Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[vvoland]

It might have clarified for th FO what they had (and didn’t have), and buffed his shiny object value for an early trade.

Yeah, the Warriors put themselves into this position by the way they have handled Jk since the end of the '23 season. He had filled in for Wiggins while he was on sabbatical and played pretty well helping the Warriors secure the 6th seed. Then once the playoffs started they went back to Wiggins and had JK on a super short leash.

Jonathan Kuminga benefitted from increased playing time in March, averaging a career-best 14.2 points on 59.5 percent from the field and 44.1 percent from three.

Kuminga averaged double-digit points for four consecutive months to end the regular season before seeing his minutes significantly reduce in the postseason. After playing 67 games (16 starts) and 20.8 minutes per game in the regular season, he played in 10 playoff games (zero starts) and played 6.1 minutes per game in the postseason.

The time to trade JK was after the season was over and they had decided to stick with Draymond by giving him an extension. Instead JK has had his role and playing time jerked around for the past two seasons and are now stuck with a RFA who doesn't want to be on the team and no good avenues for getting value back for him.

I like what Houston did with Whitmore by sending him out when they realized there was not going to be a defined role and minutes for him to develop.

To be fair, I think trading JK wasn't as obvious a move at those earlier points in time, even if he would have had more value. There was still hope JK could improve. The team tried playing a frontcourt of Dray-JK-Wiggins and it had some success. It was the trade for Butler that made JK expendable. They play the same position. There is no question JK's value is at its lowest point right now.

Most likely. Coming off his first injury, worst year, out of contract, and is RFA. All of those are conspiring to drive down his value even before you get to the DNP-CDs, shot selection, off-ball defense, etc.

If healthy from Oct to Feb, I can't imagine he won't build up more value than he currently has. Just getting off the BYC/S&T restrictions should double the amount of teams that are able to look at him.

P.S. Just a hunch but I'm pretty sure he would have been in Canada for the last two years if Siakam had a desire to play in the bay and showed an interest in extending when we were talking to the raptors.

[Twinkie defense]

Kuminga was scoring in the heat of the playoffs though and I would think teams would notice that and imagine what that might look like on their teams, instead of in the Warriors rigid system.

[vvoland]

Kuminga was scoring in the heat of the playoffs though and I would think teams would notice that and imagine what that might look like on their teams, instead of in the Warriors rigid system.

To your point, I don't think JK's low value is as much to do with his play as it does his situation. No leverage, restricted free agency, dubs were never looking to use the NTMLE so can afford to wait it out. Only one team with cap space and they got a great pick to use up most of it. That's before we even get to the fact that almost 0 RFAs have received an offer from an outside team in YEARS.

The fact that everyone's favorite wing defender was, constantly, getting put through the rim by JK, in playoff games, probably interested some people. That was with Rudy behind McD, and no offensive help for JK. But 4-6 games isn't enough to overcome the built in disadvantages RFA face, unless he's a true star.

[EvanZ]

Why would that suck for Bulls fans? I get that it may suck for Giddey. Now, *if* it starts at $20M, that would be about 4/90 with 8% raises.

Because vvoland has this insane notion that Giddey is a pedophile. Because you know HE HAS DAUGHTERS.

As to the deal terms, they seem very reasonable if true.

I can't believe you decided to double down on this, AGAIN.

Yes, Giddey IS a pedophile. Not because I have daughters but because, as a 21 year old, he had an multi-month sexual relationship with a 15 year old. Oh, i'm sorry, he's not a pedophile because the child in question may have had physical features that made her look like less of a child (i'm actually not sure since I never saw a picture but Evan seems certain). So yes, JG isn't a pedophile in the strict dictionary definition. He's a child rapist.

Keep defending all of this stuff, Evan, and you will only make yourself look worse than you already have, you feeble-minded gout survivor.

I ignore all the nonsense because it's just silly. But "gout survivor"? I literally have no clue what you're implying. That's just weird bro.

[Old_Blue]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

The moderators aren't likely to do anything. Perhaps they condone his views? Who knows. Alternatively, you might want to consider blocking Evan. Prior to doing so myself, I showed some of his posts to a friend who's a psychologist. They described the writer as a "danger to the community." All in all, it's been a very disturbing chapter in the history of this forum.

