The Official Jaden McDaniels Thread

[Wolveswin]

I know exactly what I'm saying and I think you realize that you shouldn't have called it an all in trade, but since I've backed you into a corner you're doubling and tripling down. Can we just agree you want to see us make a big trade to get a bonafide 2nd star? You don't see Randle or Jaden to be a good enough Robin to Ant's Batman.

It is an all-in trade. In no shape or form - other than your silly world - does an all-in trade mean the entire 15 man roster needs to be involved. Implying even close to that is beyond laughable.

An all-in trade is exactly how I defined it twice. And twice defined what the trade components would entail. “Well, that isn’t an all-in trade, that is a big trade.” - KGdaBom.

Give me a break - not worth derailing this thread as you have.

I never once said an all in trade is trading all 15 players. Don't misrepresent/straw man me. I understood you meaning to pair with Ant as a given. However, you were simply talking about making a big trade. All in is more than just a big trade. Sure it's semantics, but I really thought you meant all in at first. Later you described what you meant and it was a big trade. I'm done on this. If you can't acknowledge your use of all in was not the appropriate wording OK. Continue to call every big trade an all in trade.

If you are going to preach semantics, be consistent at least. Poker all-in doesn’t necessary mean all your chips are in play. But I will let you look that up to prove how you are wrong. I didn’t correct you when you used that reference because playing the semantics game is a waste of time. But yet you choose to do play that game. Waste of time!

One more time, it is all-in trade for Wolves. Round up remaining assets (no not all 15 players lol) and get that one player who will make a difference and push wolves through that WCF glass ceiling. I know you can understand that concept. Stop playing the semantics game. Waste of time!

[KGdaBom]

It is an all-in trade. In no shape or form - other than your silly world - does an all-in trade mean the entire 15 man roster needs to be involved. Implying even close to that is beyond laughable.

An all-in trade is exactly how I defined it twice. And twice defined what the trade components would entail. “Well, that isn’t an all-in trade, that is a big trade.” - KGdaBom.

Give me a break - not worth derailing this thread as you have.

I never once said an all in trade is trading all 15 players. Don't misrepresent/straw man me. I understood you meaning to pair with Ant as a given. However, you were simply talking about making a big trade. All in is more than just a big trade. Sure it's semantics, but I really thought you meant all in at first. Later you described what you meant and it was a big trade. I'm done on this. If you can't acknowledge your use of all in was not the appropriate wording OK. Continue to call every big trade an all in trade.

If you are going to preach semantics, be consistent at least. Poker all-in doesn’t necessary mean all your chips are in play. But I will let you look that up to prove how you are wrong. I didn’t correct you when you used that reference because playing the semantics game is a waste of time. But yet you choose to do play that game. Waste of time!

One more time, it is all-in trade for Wolves. Round up remaining assets (no not all 15 players lol) and get that one player who will make a difference and push wolves through that WCF glass ceiling. I know you can understand that concept. Stop playing the semantics game. Waste of time!

I understand the kind of trade that you are proposing. I think you are treating Rudy, Naz and Jaden as off the table, but giving up all other assets of value we have. I don't believe that trade would help us push through that glass ceiling. Semi-gutting the team for the best possible PG we can get seems like what you are proposing. Giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade for the best PG we can get won't push us through that glass ceiling IMO. IMO It would set us back possibly irretrievably so. In this case I believe that patience is a virtue. Give this time to grow organically and a championship could happen this year or next or the year after that.

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[Wolveswin]

I never once said an all in trade is trading all 15 players. Don't misrepresent/straw man me. I understood you meaning to pair with Ant as a given. However, you were simply talking about making a big trade. All in is more than just a big trade. Sure it's semantics, but I really thought you meant all in at first. Later you described what you meant and it was a big trade. I'm done on this. If you can't acknowledge your use of all in was not the appropriate wording OK. Continue to call every big trade an all in trade.

If you are going to preach semantics, be consistent at least. Poker all-in doesn’t necessary mean all your chips are in play. But I will let you look that up to prove how you are wrong. I didn’t correct you when you used that reference because playing the semantics game is a waste of time. But yet you choose to do play that game. Waste of time!

One more time, it is all-in trade for Wolves. Round up remaining assets (no not all 15 players lol) and get that one player who will make a difference and push wolves through that WCF glass ceiling. I know you can understand that concept. Stop playing the semantics game. Waste of time!

