State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[Mr B]

Have you been sleeping with Micah and Mariner?

I’m not being a homer. It’s not that hard to understand. You have a family with a huge ego that sees themselves as the marquee family in football. It’s just makes sense that they would want one of their own to play for the most popular franchise in the NFL. Hell even Romo got a sweet tv gig before he was even ready to retire. Arch has everything lined up for him in Dallas if they want it.

Again I’m not saying it’s a given Arch will end up in Dallas. I’m just saying that things are lining up that way. Arch is draft eligible in a year when it’s possible for the Cowboys to get the #1 pick.

I know you guys are pulling your hair out over that thought, but it’s a real possibility.

Its probably a good idea you don't own your own business. Would you still be in business if it was a failure the first 30 years. What would be left for your kids.

What are you talking about?

[Mariner]

Mr. B. Time to put the bottle of whiskey away for the night. Geez.

We all understand why and how you feel about the Cowboys. You have the right to feel the way you want. Not everyone feels the same way though. There are WAY more people that still love the Cowboys even if you don’t.

I still love the Pre -Jerry Jones era Cowboys. The real Cowboys. Nothing to love the last 30 years. We never would have put up with Jerry back in the 70's. No way in hell. We would have forced him to sell the team at the very least.

You do realize that the Jerry era won more super-bowls than the pre Jerry era?
But I do wish he sold the team.

[Mariner]

Have you been sleeping with Micah and Mariner?

I’m not being a homer. It’s not that hard to understand. You have a family with a huge ego that sees themselves as the marquee family in football. It’s just makes sense that they would want one of their own to play for the most popular franchise in the NFL. Hell even Romo got a sweet tv gig before he was even ready to retire. Arch has everything lined up for him in Dallas if they want it.

Again I’m not saying it’s a given Arch will end up in Dallas. I’m just saying that things are lining up that way. Arch is draft eligible in a year when it’s possible for the Cowboys to get the #1 pick.

I know you guys are pulling your hair out over that thought, but it’s a real possibility.

Its probably a good idea you don't own your own business. Would you still be in business if it was a failure the first 30 years. What would be left for your kids.

The last 30 years was not the first 30 years for his business.
His first 30 years was above average.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I’m not being a homer. It’s not that hard to understand. You have a family with a huge ego that sees themselves as the marquee family in football. It’s just makes sense that they would want one of their own to play for the most popular franchise in the NFL. Hell even Romo got a sweet tv gig before he was even ready to retire. Arch has everything lined up for him in Dallas if they want it.

Again I’m not saying it’s a given Arch will end up in Dallas. I’m just saying that things are lining up that way. Arch is draft eligible in a year when it’s possible for the Cowboys to get the #1 pick.

I know you guys are pulling your hair out over that thought, but it’s a real possibility.

Its probably a good idea you don't own your own business. Would you still be in business if it was a failure the first 30 years. What would be left for your kids.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about a GM that has been a total failure for 30 years and still has a job. If Jerry didn't have to answer to himself he would have been fired a very long time ago.

[bluejerseyjinx]

We all understand why and how you feel about the Cowboys. You have the right to feel the way you want. Not everyone feels the same way though. There are WAY more people that still love the Cowboys even if you don’t.

I still love the Pre -Jerry Jones era Cowboys. The real Cowboys. Nothing to love the last 30 years. We never would have put up with Jerry back in the 70's. No way in hell. We would have forced him to sell the team at the very least.

You do realize that the Jerry era won more super-bowls than the pre Jerry era?
But I do wish he sold the team.

And yet, I wouldn't trade the 20 year span from 1966-1985 the we went through. Not one losing season and only missed the playoffs once during that span. (Got screwed out of a tie breaker to Washington in 1974 in a strike year). Exciting times back then. winning the division and going to the playoffs was a given every year. It was always a matter of how far the run would always be.
Sure the back to back was awesome. 3 in 4 years was also great. Only the Patriots have matched that in NFL history. But go back and look at what happened there. The 92, 93 Cowboy teams might be the best team ever in NFL history. The OL was the best I have ever seen in the NFL. Point I'm trying to make is that team was so good the Cowboys should have won more than 3 Super Bowls. But Jerry had to start making his mark on things by first forcing Jimmy out of here and everything has gone down hill since then to what we have today. I can see it, today's Cowboys fans just don't see it because you don't have anything to compare it to in your shorter life spans. I do. Except for the very beginning and the very end, the Tom Landry era of 29 years WAS THE DALLAS COWBOYS from beginning to end. I'm not yet sure what to call these last 30 years. But going through 30 years of misery isn't worth back to back Super Bowls once every 40 years or so.

