2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jerami Grant is going to be coming off the bench in Portland with them wanting to go young. I know many are down on him but he's the type of player that can rejuvenate himself in a better spot. If Portland is willing to attach draft picks to that contract to get off his salary that's something we should be looking into using Rozier and Fontechccio contracts. Portland has numerous 2nd round picks and a extra Orlando 1st rd pick in 2028 that can open up all our picks for us. Something to think about.

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[Kobewade11]

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I imagine they get a taker closer to December/Jan

[HeatFanLifer]

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Yet another example of poor decision making by the Heat when they got this guy.

[HeatFanLifer]

We were in the finals like two years ago. And we just stole Norm Powell for free without compromising our future.

WTF?

You guys really don't pay attention to the rest of the league, do you?

Worst playoff performance in history and you are personally attacking people for not paying attention? What games are you watching? Delete your post bro, you been under a rock for 2 years.

I wasn't personally attacking you, but now I see no need to hold back.

Go root for the God damned Kings, you front runner. We're in a transition phase. This is us rebuilding! We don't strip it down but we'll be back and stronger, soon. If you don't want to believe that, that's your choice, but we've been doing this for decades. Sorry, but I'll take this front office over most in the league...

I’ll take an apology too. You got nothing to defend this front office on. Now they are talking about 2027? Why is that? Cuz they made so many bad decisions the past few years with band-aids to problems that they know they are **** for the next 2 years. Treadmill life bro. But don’t take my word for it, look at any front office rankings system. I have yet to see one that has the Heat front office in top 10. This analysis by cbs news absolutely tears the recent decisions the Heat have made to shreds.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-front-office-rankings-okc-on-top-lakers-and-mavericks-low-on-list-new-team-falls-behind-bulls-at-no-30/

Here’s one exerpt:

Nowadays, you either have to draft your stars or you have to stack enough assets to trade for them. The Heat not helping themselves do the former by hanging around .500 instead of accepting defeat in this era and tanking. They're not helping themselves do the latter by wasting assets on players like Rozier.

Right now, they're just sort of stuck. There doesn't appear to be much of a long-term plan beyond waiting for someone to pick them.

I know you are retired, but get your head out of 2010 mentality. The league is different.

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[Kobewade11]

I’ll take an apology too. You got nothing to defend this front office on. Now they are talking about 2027? Why is that? Cuz they made so many bad decisions the past few years with band-aids to problems that they know they are **** for the next 2 years. Treadmill life bro. But don’t take my word for it, look at any front office rankings system. I have yet to see one that has the Heat front office in top 10. This analysis by cbs news absolutely tears the recent decisions the Heat have made to shreds.

Who is "they"? I noticed this trend where a "reporter" (not anyone working with the HEAT) throws something against the wall and fans cling to it as if it came from the team, just so they can have something to argue about

[BBallFreak]

Worst playoff performance in history and you are personally attacking people for not paying attention? What games are you watching? Delete your post bro, you been under a rock for 2 years.

I wasn't personally attacking you, but now I see no need to hold back.

Go root for the God damned Kings, you front runner. We're in a transition phase. This is us rebuilding! We don't strip it down but we'll be back and stronger, soon. If you don't want to believe that, that's your choice, but we've been doing this for decades. Sorry, but I'll take this front office over most in the league...

I’ll take an apology too. You got nothing to defend this front office on. Now they are talking about 2027? Why is that? Cuz they made so many bad decisions the past few years with band-aids to problems that they know they are **** for the next 2 years. Treadmill life bro. But don’t take my word for it, look at any front office rankings system. I have yet to see one that has the Heat front office in top 10. This analysis by cbs news absolutely tears the recent decisions the Heat have made to shreds.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-front-office-rankings-okc-on-top-lakers-and-mavericks-low-on-list-new-team-falls-behind-bulls-at-no-30/

Here’s one exerpt:

Nowadays, you either have to draft your stars or you have to stack enough assets to trade for them. The Heat not helping themselves do the former by hanging around .500 instead of accepting defeat in this era and tanking. They're not helping themselves do the latter by wasting assets on players like Rozier.