[EvanZ]

quote where I wrote "we are better off relying on 35-year old Seth Curry than Keon Ellis" and you won't read another word from me.

Don’t waste your time.

Some people are here just to feel like they are the smartest guy in the room and not for discussion….unless of course you already agree with them.

I really appreciated the stuff CDM brought to this board, the advanced stats, nuanced takes, etc. He was, however, extremely condescending and impatient. As a result, once he left the board, the level of discourse actually rose and I felt like posters were more respectful and patient. With a few minor exceptions and despite the loss of, objectively, good content, I think the board is in a better place.

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

Honestly you should be much closer to getting kicked out of here than me because you're accusing me of defending pedophilia which clearly I am not doing, and you have already admitted Giddey is not a pedophile.

You have no logical consistency in your arguments and you are essentially committing libel. You also suggested LITERALLY SHOOTING GIDDEY WITH A GUN. I am not accusing anyone here of anything illegal. So it's very weird that you'd say I should be "booted" when in reality it's exactly the opposite. You contribute almost nothing of basketball value and accused people of crimes. Weird.

[EvanZ]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

The moderators aren't likely to do anything. Perhaps they condone his views? Who knows. Alternatively, you might want to consider blocking Evan. Prior to doing so myself, I showed some of his posts to a friend who's a psychologist. They described the writer as a "danger to the community." All in all, it's been a very disturbing chapter in the history of this forum.

LMAO I should have been like vvoland and said I WOULD MURDER GIDDEY.

Completely normal!

[vvoland]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

The moderators aren't likely to do anything. Perhaps they condone his views? Who knows. Alternatively, you might want to consider blocking Evan. Prior to doing so myself, I showed some of his posts to a friend who's a psychologist. They described the writer as a "danger to the community." All in all, it's been a very disturbing chapter in the history of this forum.

I agree, this is a verrrrry dark turn for this board and while Evan is the only one that continues to express his unqualified support, a number of other posters distinguished themselves with their takes on this situation. Since it was, usually, qualified with some caveats and a throw away post, I'm more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt and figure they're just being controversial for the sake of it. Evan has been far too consistent and adamant in his take on this that I can't, in good faith, just chalk it up to him hating me, JK, me writing about JK, etc.

The only reason I'm not blocking him is to not cede the space. I expected him to continue his full-throated defense of child rape and he lived up to my low expectations. I reserve the right to call him out for his disgusting words, if only because I know there are 10 people reading this for every 1 person posting. I expect a number of those folks to be young enough to be relevant to this discussion.

Evan is a prolific poster (just meaning he does it a lot), is respected for his bball opinions, and, typically, provides some evidence for his thoughts. That makes him so much more dangerous when he espouses such heinous shtttt, as he seems reasonable in other settings and some impressionable 19 year my actually get the idea that raping a 15 year is fine. I agree with your psychologist friend that he is very likely to be a danger to the community. That is the main reason I keep calling Evan out. I remember reading this forum for years before I decided to actively post and engage in the discussion. I don't want to condone, if only with my silence, the views Evan is trying to normalize/excuse/promote.

Before Evan decided to go down this road, I never responded to who posted, just the post itself. I never even noticed until I had reasons to check. I'll have to make an exception and stop engaging with Evan, at all, until he, again, decides to defend the indefensible.

[vvoland]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

The moderators aren't likely to do anything. Perhaps they condone his views? Who knows. Alternatively, you might want to consider blocking Evan. Prior to doing so myself, I showed some of his posts to a friend who's a psychologist. They described the writer as a "danger to the community." All in all, it's been a very disturbing chapter in the history of this forum.

LMAO I should have been like vvoland and said I WOULD MURDER GIDDEY.

Completely normal!

For the last time and for the one idiot in the back: I never said I would murder Giddey, OR that it is OK to shoot people, OR that it happens everyday and no one should be upset about it. And I'll put this in all caps so you have a better chance of reading it, I SAID WHAT I MIGHT DO IF I WAS THE FATHER OF A 15 YEAR OLD THAT WAS RAPED BY A 19 YEAR OLD. In fact, I even said it is an unreasonable reaction but I would be likely to act unreasonably if that was MY CHILD. Since you are purposefully not understanding that difference, I hope other readers do.

