the Bills game was 2.6 seconds. If Caleb does this consistently all season, he will put on HUGE numbers.

[nomorezorro]

and in another interesting move, cutting Zach Pickens in favor of Chris Williams.

might be onto something

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[molepharmer]

and in another interesting move, cutting Zach Pickens in favor of Chris Williams.

might be onto something

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fwiw - I posted the below back on June 22. You'll notice no Pickens on 53-man. Also no mention of Benedet and they don't have Bates making the 53 man either. Both of those most likely make it now. No N Wright in the secondary but he also likely makes the 53-man, especially with the T Smith injury. McCloud is also a slim possibility depending upon the health status of Gordon and Blackwell.
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from Fishbain/Jahns:
Training camp starts for rookies on July 19, vets report July 22

Their early prediction for 53-man roster.....
QB (3) - Williams, Bagent, Keenum
RB (4) - Swift, R Johnson, Homer, Monangai.........no Wheeler
WR (6) - Moore, Odunze, Burden, Zaccheaus, Duvernay, Scott
TE (4) - Kmet, Loveland, J Wilson, Smythe........no Carlson
OT (9) - Trapilo, Thuney, Dalman, J Jackson, Wright, Amegadjie, B Jones, Newman, Murray........no Bates, McFadden, Kramer

DL (9) - Sweat, Odeyingbo, Booker, D Robinson, Billings, Jarrett, Dexter, S Stewart, C Williams.........no Hardy, Pickens
LB (5) - Edmunds, Edwards, Sewell, Hyppolite, Ogbongbemiga
CB (6) - J Johnson, T Stevenson, T Smith, K Gordon, Blackwell, Z Frazier......no McCloud, Wade
S (4) - Byard, Brisker, J Owens, E Hicks.......no T Moore, M Burns

P/K/LS (3) - T Taylor, Santos, S Daly

[Dresden]

Sounds like the starters will play v. KC this weekend.

[nomorezorro]

qb of the future locked down

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[Dominator83]

qb of the future locked down

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That's a good deal for everyone

[fleet]

So, that kind of tells us he doesn’t foresee opportunities to start around the league. Unless the Bears let him know they would trade him if something came up in return for the additional financial security to sign right now in Chicago.