Right now, they're just sort of stuck. There doesn't appear to be much of a long-term plan beyond waiting for someone to pick them.

I know you are retired, but get your head out of 2010 mentality. The league is different.

You don't get an apology for recency bias, front runner.

We've done this before. We've all seen this, over and over again. Zo and Timmy fell apart, we plummeted, drafted Wade and Caron Butler, signed Lamar Odom, and traded for Shaq! Shaq fell off a cliff, we cleared the decks and brought in the Big 3! LeBron leaves, we keep Bosh and Wade then add Dragic. Bosh retires and Wade leaves, we being in Butler! Now we're in the down cycle. Patience and history should tell you that we'll be back and sooner rather than later, but you prefer to be reactionary. Have fun with that! I'll be the calm, sane one who's seen this whole thing before...

[HeatFanLifer]

I wasn't personally attacking you, but now I see no need to hold back.

Go root for the God damned Kings, you front runner. We're in a transition phase. This is us rebuilding! We don't strip it down but we'll be back and stronger, soon. If you don't want to believe that, that's your choice, but we've been doing this for decades. Sorry, but I'll take this front office over most in the league...

I’ll take an apology too. You got nothing to defend this front office on. Now they are talking about 2027? Why is that? Cuz they made so many bad decisions the past few years with band-aids to problems that they know they are **** for the next 2 years. Treadmill life bro. But don’t take my word for it, look at any front office rankings system. I have yet to see one that has the Heat front office in top 10. This analysis by cbs news absolutely tears the recent decisions the Heat have made to shreds.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-front-office-rankings-okc-on-top-lakers-and-mavericks-low-on-list-new-team-falls-behind-bulls-at-no-30/

Here’s one exerpt:

Nowadays, you either have to draft your stars or you have to stack enough assets to trade for them. The Heat not helping themselves do the former by hanging around .500 instead of accepting defeat in this era and tanking. They're not helping themselves do the latter by wasting assets on players like Rozier.

Right now, they're just sort of stuck. There doesn't appear to be much of a long-term plan beyond waiting for someone to pick them.

I know you are retired, but get your head out of 2010 mentality. The league is different.

You don't get an apology for recency bias, front runner.

We've done this before. We've all seen this, over and over again. Zo and Timmy fell apart, we plummeted, drafted Wade and Caron Butler, signed Lamar Odom, and traded for Shaq! Shaq fell off a cliff, we cleared the decks and brought in the Big 3! LeBron leaves, we keep Bosh and Wade then add Dragic. Bosh retires and Wade leaves, we being in Butler! Now we're in the down cycle. Patience and history should tell you that we'll be back and sooner rather than later, but you prefer to be reactionary. Have fun with that! I'll be the calm, sane one who's seen this whole thing before...

Butler was a major add, but terrible decisions on complementary players followed and are still occurring.

Regarding the previous strategies, I was all for clearing cap space or tanking for talent. I still am. That was my point. That’s not happening now. What’s the strategy? Treadmill life and pray another superstar player becomes available? This aint the nba of 2010. Something you aren’t acknowledging. But hey, 2027 is right around the corner. Just two seasons of first round playoff exits left and then the Heat will most definitely probably perhaps but maybe won’t sign a whale.

[BBallFreak]

I’ll take an apology too. You got nothing to defend this front office on. Now they are talking about 2027? Why is that? Cuz they made so many bad decisions the past few years with band-aids to problems that they know they are **** for the next 2 years. Treadmill life bro. But don’t take my word for it, look at any front office rankings system. I have yet to see one that has the Heat front office in top 10. This analysis by cbs news absolutely tears the recent decisions the Heat have made to shreds.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-front-office-rankings-okc-on-top-lakers-and-mavericks-low-on-list-new-team-falls-behind-bulls-at-no-30/

Here’s one exerpt:



I know you are retired, but get your head out of 2010 mentality. The league is different.

