BOS — LAL — UTA

[Mavrelous]

All evidence to the contrary.

Neither is more than a 10-15 min bench player anymore and whether you look at the past 1yr, 2yr, or 3yr increments, Love is far superior in that role. Comparing Love's continued strength on the boards to Kleber's anemic rebounding by comparison plus his ability still to stretch the floor... it's no contest whatsoever.

Look in the PO, Maxi was 17MPG on finals team, Love was garbage time player on 1st rd exit.
Maxi has always been useful switch big who can hit the open shot.

that was 2 years ago and i dont think hes that same guy anymore based on last year. maybe he bounces back but i'm skeptical

What you're saying is very likely, even 2 year ago he missed the entire OKC series and parts of Wolves series, but at least there is a chance, Love is a locker room guy at this point, there is no juice to squeeze.

[SkyHook]

Disagree, Kleber is a legit rotation player when healthy, Love serves no value on the court.

All evidence to the contrary.

Neither is more than a 10-15 min bench player anymore and whether you look at the past 1yr, 2yr, or 3yr increments, Love is far superior in that role. Comparing Love's continued strength on the boards to Kleber's anemic rebounding by comparison plus his ability still to stretch the floor... it's no contest whatsoever.

Look in the PO, Maxi was 17MPG on finals team, Love was garbage time player on 1st rd exit.
Maxi has always been useful switch big who can hit the open shot.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it's interesting that you point to the 2024 playoffs. There's a ready comparison, as both Dallas and Miami were eliminated by Boston in five games. In those respective series:
• Kleber played 80 min, pulled down 7 total rebounds (5.0 TRB%), had a TS% of 35%, and ORtg/Drtg of 81/113.
• Love played 32 min, pulled down 14 total rebounds (25.8 TRB%), had a TS% of 50%, and ORtg/Drtg of 92/116.

Sure, it's small sample size theater and neither was outstanding, but I don't see anything there that even remotely favors Kleber in terms of impact. Love was simply better across the board in a much larger sample size during that regular season as well.

For 10-15 min/game, I'm far more confident in Love's ability to secure a key rebound or make a big shot than I am with Kleber.

[Mavrelous]

All evidence to the contrary.

Neither is more than a 10-15 min bench player anymore and whether you look at the past 1yr, 2yr, or 3yr increments, Love is far superior in that role. Comparing Love's continued strength on the boards to Kleber's anemic rebounding by comparison plus his ability still to stretch the floor... it's no contest whatsoever.

Look in the PO, Maxi was 17MPG on finals team, Love was garbage time player on 1st rd exit.
Maxi has always been useful switch big who can hit the open shot.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it's interesting that you point to the 2024 playoffs. There's a ready comparison, as both Dallas and Miami were eliminated by Boston in five games. In those respective series:
• Kleber played 80 min, pulled down 7 total rebounds (5.0 TRB%), had a TS% of 35%, and ORtg/Drtg of 81/113.
• Love played 32 min, pulled down 14 total rebounds (25.8 TRB%), had a TS% of 50%, and ORtg/Drtg of 92/116.

Sure, it's small sample size theater and neither was outstanding, but I don't see anything there that even remotely favors Kleber in terms of impact. Love was simply better across the board in a much larger sample size during that regular season as well.

For 10-15 min/game, I'm far more confident in Love's ability to secure a key rebound or make a big shot than I am with Kleber.

Love was the 11th player, and played 6MPG on a really bad team who had no bigs except Bam.
Maxi was 8th man playing behind Lively, Gafford and PJ and next to Luka who is a 9RPG himself, comparing TRB% isn't serious, nor is TS%...
Love is not seeing floor on the Lakers, Maxi has never had a healthy season, if you want to insist on Love being better, yeah, agree to disagree, I find this argument to be silly.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

All evidence to the contrary.

Neither is more than a 10-15 min bench player anymore and whether you look at the past 1yr, 2yr, or 3yr increments, Love is far superior in that role. Comparing Love's continued strength on the boards to Kleber's anemic rebounding by comparison plus his ability still to stretch the floor... it's no contest whatsoever.

