Joel Embiid Overtakes Jokic for Highest PER in the League

sca · Post #61 » by **sca** » Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:12 am

balrog27 wrote:Big country bryant reeves would have the highest PER if he didn't get fat.

Whenever I see Reeves getting mentioned, I think about this documentary:

balrog27 · Post #62 » by **balrog27** » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:00 am

sca wrote:
balrog27 wrote:Big country bryant reeves would have the highest PER if he didn't get fat.

Whenever I see Reeves getting mentioned, I think about this documentary:

Watch on YouTube

he's an icon!

akula1488 · Post #63 » by **akula1488** » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:17 am

Embiid will join Rose as the only NBA MVP that does not make HOF. bookmark this.

JM00n69 · Post #64 » by **JM00n69** » Today 9:58 am

akula1488 wrote:Embiid will join Rose as the only NBA MVP that does not make HOF. bookmark this.

Making the HOF is the least of his worries. Getting off the couch without help at 31 y/o is the real struggle for him now. At least he's got the Kendrick Perkins MPV award to look at while he waits for his one friend to come around and help him up.

p0peye · Post #65 » by **p0peye** » Today 10:40 am

JM00n69 wrote:
akula1488 wrote:Embiid will join Rose as the only NBA MVP that does not make HOF. bookmark this.

Making the HOF is the least of his worries. Getting off the couch without help at 31 y/o is the real struggle for him now. At least he's got the Kendrick Perkins MPV award to look at while he waits for his one friend to come around and help him up.

This is a mean-spirited comment that shows zero empathy for the real challenges athletes face. While I completely reject Perkins' inappropriate racial narrative around MVP voting, which was not only wrong but damaged basketball discourse, using potential health issues as a punchline is just cruel. Many former players struggle with serious physical problems after retirement - that deserves our understanding and respect, not mockery.

AussieBuck · Post #66 » by **AussieBuck** » Today 11:02 am

Embiid has to be a tier above Rose, not digging that HOF argument. He was at his peak in the Giannis/Jokic ballpark in the regular season for his main healthy seasons.

JM00n69 · Post #67 » by **JM00n69** » Today 1:17 pm

p0peye wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
akula1488 wrote:Embiid will join Rose as the only NBA MVP that does not make HOF. bookmark this.

Making the HOF is the least of his worries. Getting off the couch without help at 31 y/o is the real struggle for him now. At least he's got the Kendrick Perkins MPV award to look at while he waits for his one friend to come around and help him up.

This is a mean-spirited comment that shows zero empathy for the real challenges athletes face. While I completely reject Perkins' inappropriate racial narrative around MVP voting, which was not only wrong but damaged basketball discourse, using potential health issues as a punchline is just cruel. Many former players struggle with serious physical problems after retirement - that deserves our understanding and respect, not mockery.

I agree with you on 99% of the cases but when the person we're talking about has made falling down every possession the way he plays the game, sits out against though matchups when healthy and plays whilst injured against the softest teams in the league to boost his stats just to get that Perkins award then he can get to fck. You reap what you sow. And I'm allowed to say it how it is after the fact.

Charsace · Post #68 » by **Charsace** » Today 1:29 pm

People think Rose has no chance to make the Hall of Fame? Rose was a mega star, the second coming of Iverson in regards to aura, and was more popular than Lebron and Durant at one point. Embiid was never as popular

Post #69 » by **tsherkin** » Today 2:01 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Embiid has to be a tier above Rose, not digging that HOF argument. He was at his peak in the Giannis/Jokic ballpark in the regular season for his main healthy seasons.

Embiid was considerably better than Rose, so at least there's that. He was an actual MVP-level player, whereas Rose wasn't there. And of course, Embiid isn't the only guy to win an MVP while playing under 70 games, though only five guys have played less. Two of them were in lockout seasons and one was a COVID season, though.