You don't get an apology for recency bias, front runner.

We've done this before. We've all seen this, over and over again. Zo and Timmy fell apart, we plummeted, drafted Wade and Caron Butler, signed Lamar Odom, and traded for Shaq! Shaq fell off a cliff, we cleared the decks and brought in the Big 3! LeBron leaves, we keep Bosh and Wade then add Dragic. Bosh retires and Wade leaves, we being in Butler! Now we're in the down cycle. Patience and history should tell you that we'll be back and sooner rather than later, but you prefer to be reactionary. Have fun with that! I'll be the calm, sane one who's seen this whole thing before...

Butler was a major add, but terrible decisions on complementary players followed and are still occurring.

Regarding the previous strategies, I was all for clearing cap space or tanking for talent. I still am. That was my point. That’s not happening now. What’s the strategy? Treadmill life and pray another superstar player becomes available? This aint the nba of 2010. Something you aren’t acknowledging. But hey, 2027 is right around the corner. Just two seasons of first round playoff exits left and then the Heat will most definitely probably perhaps but maybe won’t sign a whale.

This is the exact same strategy we've been using. Clearing space and collecting assets while remaining competitive. It's why we tried to get a first and a useful player for Wiggins. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not exactly the same damn thing we've been doing, and yes that sometimes leads to bad choices, but I'll take the bad choices of this front office over the good choices over most front offices.

Sorry, but I've seen people like you come and go over and over, and this front office always proves them wrong...

[HeatFanLifer]

You don't get an apology for recency bias, front runner.

We've done this before. We've all seen this, over and over again. Zo and Timmy fell apart, we plummeted, drafted Wade and Caron Butler, signed Lamar Odom, and traded for Shaq! Shaq fell off a cliff, we cleared the decks and brought in the Big 3! LeBron leaves, we keep Bosh and Wade then add Dragic. Bosh retires and Wade leaves, we being in Butler! Now we're in the down cycle. Patience and history should tell you that we'll be back and sooner rather than later, but you prefer to be reactionary. Have fun with that! I'll be the calm, sane one who's seen this whole thing before...

Butler was a major add, but terrible decisions on complementary players followed and are still occurring.

Regarding the previous strategies, I was all for clearing cap space or tanking for talent. I still am. That was my point. That’s not happening now. What’s the strategy? Treadmill life and pray another superstar player becomes available? This aint the nba of 2010. Something you aren’t acknowledging. But hey, 2027 is right around the corner. Just two seasons of first round playoff exits left and then the Heat will most definitely probably perhaps but maybe won’t sign a whale.

This is the exact same strategy we've been using. Clearing space and collecting assets while remaining competitive. It's why we tried to get a first and a useful player for Wiggins. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not exactly the same damn thing we've been doing, and yes that sometimes leads to bad choices, but I'll take the bad choices of this front office over the good choices over most front offices.

Sorry, but I've seen people like you come and go over and over, and this front office always proves them wrong...

Randomly searched my old posts to see if you were right and first thing I found was this gem. Forgot I wrote this and the foresight I showed was pure brilliance. No the front office did not prove me wrong, like you claim ALWAYS occurs.



People like me just have recency bias and jump to front runner teams and all that other **** though right? Lol dude what are you even talking about at this point. Just admit you aint right, apologize for the personal attacks, and give Pat Riley a call to hire me.

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[BBallFreak]

Butler was a major add, but terrible decisions on complementary players followed and are still occurring.

Regarding the previous strategies, I was all for clearing cap space or tanking for talent. I still am. That was my point. That’s not happening now. What’s the strategy? Treadmill life and pray another superstar player becomes available? This aint the nba of 2010. Something you aren’t acknowledging. But hey, 2027 is right around the corner. Just two seasons of first round playoff exits left and then the Heat will most definitely probably perhaps but maybe won’t sign a whale.