I understand the kind of trade that you are proposing. I think you are treating Rudy, Naz and Jaden as off the table, but giving up all other assets of value we have. I don't believe that trade would help us push through that glass ceiling. Semi-gutting the team for the best possible PG we can get seems like what you are proposing. Giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade for the best PG we can get won't push us through that glass ceiling IMO. IMO It would set us back possibly irretrievably so. In this case I believe that patience is a virtue. Give this time to grow organically and a championship could happen this year or next or the year after that.

Patience is a plan. From your position, sounds like your plan. And that is fine. A different plan…

Is supplementing that organic growth with an upgraded producer in starting lineup. A true #2. That is done by trade.

To me, organic growth won’t overtake OKC. Who is better team and younger, with even more organic growth potential than Wolves. The West as a whole is a gauntlet. Sitting here before any 25/26 games are played, before injuries around the league happen, and predicting future of our Wolves…I just don’t see a chip. I think another WCF is a reach.

Then we have the far future (I mean predicting playoffs about 10 months away is far). Rudy will be 34+, Randle 31+ and Edwards contract control just ticking away - waiting/hoping to overcome the talent in the West using organic growth as their plan.

An all-in trade doesn’t have to happen now. But needs to happen. And needs to happen when opportunity presents itself. Who and when is TBD. But that trade will pool remaining Wolves’ assets, it will push the chips in the middle, it will be a plan that isn’t wait or hope - and will supplement the organic growth happening in Minnesota.

[KGdaBom]

If you are going to preach semantics, be consistent at least. Poker all-in doesn’t necessary mean all your chips are in play. But I will let you look that up to prove how you are wrong. I didn’t correct you when you used that reference because playing the semantics game is a waste of time. But yet you choose to do play that game. Waste of time!

One more time, it is all-in trade for Wolves. Round up remaining assets (no not all 15 players lol) and get that one player who will make a difference and push wolves through that WCF glass ceiling. I know you can understand that concept. Stop playing the semantics game. Waste of time!

I understand the kind of trade that you are proposing. I think you are treating Rudy, Naz and Jaden as off the table, but giving up all other assets of value we have. I don't believe that trade would help us push through that glass ceiling. Semi-gutting the team for the best possible PG we can get seems like what you are proposing. Giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade for the best PG we can get won't push us through that glass ceiling IMO. IMO It would set us back possibly irretrievably so. In this case I believe that patience is a virtue. Give this time to grow organically and a championship could happen this year or next or the year after that.

Patience is a plan. From your position, sounds like your plan. And that is fine. A different plan…

Is supplementing that organic growth with an upgraded producer in starting lineup. A true #2. That is done by trade.

To me, organic growth won’t overtake OKC. Who is better team and younger, with even more organic growth potential than Wolves. The West as a whole is a gauntlet. Sitting here before any 25/26 games are played, before injuries around the league happen, and predicting future of our Wolves…I just don’t see a chip. I think another WCF is a reach.

Then we have the far future (I mean predicting playoffs about 10 months away is far). Rudy will be 34+, Randle 31+ and Edwards contract control just ticking away - waiting/hoping to overcome the talent in the West using organic growth as their plan.

An all-in trade doesn’t have to happen now. But needs to happen. And needs to happen when opportunity presents itself. Who and when is TBD. But that trade will pool remaining Wolves’ assets, it will push the chips in the middle, it will be a plan that isn’t wait or hope - and will supplement the organic growth happening in Minnesota.

Fair enough.

I have no clue who the player we trade for might be, but giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade just guts the team too much. Naz is not on Randle's level. If he becomes the full time PF and we have to rely on who? Miller for the remaining PF minutes. Then we have no backup Center. When Rudy ages out we will be up **** creek. If we're just giving Randle, DDV and Dilly then TSJ could back up Naz and Le Berricade could back up Rudy, but we aren't going to get a legitimate Robin to Ant's Batman for that package I don't think.

[Wolveswin]

I understand the kind of trade that you are proposing. I think you are treating Rudy, Naz and Jaden as off the table, but giving up all other assets of value we have. I don't believe that trade would help us push through that glass ceiling. Semi-gutting the team for the best possible PG we can get seems like what you are proposing. Giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade for the best PG we can get won't push us through that glass ceiling IMO. IMO It would set us back possibly irretrievably so. In this case I believe that patience is a virtue. Give this time to grow organically and a championship could happen this year or next or the year after that.

Patience is a plan. From your position, sounds like your plan. And that is fine. A different plan…

Is supplementing that organic growth with an upgraded producer in starting lineup. A true #2. That is done by trade.