[Mariner]

I still love the Pre -Jerry Jones era Cowboys. The real Cowboys. Nothing to love the last 30 years. We never would have put up with Jerry back in the 70's. No way in hell. We would have forced him to sell the team at the very least.

You do realize that the Jerry era won more super-bowls than the pre Jerry era?
But I do wish he sold the team.

And yet, I wouldn't trade the 20 year span from 1966-1985 the we went through. Not one losing season and only missed the playoffs once during that span. (Got screwed out of a tie breaker to Washington in 1974 in a strike year). Exciting times back then. winning the division and going to the playoffs was a given every year. It was always a matter of how far the run would always be.
Sure the back to back was awesome. 3 in 4 years was also great. Only the Patriots have matched that in NFL history. But go back and look at what happened there. The 92, 93 Cowboy teams might be the best team ever in NFL history. The OL was the best I have ever seen in the NFL. Point I'm trying to make is that team was so good the Cowboys should have won more than 3 Super Bowls. But Jerry had to start making his mark on things by first forcing Jimmy out of here and everything has gone down hill since then to what we have today. I can see it, today's Cowboys fans just don't see it because you don't have anything to compare it to in your shorter life spans. I do. Except for the very beginning and the very end, the Tom Landry era of 29 years WAS THE DALLAS COWBOYS from beginning to end. I'm not yet sure what to call these last 30 years. But going through 30 years of misery isn't worth back to back Super Bowls once every 40 years or so.

All fair points. I wish he sold the team.
If you can criticize him for forcing Jimmy out can you praise him for hiring Jimmy? It was a very controversial hiring at the time. Firing an icon like Landry and hiring a college coach was heavily scrutinized.
He’s definitely got to go cause the fans deserve better but it hasn’t been all bad.

[Mr B]

Its probably a good idea you don't own your own business. Would you still be in business if it was a failure the first 30 years. What would be left for your kids.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about a GM that has been a total failure for 30 years and still has a job. If Jerry didn't have to answer to himself he would have been fired a very long time ago.

I think you are confusing what I would do if I were Jerry and what Jerry actually does. Just because I’m talking about the possibility of trading Micah doesn’t not mean I would run the team the same way Jerry does.

Also just because you feel a certain way doesn’t mean everyone feels that way. That includes Jerry Jones. You and I may feel like he’s a loser because he hasn’t won anything of significance in the last 30 years but I guarantee you that he doesn’t feel that way. He ties business into on field success. On the field he’s a “pussy loser” but off the field (in business) there’s really no one better. He knows how to market the hell out of his team.

[Mr B]

You do realize that the Jerry era won more super-bowls than the pre Jerry era?
But I do wish he sold the team.

And yet, I wouldn't trade the 20 year span from 1966-1985 the we went through. Not one losing season and only missed the playoffs once during that span. (Got screwed out of a tie breaker to Washington in 1974 in a strike year). Exciting times back then. winning the division and going to the playoffs was a given every year. It was always a matter of how far the run would always be.
Sure the back to back was awesome. 3 in 4 years was also great. Only the Patriots have matched that in NFL history. But go back and look at what happened there. The 92, 93 Cowboy teams might be the best team ever in NFL history. The OL was the best I have ever seen in the NFL. Point I'm trying to make is that team was so good the Cowboys should have won more than 3 Super Bowls. But Jerry had to start making his mark on things by first forcing Jimmy out of here and everything has gone down hill since then to what we have today. I can see it, today's Cowboys fans just don't see it because you don't have anything to compare it to in your shorter life spans. I do. Except for the very beginning and the very end, the Tom Landry era of 29 years WAS THE DALLAS COWBOYS from beginning to end. I'm not yet sure what to call these last 30 years. But going through 30 years of misery isn't worth back to back Super Bowls once every 40 years or so.

All fair points. I wish he sold the team.
If you can criticize him for forcing Jimmy out can you praise him for hiring Jimmy? It was a very controversial hiring at the time. Firing an icon like Landry and hiring a college coach was heavily scrutinized.
He’s definitely got to go cause the fans deserve better but it hasn’t been all bad.

People seem to forget that Jimmy Johnson was not a popular hire back in 1989. Hiring college coaches was not as popular back then as it is now. Teams were not fighting over who would get to hire Jimmy Johnson. Hiring him to coach the team was all Jerry Jones. I don’t like the way he runs the team but he does deserve credit for that as much as he gets blame for giving Jimmy a reason to leave the team.

[Micah Prescott]

If you get a dynasty of 3 SBs once every 40 years you are well above what the league average would mathematically dictate of 1 SB win every 32 years.

Just saying, as much as Cowboy fans complain, most other franchises do not have it as good.

[Micah Prescott]

I'd also venture to say that had Jerry not bought the team, in all likelihood the Cowboys Franchise would have LESS SB wins than it does right now.