This is the exact same strategy we've been using. Clearing space and collecting assets while remaining competitive. It's why we tried to get a first and a useful player for Wiggins. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not exactly the same damn thing we've been doing, and yes that sometimes leads to bad choices, but I'll take the bad choices of this front office over the good choices over most front offices.

Sorry, but I've seen people like you come and go over and over, and this front office always proves them wrong...

Randomly searched my old posts to see if you were right and first thing I found was this gem. Forgot I wrote this and the foresight I showed was pure brilliance. No the front office did not prove me wrong, like you claim ALWAYS occurs.



People like me just have recency bias and jump to front runner teams and all that other **** though right? Lol dude what are you even talking about at this point. Just admit you aint right, apologize for the personal attacks, and give Pat Riley a call to hire me.

What, exactly, have you been right about? That historically, Miami rebuilds well without tearing it down? That's my freaking point! Now, when we're there again, you're telling me they're not up to it? Based on some BS!

And no one personally attacked you until you inexplicably accused me of personally attacking you. And I accused you front running. Are you so thin skinned that being accused of front running is some soul crushing insult to you? Toughen up, man...

[HeatFanLifer]

This is the exact same strategy we've been using. Clearing space and collecting assets while remaining competitive. It's why we tried to get a first and a useful player for Wiggins. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not exactly the same damn thing we've been doing, and yes that sometimes leads to bad choices, but I'll take the bad choices of this front office over the good choices over most front offices.

Sorry, but I've seen people like you come and go over and over, and this front office always proves them wrong...

Randomly searched my old posts to see if you were right and first thing I found was this gem. Forgot I wrote this and the foresight I showed was pure brilliance. No the front office did not prove me wrong, like you claim ALWAYS occurs.



People like me just have recency bias and jump to front runner teams and all that other **** though right? Lol dude what are you even talking about at this point. Just admit you aint right, apologize for the personal attacks, and give Pat Riley a call to hire me.

What, exactly, have you been right about? That historically, Miami rebuilds well without tearing it down? That's my freaking point! Now, when we're there again, you're telling me they're not up to it? Based on some BS!

And no one personally attacked you until you inexplicably accused me of personally attacking you. And I accused you front running. Are you so thin skinned that being accused of front running is some soul crushing insult to you? Toughen up, man...

[MartyConlonJr]

19-20: Bubble Finals.
20-21: Herro, Jimmy, Dragic, Nunn (4 of our top 5 scorers) all miss ~20 games and Oladipo who we swung for gets injured after 4 games and never plays, in a season where the bubble finals winner (Lakers) also bow out in 1st round after shortest off-season ever.
21-22: Number 1 seed. Lose on three point miss to miss finals
22-23: NBA Finals.
23-24: Miss Herro for half a season, and Jimmy for 20, then have Jimmy injured in the play in.
24-25: Jimmy quits in a season where everyone was finally healthy. He was the exact missing piece as we struggled without a creator to get our guys in their spots.

I think we talk about the conf final and two nba finals and juxtapose them with the first round exits and play-ins, but this team has had some significant injury concerns and circumstances preventing the era from being something more.

I'm confident if Herro wasn't injured half of 23-24 and Jimmy didnt bow out in the play-in, we'd have been a 2 or 3 seed (does half a season of Herro add 3-4 wins? We had 46 wins, 2nd seed NYK had 50) and maybe been another ECF.

Also confident everything other than Jimmy clicked last season and all those blown leads wouldn't have happened and had us in 2-3 seed territory, and given how the playoffs played out, could have ended anywhere with Indy getting to the finals.

The Heat's plan was to ride out the Jimmy era this season and have a clean sheet next season. What we are seeing is a team scrambling from Jimmy's refusal to honour his contract.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

19-20: Bubble Finals.
20-21: Herro, Jimmy, Dragic, Nunn (4 of our top 5 scorers) all miss ~20 games and Oladipo who we swung for gets injured after 4 games and never plays, in a season where the bubble finals winner (Lakers) also bow out in 1st round after shortest off-season ever.
21-22: Number 1 seed. Lose on three point miss to miss finals
22-23: NBA Finals.
23-24: Miss Herro for half a season, and Jimmy for 20, then have Jimmy injured in the play in.
24-25: Jimmy quits in a season where everyone was finally healthy. He was the exact missing piece as we struggled without a creator to get our guys in their spots.