To me, organic growth won’t overtake OKC. Who is better team and younger, with even more organic growth potential than Wolves. The West as a whole is a gauntlet. Sitting here before any 25/26 games are played, before injuries around the league happen, and predicting future of our Wolves…I just don’t see a chip. I think another WCF is a reach.

Then we have the far future (I mean predicting playoffs about 10 months away is far). Rudy will be 34+, Randle 31+ and Edwards contract control just ticking away - waiting/hoping to overcome the talent in the West using organic growth as their plan.

An all-in trade doesn’t have to happen now. But needs to happen. And needs to happen when opportunity presents itself. Who and when is TBD. But that trade will pool remaining Wolves’ assets, it will push the chips in the middle, it will be a plan that isn’t wait or hope - and will supplement the organic growth happening in Minnesota.

Fair enough.

I have no clue who the player we trade for might be, but giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade just guts the team too much. Naz is not on Randle's level. If he becomes the full time PF and we have to rely on who? Miller for the remaining PF minutes. Then we have no backup Center. When Rudy ages out we will be up **** creek. If we're just giving Randle, DDV and Dilly then TSJ could back up Naz and Le Berricade could back up Rudy, but we aren't going to get a legitimate Robin to Ant's Batman for that package I don't think.

How do you know all of this? You don’t. Don’t create your own barriers or objections just because.

Who will be involved in trade - who knows. But a trade will happen. And that is a plan to better the team.

[KGdaBom]

Patience is a plan. From your position, sounds like your plan. And that is fine. A different plan…

Is supplementing that organic growth with an upgraded producer in starting lineup. A true #2. That is done by trade.

To me, organic growth won’t overtake OKC. Who is better team and younger, with even more organic growth potential than Wolves. The West as a whole is a gauntlet. Sitting here before any 25/26 games are played, before injuries around the league happen, and predicting future of our Wolves…I just don’t see a chip. I think another WCF is a reach.

Then we have the far future (I mean predicting playoffs about 10 months away is far). Rudy will be 34+, Randle 31+ and Edwards contract control just ticking away - waiting/hoping to overcome the talent in the West using organic growth as their plan.

An all-in trade doesn’t have to happen now. But needs to happen. And needs to happen when opportunity presents itself. Who and when is TBD. But that trade will pool remaining Wolves’ assets, it will push the chips in the middle, it will be a plan that isn’t wait or hope - and will supplement the organic growth happening in Minnesota.

Fair enough.

I have no clue who the player we trade for might be, but giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade just guts the team too much. Naz is not on Randle's level. If he becomes the full time PF and we have to rely on who? Miller for the remaining PF minutes. Then we have no backup Center. When Rudy ages out we will be up **** creek. If we're just giving Randle, DDV and Dilly then TSJ could back up Naz and Le Berricade could back up Rudy, but we aren't going to get a legitimate Robin to Ant's Batman for that package I don't think.

How do you know all of this? You don’t. Don’t create your own barriers or objections just because.

Who will be involved in trade - who knows. But a trade will happen. And that is a plan to better the team.

Aren't we in your "all in" trade looking for a Robin to Ant's Batman? If we trade for that player x as Robin it will take the Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade package IMO. I don't see how we can get that player for Just Randle, DDV and Dilly. We don't have any tradable FRPs.

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It’s funny to see them together, because I always thought the personality comp for McDaniels was a young Kawhi

Soft-spoken, even shy. Wants to go at you on defense. Wants to improve his game in a lot of areas, and has the chance to do it.

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Could Randle be the Robin?

Remember how he came on in the last eight weeks of the season, and the first two playoff series? Once he found his role?

I mean, we need our Robin to be a #2 scorer, be able to score for himself, and playmake for others…

[KGdaBom]

Could Randle be the Robin?

Remember how he came on in the last eight weeks of the season, and the first two playoff series? Once he found his role?

Randle is a borderline Robin to me. Some people just think we have to have a better 2.
Detroit won the title that should have been ours without a Batman or Robin on the whole team. Just a lot of solid players that got hot at the right time.

[TimberKat]

Could Randle be the Robin?

Remember how he came on in the last eight weeks of the season, and the first two playoff series? Once he found his role?

Randle is a borderline Robin to me. Some people just think we have to have a better 2.
Detroit won the title that should have been ours without a Batman or Robin on the whole team. Just a lot of solid players that got hot at the right time.

They got the entire Avengers team with Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the Hulk and Darko too.

[Wolveswin]

Fair enough.