Might have 1 or 2 without him. But probably not 3, and very unlikely would have won 4 or more. Would have somehow have to have lucked into both Brady and Belichick for that.

[Cactus Jack]

I'd also venture to say that had Jerry not bought the team, in all likelihood the Cowboys Franchise would have LESS SB wins than it does right now.

Might have 1 or 2 without him. But probably not 3, and very unlikely would have won 4 or more. Would have somehow have to have lucked into both Brady and Belichick for that.

Good points.

If Jerry doesn't buy the team, then Jimmy never would've been the coach. Which means no 90's dynasty. The team probably would've been pretty mediocre during that time.

It's a total crapshoot when it comes to owners. I mean you just as easily could've had someone like Dan Snyder buy the team back then. You just never know...

[Mr B]

I'd also venture to say that had Jerry not bought the team, in all likelihood the Cowboys Franchise would have LESS SB wins than it does right now.

Might have 1 or 2 without him. But probably not 3, and very unlikely would have won 4 or more. Would have somehow have to have lucked into both Brady and Belichick for that.

Tom Landry was a legend but the game had passed him by when Jerry fired him. Based on how Jerry hires coaches there’s a good chance someone like Lindy Infante or Marty Schottenheimer would have been his choice. Instead he hired Jimmy when no one else in the NFL wanted him.

[Mr B]

I'd also venture to say that had Jerry not bought the team, in all likelihood the Cowboys Franchise would have LESS SB wins than it does right now.

Might have 1 or 2 without him. But probably not 3, and very unlikely would have won 4 or more. Would have somehow have to have lucked into both Brady and Belichick for that.

Good points.

If Jerry doesn't buy the team, then Jimmy never would've been the coach. Which means no 90's dynasty. The team probably would've been pretty mediocre during that time.

It's a total crapshoot when it comes to owners. I mean you just as easily could've had someone like Dan Snyder buy the team back then. You just never know...

The funny thing is that if Jerry had not bought the Cowboys there’s a chance it would have been either Robert Kraft or Leffrey Lurie who bought the Cowboys. They both became owners in 1994.

[Cactus Jack]

I'd also venture to say that had Jerry not bought the team, in all likelihood the Cowboys Franchise would have LESS SB wins than it does right now.

Might have 1 or 2 without him. But probably not 3, and very unlikely would have won 4 or more. Would have somehow have to have lucked into both Brady and Belichick for that.

Good points.

If Jerry doesn't buy the team, then Jimmy never would've been the coach. Which means no 90's dynasty. The team probably would've been pretty mediocre during that time.

It's a total crapshoot when it comes to owners. I mean you just as easily could've had someone like Dan Snyder buy the team back then. You just never know...

The funny thing is that if Jerry had not bought the Cowboys there’s a chance it would have been either Robert Kraft or Leffrey Lurie who bought the Cowboys. They both became owners in 1994.

Lurie tried to buy the Patriots but was outbid by Kraft. Neither guy made a serious attempt at buying the Cowboys prior to Jerry buying them.

[Mr B]

Good points.

If Jerry doesn't buy the team, then Jimmy never would've been the coach. Which means no 90's dynasty. The team probably would've been pretty mediocre during that time.

It's a total crapshoot when it comes to owners. I mean you just as easily could've had someone like Dan Snyder buy the team back then. You just never know...

The funny thing is that if Jerry had not bought the Cowboys there’s a chance it would have been either Robert Kraft or Leffrey Lurie who bought the Cowboys. They both became owners in 1994.

Lurie tried to buy the Patriots but was outbid by Kraft. Neither guy made a serious attempt at buying the Cowboys prior to Jerry buying them.

Right, Jerry had already bought the team. Since you clearly didn’t read the thread we are talking about if Jerry never bought the team in 1989. If the team was still up for sale when Lurie and Kraft were ready to buy there’s a chance one of them would have bought the Cowboys instead of the Patriots or Eagles. Even at that time the Cowboys had a bigger brand name than either the Pats or Eagles.

[Cactus Jack]

The funny thing is that if Jerry had not bought the Cowboys there’s a chance it would have been either Robert Kraft or Leffrey Lurie who bought the Cowboys. They both became owners in 1994.

Lurie tried to buy the Patriots but was outbid by Kraft. Neither guy made a serious attempt at buying the Cowboys prior to Jerry buying them.

Right, Jerry had already bought the team. Since you clearly didn’t read the thread we are talking about if Jerry never bought the team in 1989. If the team was still up for sale when Lurie and Kraft were ready to buy there’s a chance one of them would have bought the Cowboys instead of the Patriots or Eagles. Even at that time the Cowboys had a bigger brand name than either the Pats or Eagles.