I think we talk about the conf final and two nba finals and juxtapose them with the first round exits and play-ins, but this team has had some significant injury concerns and circumstances preventing the era from being something more.

I'm confident if Herro wasn't injured half of 23-24 and Jimmy didnt bow out in the play-in, we'd have been a 2 or 3 seed (does half a season of Herro add 3-4 wins? We had 46 wins, 2nd seed NYK had 50) and maybe been another ECF.

Also confident everything other than Jimmy clicked last season and all those blown leads wouldn't have happened and had us in 2-3 seed territory, and given how the playoffs played out, could have ended anywhere with Indy getting to the finals.

The Heat's plan was to ride out the Jimmy era this season and have a clean sheet next season. What we are seeing is a team scrambling from Jimmy's refusal to honour his contract.

I'm not even that much of a glass half full type, but a lot of posters want a full glass and are just ready to chuck it at the wall if they don't get it.

[BBallFreak]

19-20: Bubble Finals.
20-21: Herro, Jimmy, Dragic, Nunn (4 of our top 5 scorers) all miss ~20 games and Oladipo who we swung for gets injured after 4 games and never plays, in a season where the bubble finals winner (Lakers) also bow out in 1st round after shortest off-season ever.
21-22: Number 1 seed. Lose on three point miss to miss finals
22-23: NBA Finals.
23-24: Miss Herro for half a season, and Jimmy for 20, then have Jimmy injured in the play in.
24-25: Jimmy quits in a season where everyone was finally healthy. He was the exact missing piece as we struggled without a creator to get our guys in their spots.

I think we talk about the conf final and two nba finals and juxtapose them with the first round exits and play-ins, but this team has had some significant injury concerns and circumstances preventing the era from being something more.

I'm confident if Herro wasn't injured half of 23-24 and Jimmy didnt bow out in the play-in, we'd have been a 2 or 3 seed (does half a season of Herro add 3-4 wins? We had 46 wins, 2nd seed NYK had 50) and maybe been another ECF.

Also confident everything other than Jimmy clicked last season and all those blown leads wouldn't have happened and had us in 2-3 seed territory, and given how the playoffs played out, could have ended anywhere with Indy getting to the finals.

The Heat's plan was to ride out the Jimmy era this season and have a clean sheet next season. What we are seeing is a team scrambling from Jimmy's refusal to honour his contract.

I'm not even that much of a glass half full type, but a lot of posters want a full glass and are just ready to chuck it at the wall if they don't get it.

Yup. We make mistakes, like every other team, but some people like to amplify the mistakes and gloss over everything we've done and are doing. How does anyone not see we've been building assets by developing players?

Imagine if, when we'd signed James Johnson and Dion Walters, they'd become decent assets? Or if Whiteside had become an all-star?

That's literally where we're at now! We have two all-star caliber players and a bunch of tradable youth. Why are we not amplifying that?

[twix2500]

The team was so incohesive last season I understand the lack of trust but to think the Heat was going to have a contender after trading their center piece player was just way too high of expectation. After Lakers traded Shaq the Lakers sucked with Kobe. Not sure why the expectation some had for the Heat.

Heat are not done remodeling the team. The Heat are willing to trade players to get the type of players they are looking for. Its only been half a season since they started to build around Herro and Bam.

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I havent checked in this thread in about a day and a half.. please let me know if anyone here tried to make an argument that Herro is a contender/franchise player caliber starter while i was gone… i got to keep these fools in check and i cant miss..

[insfo]

I havent checked in this thread in about a day and a half.. please let me know if anyone here tried to make an argument that Herro is a contender/franchise player caliber starter while i was gone… i got to keep these fools in check and i cant miss..