Charsace wrote:People think Rose has no chance to make the Hall of Fame? Rose was a mega star, the second coming of Iverson in regards to aura, and was more popular than Lebron and Durant at one point. Embiid was never as popular

He probably WILL make the Hall. He was quite popular, even if he was always overrated. But at some point, we should probably stop talking about the Hall as if it has a lot of weight to it, at least in terms of NBA discourse. Rose played an injury-plagued 15 years. ROY, an undeserved MVP, 3 All-Star appearances, an All-NBA 1st Team appearance, and one season where his individual level was misrepresented by the quality of the team's defense and rebounding, very much like AI on the 01 Sixers. He was robbed of what surely would have been a properly HoF-level career by injuries, of course, but he also has enough going on that there should be no doubt that he'll be inducted, at least eventually.

Sixers in 4 · Post #70 » by **Sixers in 4** » Today 2:08 pm

Charsace wrote:People think Rose has no chance to make the Hall of Fame? Rose was a megastar, the second coming of Iverson in regard to aura, and was more popular than LeBron and Durant at one point. Embiid was never as popular

Popularity isn't how the HOF should decide to let in players, but the HOF is already full of players who shouldn't be there, so what is one more?

taikibansei · Post #71 » by **taikibansei** » Today 2:12 pm

p0peye wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
akula1488 wrote:Embiid will join Rose as the only NBA MVP that does not make HOF. bookmark this.

Making the HOF is the least of his worries. Getting off the couch without help at 31 y/o is the real struggle for him now. At least he's got the Kendrick Perkins MPV award to look at while he waits for his one friend to come around and help him up.

This is a mean-spirited comment that shows zero empathy for the real challenges athletes face. While I completely reject Perkins' inappropriate racial narrative around MVP voting, which was not only wrong but damaged basketball discourse, using potential health issues as a punchline is just cruel. Many former players struggle with serious physical problems after retirement - that deserves our understanding and respect, not mockery.

Funny, I didn't see these posts from you when Embiid himself showed "zero empathy" and intentionally injured opposing players who were playing better than him, including Robinson here:

Watch on YouTube

Robinson missed the rest of the playoffs and half the next season directly because of Embiid's actions here. So no, Embiid doesn't get my "understanding or respect," just mockery.

dhsilv2 · Post #72 » by **dhsilv2** » Today 2:20 pm

JM00n69 wrote:
p0peye wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
Making the HOF is the least of his worries. Getting off the couch without help at 31 y/o is the real struggle for him now. At least he's got the Kendrick Perkins MPV award to look at while he waits for his one friend to come around and help him up.

This is a mean-spirited comment that shows zero empathy for the real challenges athletes face. While I completely reject Perkins' inappropriate racial narrative around MVP voting, which was not only wrong but damaged basketball discourse, using potential health issues as a punchline is just cruel. Many former players struggle with serious physical problems after retirement - that deserves our understanding and respect, not mockery.

I agree with you on 99% of the cases but when the person we're talking about has made falling down every possession the way he plays the game, sits out against though matchups when healthy and plays whilst injured against the softest teams in the league to boost his stats just to get that Perkins award then he can get to fck. You reap what you sow. And I'm allowed to say it how it is after the fact.

Saying Embiid was ever healthy is honestly a bit of a stretch.

dhsilv2 · Post #73 » by **dhsilv2** » Today 2:21 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:
Charsace wrote:People think Rose has no chance to make the Hall of Fame? Rose was a megastar, the second coming of Iverson in regard to aura, and was more popular than LeBron and Durant at one point. Embiid was never as popular

Popularity isn't how the HOF should decide to let in players, but the HOF is already full of players who shouldn't be there, so what is one more?

The
Hall
of
Fame

Shouldn't care about popularity?

JM00n69 · Post #74 » by **JM00n69** » Today 2:40 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
p0peye wrote:
This is a mean-spirited comment that shows zero empathy for the real challenges athletes face. While I completely reject Perkins' inappropriate racial narrative around MVP voting, which was not only wrong but damaged basketball discourse, using potential health issues as a punchline is just cruel. Many former players struggle with serious physical problems after retirement - that deserves our understanding and respect, not mockery.

I agree with you on 99% of the cases but when the person we're talking about has made falling down every possession the way he plays the game, sits out against though matchups when healthy and plays whilst injured against the softest teams in the league to boost his stats just to get that Perkins award then he can get to fck. You reap what you sow. And I'm allowed to say it how it is after the fact.

