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Re: Packers News, Transactions, Trade Talk - Love has procedure on left thumb, should be ready for opener 

Post#1021 » by Profound23 » Tue Aug 19, 2025 2:53 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Sorry but it's awfully tough to have faith in a guy with this amount of durability issues already at the most physically punishing position in the sport. I don't blame anyone for being out on Lloyd at this point. We've seen it happen with plenty of RB's over the years. Some guys' bodies just aren't built for it.



Also, it hasn't just been at the NFL level. When we drafted him the knock on Lloyd was:

1.) Always hurt
2.) Ball security



So far we have seen so much of the first red flag that we aren't even able to assess if there has been a correction with the second. Any time Lloyd plays a game and makes one big play he is hurt again. I hope he proves me wrong, but we should have drafted another RB this year in case Jacobs misses some time which is likely given his usage last year.

JCP is right, this is a physical sport and it takes a special breed along with some luck to succeed at this level.
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Post#1022 » by Treebeard » Tue Aug 19, 2025 3:17 pm

My frequent comment on the collision side of NFL football goes to basic physics: players are much bigger and much faster than the previous generation, which was much bigger and faster than its predecessor. Mass x Velocity = Momentum (or Force in this case). More Force too often translates to more injury, in spite of improved protective gear
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Post#1023 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:05 pm

Some players are just more injury prone than others. This goes back to the beginning of sports.
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Post#1024 » by JCP11 » Tue Aug 19, 2025 6:51 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Sorry but it's awfully tough to have faith in a guy with this amount of durability issues already at the most physically punishing position in the sport. I don't blame anyone for being out on Lloyd at this point. We've seen it happen with plenty of RB's over the years. Some guys' bodies just aren't built for it.

It's totally understandable to not have faith on Lloyd staying healthy. My issue comes from people wanting to cut him because of that. First he's only been here a year and some change and then there's the skillset he brings. This offense needs a dynamic pass catching RB to take another step. We saw it when AJ33 was here and healthy the offense was tough to stop. I would even say that Lloyd has better hands and is a better athlete than AJ based on what he's done in college. That's why MLF is anxious to get him on the field, this dude has a chance to be special in this offense. Let's hope he comes back quick and gets to show his talent.
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Post#1025 » by Profound23 » Tue Aug 19, 2025 7:20 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Sorry but it's awfully tough to have faith in a guy with this amount of durability issues already at the most physically punishing position in the sport. I don't blame anyone for being out on Lloyd at this point. We've seen it happen with plenty of RB's over the years. Some guys' bodies just aren't built for it.

It's totally understandable to not have faith on Lloyd staying healthy. My issue comes from people wanting to cut him because of that. First he's only been here a year and some change and then there's the skillset he brings. This offense needs a dynamic pass catching RB to take another step. We saw it when AJ33 was here and healthy the offense was tough to stop. I would even say that Lloyd has better hands and is a better athlete than AJ based on what he's done in college. That's why MLF is anxious to get him on the field, this dude has a chance to be special in this offense. Let's hope he comes back quick and gets to show his talent.



Cutting any third round pick this early is crazy. I was just saying as a fan I have given up hope on him and have no expectations for him to make an impact on the roster.

This means if he turns it around and does well it's a luxury I didn't consider anymore. If he continues down this path of not being available then I can accept it easier.
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Post#1026 » by JCP11 » Tue Aug 19, 2025 7:28 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Sorry but it's awfully tough to have faith in a guy with this amount of durability issues already at the most physically punishing position in the sport. I don't blame anyone for being out on Lloyd at this point. We've seen it happen with plenty of RB's over the years. Some guys' bodies just aren't built for it.

It's totally understandable to not have faith on Lloyd staying healthy. My issue comes from people wanting to cut him because of that. First he's only been here a year and some change and then there's the skillset he brings. This offense needs a dynamic pass catching RB to take another step. We saw it when AJ33 was here and healthy the offense was tough to stop. I would even say that Lloyd has better hands and is a better athlete than AJ based on what he's done in college. That's why MLF is anxious to get him on the field, this dude has a chance to be special in this offense. Let's hope he comes back quick and gets to show his talent.



Cutting any third round pick this early is crazy. I was just saying as a fan I have given up hope on him and have no expectations for him to make an impact on the roster.

This means if he turns it around and does well it's a luxury I didn't consider anymore. If he continues down this path of not being available then I can accept it easier.

Ah ok I get it, fair.
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Post#1027 » by Treebeard » Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:27 pm

I just saw online that Omar Brown is still in the hospital in Indianapolis, but on the slow mend. I don't know how credible that report is though.
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Post#1028 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:52 pm

Treebeard wrote:I just saw online that Omar Brown is still in the hospital in Indianapolis, but on the slow mend. I don't know how credible that report is though.