Again, I'm not calling you or JG a pedophile in the dictionary sense, only in the commonly understood sense in the public consciousness (read about why Kendrick is accusing Drake of pedophilia, if you're still confused what I mean).

If you'd prefer, I'll be more consistent and say you do NOT defend/normalize/promote pedophilia. You have, however, defended/normalized/promoted child rape.

Does that work for you?

[statsman]

Oh dear lord ...

[EvanZ]

Fwiw I put vvoland on my ignore list. Only want to talk about basketball and since he doesn't provide any value there, no need to listen to the static.

[jg77]

Anyway...

What would Podz get back for us in this market? lol

[ILOVEIT]

Poz is the next Steve Nash? Debate! lol

[Old_Blue]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

I don't know what EvanZ's deal is. Considering this is a basketball forum, he has a strange posting history...

Quick question. Did you know you were straight *before* the first time you had sex with a woman? How did you know? Did you choose to be attracted to women before you had sex with one or do you like flip a coin or something? Did you give men a fair shot? Just curious. I mean, if it's a choice, no harm, no foul right? Try both and see what you like, then make a decision...right?

[Twinkie defense]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

[Dubs 707]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

I don't know what EvanZ's deal is. Considering this is a basketball forum, he has a strange posting history...

Quick question. Did you know you were straight *before* the first time you had sex with a woman? How did you know? Did you choose to be attracted to women before you had sex with one or do you like flip a coin or something? Did you give men a fair shot? Just curious. I mean, if it's a choice, no harm, no foul right? Try both and see what you like, then make a decision...right?

I got flagged for a comment, yet I’ve seen worse stuff fly under the radar here.

Honestly, I only ended up here after ProSportsDaily shut down, and the quality just isn’t the same.

It’s frustrating seeing the same handful of users repeating the same opinions without much room for actual debate. I guess Reddit is where the better discussions are happening these days.

[vvoland]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

I don't know what EvanZ's deal is. Considering this is a basketball forum, he has a strange posting history...

Quick question. Did you know you were straight *before* the first time you had sex with a woman? How did you know? Did you choose to be attracted to women before you had sex with one or do you like flip a coin or something? Did you give men a fair shot? Just curious. I mean, if it's a choice, no harm, no foul right? Try both and see what you like, then make a decision...right?

I got flagged for a comment, yet I’ve seen worse stuff fly under the radar here.

Honestly, I only ended up here after ProSportsDaily shut down, and the quality just isn’t the same.

It’s frustrating seeing the same handful of users repeating the same opinions without much room for actual debate. I guess Reddit is where the better discussions are happening these days.

Pretty sure I got here the same way except it was espn's forums, if I recall. Either way, I doubt there's a good place, on the internet, to talk sports (or any subject). People have gotten far too comfortable with having their mouth write checks their body can't cash. The internet makes it possible so now, the overton window is too far gone. We can only hope the pendulum will swing back around as consequences for one's digital footprint become as real as the consequences we see in the real world.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

Should not.

[whatisacenter]

Evan is like a off-brand version of CDM. None of the valuable takes & data CDM brought but with all of the arrogance and condescension. Topped with an obsession with defending pedophilia and child rape. Once he says something heinous enough to get booted by the moderators, the board will be a much healthier place. I clearly disagree with most of the posters here but, for the most part, we find a way to do so in an adult manner. Plus, none of them defend raping children.

I don't know what EvanZ's deal is. Considering this is a basketball forum, he has a strange posting history...

Quick question. Did you know you were straight *before* the first time you had sex with a woman? How did you know? Did you choose to be attracted to women before you had sex with one or do you like flip a coin or something? Did you give men a fair shot? Just curious. I mean, if it's a choice, no harm, no foul right? Try both and see what you like, then make a decision...right?

I got flagged for a comment, yet I’ve seen worse stuff fly under the radar here.

Honestly, I only ended up here after ProSportsDaily shut down, and the quality just isn’t the same.

It’s frustrating seeing the same handful of users repeating the same opinions without much room for actual debate. I guess Reddit is where the better discussions are happening these days.

LOL, I got flagged for saying Stan on the general board.

[cpower]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson