2024 Redraft?

[gswhoops]

No all stars would make it the worst ever..

Has there never been a zero all star draft? I haven’t done my homework.
The odds are that a couple players take a leap and become all stars but at this point it doesn’t look good.

No never. Even the worst ever draft in 2000 has 3 guys make the all star team...

Yeah I feel like Risacher or one of the bigs will sneak in on an off year/due to injuries or something like that.

[Richard4444]

I think this is the most balanced draft of the last 10 years at least.

I would not be surprised if I see by the end of the season Sarr, Castle, Risarcher, Buzelis, Holland, Reed, Wells, Clingan, Ware, Edey, Mccain, Topic, Filipowski Stand out as the best player of the draft.

[Village Idiot]

I have only five guys with a shot at becoming all-stars.

- Castle, if he can improve his shooting and get playing time
- Clingan, if he can improve his conditionng and shooting
- Risacher, if he can develop his ball-handling
- Holland, shooting and ball-handling
- Buzelis, strength and all-around improvemet

outside those five guys there's not much to like IMHO

[wegotthabeet]

I still have no clue who is going to pan out from this draft, but I have a hard time seeing anyone making all NBA team based on 1st year.
Sheppard looked like the best bet before the draft, but he didn't get a real chance, but the way the Rockets are operating, they seem to believe he's a legit rotation guard this year already.

I would be trying to buy low on him. He should be on a team where he can get 30 minutes a night.

If you're buying low why is Houston selling?

I don't think they will give up on him per se. They might include him in a bigger deal.

Can he get minutes in Ime's rotation? We'll see.

It's just that the Rockets are very deep, but you're right he likely won't get moved because the gap between his market value and value to his current team is too wide.

Some comparable situations I can think of are:

1. Steve Nash to Dallas for rotation players + a future first

2. Billups to Toronto for a borderline star in his late 20's.

3. Giddey for Caruso

Something like that could happen.

[One_and_Done]

I would be trying to buy low on him. He should be on a team where he can get 30 minutes a night.

If you're buying low why is Houston selling?

I don't think they will give up on him per se. They might include him in a bigger deal.

Can he get minutes in Ime's rotation? We'll see.

It's just that the Rockets are very deep, but you're right he likely won't get moved because the gap between his market value and value to his current team is too wide.

Some comparable situations I can think of are:

1. Steve Nash to Dallas for rotation players + a future first

2. Billups to Toronto for a borderline star in his late 20's.

3. Giddey for Caruso

Something like that could happen.

The first of those 2 were huge mistakes tho.

[wegotthabeet]

If you're buying low why is Houston selling?

I don't think they will give up on him per se. They might include him in a bigger deal.

Can he get minutes in Ime's rotation? We'll see.

It's just that the Rockets are very deep, but you're right he likely won't get moved because the gap between his market value and value to his current team is too wide.

Some comparable situations I can think of are:

1. Steve Nash to Dallas for rotation players + a future first

2. Billups to Toronto for a borderline star in his late 20's.

3. Giddey for Caruso

Something like that could happen.

The first of those 2 were huge mistakes tho.

true

[daoneandonly]

im stunned alex sarr has the most votes

[Snakebites]

There really wasn't anyone who set the world on fire, frankly.

Castle was totally deserving of the rookie of the year, but with no disrespect to him, in how many seasons would those stats warrant that type of honor?

[SkyHook]

There really wasn't anyone who set the world on fire, frankly.

Castle was totally deserving of the rookie of the year, but with no disrespect to him, in how many seasons would those stats warrant that type of honor?

Worst stats by a ROY since Darrell Griffith in 1981.

[Texas Chuck]

I think we are writing off this draft class prematurely. Some guys it takes a minute. Or a 2nd team. Not every draft has a Tatum or a Luka who shows out big time immediately. Take Tatum's teammate Brown as a great example of a player who after year 1, nobody was thinking all-star much less all-NBA

[Snakebites]

I think we are writing off this draft class prematurely. Some guys it takes a minute. Or a 2nd team. Not every draft has a Tatum or a Luka who shows out big time immediately. Take Tatum's teammate Brown as a great example of a player who after year 1, nobody was thinking all-star much less all-NBA

The draft can't be written off entirely.

But I think we've already got enough data to reasonably say that this is a below average draft.

[BlazersBroncos]

I am still a Matas #1 guy. I think he has special tools for someone his size. I also think his rookie season is a bit slept on. His shooting splits (45 / 36 / 81) were better than I expected as a rookie. He flashed weak side rim protection (18mpg - 1BPG as a wing). He needs to mature mentally and physically but there still isnt a guy in the 2024 draft I would take over him.

Think Clingan would be closer to 3 or 4 in a redraft but I am biased. He has Gobert'lite potential. Insane rebounder, great shotblocker, 3PT mechanics are decent (If he can become a legit threat here he may be 'replacement' type All Star level guy). Super tough and plays very high motor for his size. Think he will post something like 10-12ppg / 10-12rpg / 1.8-2bpg / 1.5apg if given even 25mpg this year.

[parsnips33]

I am still a Matas #1 guy. I think he has special tools for someone his size. I also think his rookie season is a bit slept on. His shooting splits (45 / 36 / 81) were better than I expected as a rookie. He flashed weak side rim protection (18mpg - 1BPG as a wing). He needs to mature mentally and physically but there still isnt a guy in the 2024 draft I would take over him.

Think Clingan would be closer to 3 or 4 in a redraft but I am biased. He has Gobert'lite potential. Insane rebounder, great shotblocker, 3PT mechanics are decent (If he can become a legit threat here he may be 'replacement' type All Star level guy). Super tough and plays very high motor for his size. Think he will post something like 10-12ppg / 10-12rpg / 1.8-2bpg / 1.5apg if given even 25mpg this year.

Granted this is very unscientific, but Buzelis was the only guy who really jumped out to me as a talent watching him play. I think there's something there

[BlazersBroncos]

I am still a Matas #1 guy. I think he has special tools for someone his size. I also think his rookie season is a bit slept on. His shooting splits (45 / 36 / 81) were better than I expected as a rookie. He flashed weak side rim protection (18mpg - 1BPG as a wing). He needs to mature mentally and physically but there still isnt a guy in the 2024 draft I would take over him.

Think Clingan would be closer to 3 or 4 in a redraft but I am biased. He has Gobert'lite potential. Insane rebounder, great shotblocker, 3PT mechanics are decent (If he can become a legit threat here he may be 'replacement' type All Star level guy). Super tough and plays very high motor for his size. Think he will post something like 10-12ppg / 10-12rpg / 1.8-2bpg / 1.5apg if given even 25mpg this year.

Granted this is very unscientific, but Buzelis was the only guy who really jumped out to me as a talent watching him play. I think there's something there

Yep.

I see Riascher as JAG (Sorta like a Harrison Barnes level guy at best - which is a nice role player, but not a Top-5 pick, let alone a #1).

Sarr to me is more interesting but I still dont think he becomes more than a sort of mashup of Christian Wood and Myles Turner (Not as brainless as Wood, not as instinctual as Turner).

Castle I could see becoming a elite #4, but I dont see the juice or shot to ever be a Top-3 guy. Sort of a unique utility guy that does a bit of everything but never is a 'give him the ball and he can make it happen' type (Which you want out of your Top-3 - for the most part at least)

Matas really is the only guy in the 2024 draft that I saw, and still see, as someone who could be a Top-3 player on a playoff caliber team (in time).

[babyjax13]

I think McCain had a stretch that was frankly better than any rookie in this class produced. He did have the perfect circumstances to go nuclear, but I have a hard time not having him in my top 3 after that.