Yea, MLF said as much today.
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Post#1030 » by JCP11 » Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:23 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Sorry but it's awfully tough to have faith in a guy with this amount of durability issues already at the most physically punishing position in the sport. I don't blame anyone for being out on Lloyd at this point. We've seen it happen with plenty of RB's over the years. Some guys' bodies just aren't built for it.



Also, it hasn't just been at the NFL level. When we drafted him the knock on Lloyd was:

1.) Always hurt
2.) Ball security



So far we have seen so much of the first red flag that we aren't even able to assess if there has been a correction with the second. Any time Lloyd plays a game and makes one big play he is hurt again. I hope he proves me wrong, but we should have drafted another RB this year in case Jacobs misses some time which is likely given his usage last year.

JCP is right, this is a physical sport and it takes a special breed along with some luck to succeed at this level.
You're right maybe they should have drafted another RB but they didn't really need one more. They bet on Lloyd being back healthy and they would be set. Wilson is a damn good backup and
Brooks did an awesome job last year. What they are missing is a AJ33 type of back, someone shifty or more explosive who can run routes out of the backfield and make house calls. That's who Lloyd is and that's what they drafted him for. If Lloyd can't stay healthy they need to find another back who can do the same thing.
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Post#1031 » by nagawicka » Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:50 pm

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Profound23 wrote:Yeah I know it's too early to give up on someone, but I'm over Marshawn Lloyd.

As a former player I find it unfortunate when fans react that way. I understand it's frustrating but this game is not easy on the body and some are fortunate to have a long career and others don't. I'm sure he put in a lot of work to be ready and healthy for this season. A lot of it comes down to luck. He's a special talent so let's hope we get to see his talent on the field soon. I won't tell you how to be a fan just giving you another perspective.

SAME. Valuable player in his prime, under contract, with all the time & support in the world to heal up the right way and shape you role on the squad. There's no upside to dumping on Lloyd and no value in giving up on him or dinging his performance or even readiness. It be football. OTOH, there's no downside and everything to gain in maintaining faith, working on it, and providing Lloyd with every resource in getting him ready to go. Like every other NFL player who's dinged but not broken. How 'fans' are so eager to dump players is negligent to their core fan function, let alone sane and sound GM decisions.
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Post#1032 » by Treebeard » Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:14 pm

Some interesting speculation on bubble players, as we get closer to cut down time:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/analysis/69440/green-bay-packers-roster-analysis-bubble-players-2025-cutdowns
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Post#1033 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Aug 20, 2025 5:04 pm

Schneidman goes over most of those same battles and it's behind a paywall so I won't post it all. Here's one that isn't in the other article

Sean Clifford vs. Taylor Elgersma
Coach Matt LaFleur was asked recently what he wants in a third-string quarterback.

“Somebody who can command the offense,” LaFleur said. “You want somebody that you can develop into, hopefully, a guy that can play for you someday.”

LaFleur isn’t saying he wants to develop one of them into a starter for the Packers; rather, someone who can help win the Packers a game if need be, as Malik Willis did last year. Clifford was Jordan Love’s backup in 2023 before getting cut in favor of Willis last year. Has he done enough after a year on the practice squad to earn this year’s practice-squad spot (if the Packers keep only one QB on the P-squad)? Or do the Packers think Elgersma, the rookie from Canada, has more untapped potential and a higher ceiling worth aiming for? After all, the team can afford to keep a No. 3 quarterback who might be more of a project.

Elgersma played far more than Clifford in the second exhibition against the Indianapolis Colts, but that wasn’t necessarily because he’s ahead of Clifford on the depth chart. Offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich said they wanted to see what Elgersma did with the bulk of the backup reps in a game since they’ve seen plenty of Clifford over the last three years. The rookie showed flashes of potential with his arm, as he has since arriving in Green Bay, but he also looked skittish in the pocket early, didn’t protect himself when scrambling and made several ill-advised throws into traffic.

“I thought there was some really good moments and then also some things that you have to learn from,” LaFleur said. “Shoot, he’s still getting used to the field dimensions out there from Canada.”

Clifford played only the Packers’ final drive against the Colts and completed just 1 of 4 passes for 11 yards, but his first-down scramble on fourth-and-7 and 11-yard touchdown run two plays later capped a 13-play, 68-yard, game-winning touchdown drive.