Saying Embiid was ever healthy is honestly a bit of a stretch.

Yeah he spent more time on the floor foul baiting than he did on two feet. A disgrace to the game of basketball. Never a leader despite his skills and the fact that Silver wanted to make him the face of the NBA. He chose to play injured to puff up his stats, he can live with the consequences.

76Shots · Post #75 » by **76Shots** » Today 2:40 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Sixers in 4 wrote:
Charsace wrote:People think Rose has no chance to make the Hall of Fame? Rose was a megastar, the second coming of Iverson in regard to aura, and was more popular than LeBron and Durant at one point. Embiid was never as popular

Popularity isn't how the HOF should decide to let in players, but the HOF is already full of players who shouldn't be there, so what is one more?

The
Hall
of
Fame

Shouldn't care about popularity?

To be fair, The Hall of Merit doesnt have the same ring to it

dhsilv2 · Post #76 » by **dhsilv2** » Today 2:45 pm

JM00n69 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
I agree with you on 99% of the cases but when the person we're talking about has made falling down every possession the way he plays the game, sits out against though matchups when healthy and plays whilst injured against the softest teams in the league to boost his stats just to get that Perkins award then he can get to fck. You reap what you sow. And I'm allowed to say it how it is after the fact.

Saying Embiid was ever healthy is honestly a bit of a stretch.

Yeah he spent more time on the floor foul baiting than he did on two feet. A disgrace to the game of basketball. Never a leader despite his skills and the fact that Silver wanted to make him the face of the NBA. He chose to play injured to puff up his stats, he can live with the consequences.

Embiid has been struggling with injuries since college. Go cry about his play style separately from this.

dhsilv2 · Post #77 » by **dhsilv2** » Today 2:45 pm

76Shots wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Sixers in 4 wrote:
Popularity isn't how the HOF should decide to let in players, but the HOF is already full of players who shouldn't be there, so what is one more?

The
Hall
of
Fame

Shouldn't care about popularity?

To be fair, The Hall of Merit doesnt have the same ring to it

I'm not in marketing...but I'm guessing famous players get more eyes on your establishment than not.

JM00n69 · Post #78 » by **JM00n69** » Today 3:11 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Saying Embiid was ever healthy is honestly a bit of a stretch.

Yeah he spent more time on the floor foul baiting than he did on two feet. A disgrace to the game of basketball. Never a leader despite his skills and the fact that Silver wanted to make him the face of the NBA. He chose to play injured to puff up his stats, he can live with the consequences.

Embiid has been struggling with injuries since college. Go cry about his play style separately from this.

I know he was a gimp before he came into the NBA. You're proving my point here pal. The way he played the game was a discrace to the game itself. And he only got away with it because Silver needed a new face for the league. But he backed the wrong horse.

dhsilv2 · Post #79 » by **dhsilv2** » Today 3:35 pm

JM00n69 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
Yeah he spent more time on the floor foul baiting than he did on two feet. A disgrace to the game of basketball. Never a leader despite his skills and the fact that Silver wanted to make him the face of the NBA. He chose to play injured to puff up his stats, he can live with the consequences.

Embiid has been struggling with injuries since college. Go cry about his play style separately from this.

I know he was a gimp before he came into the NBA. You're proving my point here pal. The way he played the game was a discrace to the game itself. And he only got away with it because Silver needed a new face for the league. But he backed the wrong horse.

I don't give a crap how he plays the game. It doesn't change the reality that he's always been hurt which is all I said.

JM00n69 · Post #80 » by **JM00n69** » Today 4:13 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
JM00n69 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Embiid has been struggling with injuries since college. Go cry about his play style separately from this.

I know he was a gimp before he came into the NBA. You're proving my point here pal. The way he played the game was a discrace to the game itself. And he only got away with it because Silver needed a new face for the league. But he backed the wrong horse.

I don't give a crap how he plays the game. It doesn't change the reality that he's always been hurt which is all I said.

The large majory of us do.