Typically, teams don't stay on the market that long lol. If Jerry didn't come along, then someone else would have, but there's no evidence that Kraft or Lurie had any intent on doing so. The Patriots we're sold in 1993 & the Eagles in '94.

[bluejerseyjinx]

We all understand why and how you feel about the Cowboys. You have the right to feel the way you want. Not everyone feels the same way though. There are WAY more people that still love the Cowboys even if you don’t.

I still love the Pre -Jerry Jones era Cowboys. The real Cowboys. Nothing to love the last 30 years. We never would have put up with Jerry back in the 70's. No way in hell. We would have forced him to sell the team at the very least.

You do realize that the Jerry era won more super-bowls than the pre Jerry era?
But I do wish he sold the team.

Really. You even have to ask about Cowboy history when I lived it and you have only read about it. Really. This is exactly what I have mean't the past few years that new generation fans really don't understand when comparing the 2 generations of Cowboy Nation. We have a 29 year history starting out from nothing and all the new generation has to hold on to is the first few years of the Jimmy Johnson era. Everything else has been a total disaster the other 30+ years.
You think 3 Super bowls wipes out 30 years of hell and football purgatory. So what, 3 Super Bowls to our 2. We still went to more Super Bowls and played in 12 NFC Championship games in a 17 year span. Don't even remember all the division titles, that was pretty much a given at the time. 21 of 29 years our legendary head coach made the playoffs despite starting out from nothing and not even having a draft our first year. Every team in the NFL had to drop their worst 4 or 5 players in 1960 and that was our draft back then. So the first year Landry and the Cowboys got a raw deal starting out from nothing. That's pretty much how we were able to get Bob Lilly in 1961 with the #1 pick. After Landry's legendary draft in 1964, we were on our way and made out first championship game in 1966 just 5 years later. Quite a feat if you ask me starting out from absolutely nothing.
But see, these are some of the times we lived through as Cowboy fans and went through that the new generation doesn't understand and takes for granted even till this day. Once again, it took us 5 years from absolutely nothing starting out. So this current 30 year stretch doesn't make a damn bit of sense to any of us.
One of my favorite times being a Cowboy fan was a year that we lost in the Super bowl ( What a sorry assed loser I am) to the Steelers in 1975-76. After back to back Super Bowls and 4 straight NFC title games, the whole NFL kept telling us that the Cowboys and Landry were going to fade away for a few years and rebuild. I mean George Andrie, Bob Lilly, Bob Hayes, Duane Thomas, Walt Garrison, Chuck Howley, Lance Alworth, etc., all gone, retiring, we were done, right? But Landry and Tex Schramm had different ideas, a vision, a plan (something today's Cowboys don't have) and where ready. Drafted Harvey Martin the year before along with Ed "Too Tall" Jones and then, again hit big time like in 1964, with Randy White, Hollywood Henderson and the dirty dozen. This was the year Landry once again proved everyone wrong and cemented his legendary legacy forever IMHO/ We became the first wild card team to make it to the Super bowl despite the odds and what everyone was saying about us at the time. As a matter of fact we went to 3 of the next 4 Super bowls after that draft. Did we win them all? No, but there is no way I trade all those wonderful memories over what we have now and the past 30 years. No way. Those were great times in Cowboy history. Plus in my heart, I believe in 1975 is when America's team was born and we started to get labled as such. But the new generation just treats and takes all those times and stories for granted and pisses all over everything like it doesn't matter and we are all just a bunch of old, senile, blow hards that don't matter anymore or know our football.

[bluejerseyjinx]

The funny thing is that if Jerry had not bought the Cowboys there’s a chance it would have been either Robert Kraft or Leffrey Lurie who bought the Cowboys. They both became owners in 1994.

Lurie tried to buy the Patriots but was outbid by Kraft. Neither guy made a serious attempt at buying the Cowboys prior to Jerry buying them.

Right, Jerry had already bought the team. Since you clearly didn’t read the thread we are talking about if Jerry never bought the team in 1989. If the team was still up for sale when Lurie and Kraft were ready to buy there’s a chance one of them would have bought the Cowboys instead of the Patriots or Eagles. Even at that time the Cowboys had a bigger brand name than either the Pats or Eagles.

After Cliff Murchinson sold the team, we had a different owner for a year or 2 before Jerry bought it. Can't remember at the moment who it was.

[Micah Prescott]

Kraft has been super lucky as an owner. Lucky to have drafted Brady in the late rounds, and then again lucky that Bledsoe got injured so that Tom could play. And then lucky again for the tuck rule, and then lucky again that Pete Carrol decided to pass instead of run.

I mean, I do think Kraft is a great owner and all, but he's been about as fortunate as an owner can be.

[Otis Driftwood]

Bum Bright… wanted to fire Tom Landry but Tex Schramm kept that from happening.