[gswhoops]

I think McCain had a stretch that was frankly better than any rookie in this class produced. He did have the perfect circumstances to go nuclear, but I have a hard time not having him in my top 3 after that.

Yeah McCain was impressive. OTOH I struggle a bit to see how a 6-2 shooting guard who's not a particularly good defender becomes a top-3 player in this draft class unless he either develops his PG skills or becomes an elite scorer

[Ball4life32]

I am still a Matas #1 guy. I think he has special tools for someone his size. I also think his rookie season is a bit slept on. His shooting splits (45 / 36 / 81) were better than I expected as a rookie. He flashed weak side rim protection (18mpg - 1BPG as a wing). He needs to mature mentally and physically but there still isnt a guy in the 2024 draft I would take over him.

Think Clingan would be closer to 3 or 4 in a redraft but I am biased. He has Gobert'lite potential. Insane rebounder, great shotblocker, 3PT mechanics are decent (If he can become a legit threat here he may be 'replacement' type All Star level guy). Super tough and plays very high motor for his size. Think he will post something like 10-12ppg / 10-12rpg / 1.8-2bpg / 1.5apg if given even 25mpg this year.

Granted this is very unscientific, but Buzelis was the only guy who really jumped out to me as a talent watching him play. I think there's something there

Yep.

I see Riascher as JAG (Sorta like a Harrison Barnes level guy at best - which is a nice role player, but not a Top-5 pick, let alone a #1).

Sarr to me is more interesting but I still dont think he becomes more than a sort of mashup of Christian Wood and Myles Turner (Not as brainless as Wood, not as instinctual as Turner).

Castle I could see becoming a elite #4, but I dont see the juice or shot to ever be a Top-3 guy. Sort of a unique utility guy that does a bit of everything but never is a 'give him the ball and he can make it happen' type (Which you want out of your Top-3 - for the most part at least)

Matas really is the only guy in the 2024 draft that I saw, and still see, as someone who could be a Top-3 player on a playoff caliber team (in time).

Risacher doesn't really remind me of Barnes who is more of a bigger(in terms of weight) combo forward who was a low volume perimeter shooter early in his career.

Risacher looked much better after he came back from minor injury last yr.

Risacher last 46 games:

14.8 ppg in less than 25mpg on 51 FG% / 41% 3pt (4+ attempts per game) splits. He had 3 30+ points games in that stretch. He's much faster and athletic then people think...not just a 3 ball guy...but I think his ceiling is more than a JAG role player.

[One_and_Done]

I think we are writing off this draft class prematurely. Some guys it takes a minute. Or a 2nd team. Not every draft has a Tatum or a Luka who shows out big time immediately. Take Tatum's teammate Brown as a great example of a player who after year 1, nobody was thinking all-star much less all-NBA

Many certainly thought that about Brown in yr 2 though. He was also playing very solid D against Lebron in the conference finals as a rookie, albeit in limited minutes.

[Daddy 801]

Pretty trash draft so far. Pretty happy the Jazz got Flip at 32. Seems like the “steal” of the draft so far. I didn’t scout him or know jack crap about him but when I heard his name as a late lotto/teens type pick on podcasts or whatever and then heard he might slip because he was banging his babysitter or whatever that weird story is all about… figured he might end up being a steal type player. His defense needs ALOT of work though. If he doesn’t improve on D he could end up being a 7th man big man with his offensive skills at minimum though.

[gswhoops]

Pretty trash draft so far. Pretty happy the Jazz got Flip at 32. Seems like the “steal” of the draft so far. I didn’t scout him or know jack crap about him but when I heard his name as a late lotto/teens type pick on podcasts or whatever and then heard he might slip because he was banging his babysitter or whatever that weird story is all about… figured he might end up being a steal type player. His defense needs ALOT of work though. If he doesn’t improve on D he could end up being a 7th man big man with his offensive skills at minimum though.

How many bigs are y'all rostering??