“He’s now, in many ways, no longer a young player anymore,” quarterbacks coach Sean Mannion said of Clifford. “He’s been here for a while. We know Sean really well, and he’s in there with a lot of guys who are young players. The way he was really able to take command of that huddle, lead the guys, really speaks to Sean’s approach and his understanding of our system.”
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Post#1034 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Aug 20, 2025 6:03 pm

I guess it doesn't really matter too much if we're talking about the 3rd string/practice squad guy, but it'd be cool if we could just end this charade of pretending Clifford has any sort of chance of ever being an NFL QB. I have no opinion on Elgersma whatsoever, but with Willis surely gone next year, would be nice to start developing a guy on the PS who at least has an NFL caliber arm and some tools. Maybe he's not the guy, but Clifford definitely isn't.
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Post#1035 » by JCP11 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 7:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I guess it doesn't really matter too much if we're talking about the 3rd string/practice squad guy, but it'd be cool if we could just end this charade of pretending Clifford has any sort of chance of ever being an NFL QB. I have no opinion on Elgersma whatsoever, but with Willis surely gone next year, would be nice to start developing a guy on the PS who at least has an NFL caliber arm and some tools. Maybe he's not the guy, but Clifford definitely isn't.

As a Canadian who has seen Elgersma a bit, I can tell you I would be surprised if he's in an NFL roster in two years. He has a good arm , good frame and is a good athlete but the step from Canadian college football to the NFL is a big one and it shows. Someone would have to have serious faith in his talent and give him 3 years just to see if he can be a backup. I would be shocked if he's not in the CFL next year.
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Post#1036 » by MVP2110 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 8:19 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I guess it doesn't really matter too much if we're talking about the 3rd string/practice squad guy, but it'd be cool if we could just end this charade of pretending Clifford has any sort of chance of ever being an NFL QB. I have no opinion on Elgersma whatsoever, but with Willis surely gone next year, would be nice to start developing a guy on the PS who at least has an NFL caliber arm and some tools. Maybe he's not the guy, but Clifford definitely isn't.

As a Canadian who has seen Elgersma a bit, I can tell you I would be surprised if he's in an NFL roster in two years. He has a good arm , good frame and is a good athlete but the step from Canadian college football to the NFL is a big one and it shows. Someone would have to have serious faith in his talent and give him 3 years just to see if he can be a backup. I would be shocked if he's not in the CFL next year.


That's still a much better chance than Clifford ever has of being an NFL QB
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Post#1037 » by JCP11 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 8:49 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I guess it doesn't really matter too much if we're talking about the 3rd string/practice squad guy, but it'd be cool if we could just end this charade of pretending Clifford has any sort of chance of ever being an NFL QB. I have no opinion on Elgersma whatsoever, but with Willis surely gone next year, would be nice to start developing a guy on the PS who at least has an NFL caliber arm and some tools. Maybe he's not the guy, but Clifford definitely isn't.

As a Canadian who has seen Elgersma a bit, I can tell you I would be surprised if he's in an NFL roster in two years. He has a good arm , good frame and is a good athlete but the step from Canadian college football to the NFL is a big one and it shows. Someone would have to have serious faith in his talent and give him 3 years just to see if he can be a backup. I would be shocked if he's not in the CFL next year.


That's still a much better chance than Clifford ever has of being an NFL QB

I would try to find the next Malik Willis instead.
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Post#1038 » by MVP2110 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 9:02 pm

JCP11 wrote:
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JCP11 wrote:As a Canadian who has seen Elgersma a bit, I can tell you I would be surprised if he's in an NFL roster in two years. He has a good arm , good frame and is a good athlete but the step from Canadian college football to the NFL is a big one and it shows. Someone would have to have serious faith in his talent and give him 3 years just to see if he can be a backup. I would be shocked if he's not in the CFL next year.


That's still a much better chance than Clifford ever has of being an NFL QB

I would try to find the next Malik Willis instead.


I mean Malik Willis was a guy who came into the league not nearly ready and developed over the course of a few years.
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Post#1039 » by jakecronus8 » Wed Aug 20, 2025 9:15 pm

With the depth of the upcoming QB class I wonder if there is a chance to re-sign Malik. If he gets a deal elsewhere it's likely not for much and it will be as a placeholder until X young QB is ready.
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Post#1040 » by JCP11 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:50 am

MVP2110 wrote:
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That's still a much better chance than Clifford ever has of being an NFL QB

I would try to find the next Malik Willis instead.


I mean Malik Willis was a guy who came into the league not nearly ready and developed over the course of a few years.

Malik is a rare athlete like you rarely see in this game. Built like a running back, runs 4.3 with a rocket arm, Elgersma is not in his league. I'm not saying Elgersma could never figure it out, it just going to require a lot of patience and in this league they rarely wait that long unless you're a first rounder. Maybe his best route would be to play and succeed in the CFL and hopefully get another camp invite.

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