Look in the PO, Maxi was 17MPG on finals team, Love was garbage time player on 1st rd exit.
Maxi has always been useful switch big who can hit the open shot.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it's interesting that you point to the 2024 playoffs. There's a ready comparison, as both Dallas and Miami were eliminated by Boston in five games. In those respective series:
• Kleber played 80 min, pulled down 7 total rebounds (5.0 TRB%), had a TS% of 35%, and ORtg/Drtg of 81/113.
• Love played 32 min, pulled down 14 total rebounds (25.8 TRB%), had a TS% of 50%, and ORtg/Drtg of 92/116.

Sure, it's small sample size theater and neither was outstanding, but I don't see anything there that even remotely favors Kleber in terms of impact. Love was simply better across the board in a much larger sample size during that regular season as well.

For 10-15 min/game, I'm far more confident in Love's ability to secure a key rebound or make a big shot than I am with Kleber.

Compare their defense now. What about the other series the Mavs played in 2024? How Maxi do. Not sure it's a fair comparison. I have no faith in a 37 year old Love bouncing backs from years of decline. He is coming off a 48TS% season.

[SkyHook]

Look in the PO, Maxi was 17MPG on finals team, Love was garbage time player on 1st rd exit.
Maxi has always been useful switch big who can hit the open shot.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it's interesting that you point to the 2024 playoffs. There's a ready comparison, as both Dallas and Miami were eliminated by Boston in five games. In those respective series:
• Kleber played 80 min, pulled down 7 total rebounds (5.0 TRB%), had a TS% of 35%, and ORtg/Drtg of 81/113.
• Love played 32 min, pulled down 14 total rebounds (25.8 TRB%), had a TS% of 50%, and ORtg/Drtg of 92/116.

Sure, it's small sample size theater and neither was outstanding, but I don't see anything there that even remotely favors Kleber in terms of impact. Love was simply better across the board in a much larger sample size during that regular season as well.

For 10-15 min/game, I'm far more confident in Love's ability to secure a key rebound or make a big shot than I am with Kleber.

Love was the 11th player, and played 6MPG on a really bad team who had no bigs except Bam.
Maxi was 8th man playing behind Lively, Gafford and PJ and next to Luka who is a 9RPG himself, comparing TRB% isn't serious, nor is TS%...
Love is not seeing floor on the Lakers, Maxi has never had a healthy season, if you want to insist on Love being better, yeah, agree to disagree, I find this argument to be silly.

Maxi was the worst player among the Mavs top 11 rotation players in the finals; worse than the top 9 by far, THJ is debatable. But whatever.

[SkyHook]

Look in the PO, Maxi was 17MPG on finals team, Love was garbage time player on 1st rd exit.
Maxi has always been useful switch big who can hit the open shot.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but it's interesting that you point to the 2024 playoffs. There's a ready comparison, as both Dallas and Miami were eliminated by Boston in five games. In those respective series:
• Kleber played 80 min, pulled down 7 total rebounds (5.0 TRB%), had a TS% of 35%, and ORtg/Drtg of 81/113.
• Love played 32 min, pulled down 14 total rebounds (25.8 TRB%), had a TS% of 50%, and ORtg/Drtg of 92/116.

Sure, it's small sample size theater and neither was outstanding, but I don't see anything there that even remotely favors Kleber in terms of impact. Love was simply better across the board in a much larger sample size during that regular season as well.

For 10-15 min/game, I'm far more confident in Love's ability to secure a key rebound or make a big shot than I am with Kleber.

Compare their defense now. What about the other series the Mavs played in 2024? How Maxi do. Not sure it's a fair comparison. I have no faith in a 37 year old Love bouncing backs from years of decline. He is coming off a 48TS% season.

As is Kleber.

I'm not remotely arguing that Love is going to be fantastic, just that he's better than Maxi. Far better based on rebounding alone.

[brackdan70]

Love sucks, Maxi sucks. There is not a noticeable difference in trade value to haggle about.
I’d rather have Love just due to experience but neither is going to do much for you.