I have no clue who the player we trade for might be, but giving up Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade just guts the team too much. Naz is not on Randle's level. If he becomes the full time PF and we have to rely on who? Miller for the remaining PF minutes. Then we have no backup Center. When Rudy ages out we will be up **** creek. If we're just giving Randle, DDV and Dilly then TSJ could back up Naz and Le Berricade could back up Rudy, but we aren't going to get a legitimate Robin to Ant's Batman for that package I don't think.

How do you know all of this? You don’t. Don’t create your own barriers or objections just because.

Who will be involved in trade - who knows. But a trade will happen. And that is a plan to better the team.

Aren't we in your "all in" trade looking for a Robin to Ant's Batman? If we trade for that player x as Robin it will take the Randle, DDV, Dilly, TSJ and Le Berricade package IMO. I don't see how we can get that player for Just Randle, DDV and Dilly. We don't have any tradable FRPs.

I think the whole ‘Batman and Robin’ thing is overplayed. We are talking roster construction. And roster construction is not from scratch or via a fantasy draft. Roster construction is done putting the plane together when flying.

Question is simple, is the roster as constructed a championship roster? With sub question…for what window or windows? Of answer is no, roster needs to be reconstructed. If answer is maybe, one can wait (your plan) or make changes (in NBA that is via trade).

[KGdaBom]

Could Randle be the Robin?

Remember how he came on in the last eight weeks of the season, and the first two playoff series? Once he found his role?

Randle is a borderline Robin to me. Some people just think we have to have a better 2.
Detroit won the title that should have been ours without a Batman or Robin on the whole team. Just a lot of solid players that got hot at the right time.

They got the entire Avengers team with Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the Hulk and Darko too.

Black Widow and Hawkeye yes. I guess you could say Ben Wallace was the Hulk, but he was a star far from a Superstar. Nobody major. No spiderman, superman, batman. At best Chauncey was Robin, but not quite that level IMO. They really didn't have anybody even on the Robin level. Randle is a bigger star than anybody they had.

[frankenwolf]

IDK, I think this team as constructed and with future development can be a championship roster. I know that the financial problem that we have been going through are going to catch up with OKC. There is no way they can pay for all that good youth they have. Right now we have some old veterans, some young veterans and some young talent. I think that Jaden has the talent to help out Ant as they hit their prime together. Looking at what we have now and the (projected) growth of our youth, we can be champs within the next three years without any major trades. Of course, if Dilly and Joan do not pan out as expected, then there will have to be a trade made, but I am confident in what we have right now and in what the front office team can accomplish through the draft and, if needed, trades. Stirring up things every two years is NOT continuity, which is what they have been striving for along with a winning attitude.

[Dewey]

I still support the idea that McD and Randle are NOT a championship caliber #2 … on their best days maybe #3 for like 1-2 games in a 7 game series. That don’t cut it.

That said, I do not see a scenario that we could acquire a star player. Our D-League has not really generated much of anything useful either like we had hoped.

[Klomp]

Our D-League has not really generated much of anything useful either like we had hoped.

What exactly did you hope for?

[Guest84]

One of the factors for this team's success is dependent upon Jaden's growth and/or value around the league. He either needs to improve enough on the offensive side of the ball to contribute consistently more than 12ppg or he'll more than likely have to be included to get the player back that you need.

I like Jaden a lot. But he could be one of the players holding the team back. Granted, there are a lot of factors that go into that, with Finch not giving him consistent opportunities on offense. He's been in the league how many years and we still don't know for sure what he is or can be.

PG, SF, C are big spots for this team with Ant being a SG. Even though they've made it to the WCF twice, it still doesn't feel like a "good/great" team if that makes sense? None of the pieces really fit together and they're overall a low IQ team but yet in still they've been winning.

I think Jaden fits well next to Ant but the rest of the team....ehh. What could he do with players that actually fit with him??

[Wolveswin]

One of the factors for this team's success is dependent upon Jaden's growth and/or value around the league. He either needs to improve enough on the offensive side of the ball to contribute consistently more than 12ppg or he'll more than likely have to be included to get the player back that you need.

I like Jaden a lot. But he could be one of the players holding the team back. Granted, there are a lot of factors that go into that, with Finch not giving him consistent opportunities on offense. He's been in the league how many years and we still don't know for sure what he is or can be.

PG, SF, C are big spots for this team with Ant being a SG. Even though they've made it to the WCF twice, it still doesn't feel like a "good/great" team if that makes sense? None of the pieces really fit together and they're overall a low IQ team but yet in still they've been winning.

I think Jaden fits well next to Ant but the rest of the team....ehh. What could he do with players that actually fit with him??

That is my thinking too. Jaden is a proven 3rd man on a championship roster - an amazing fit if roster has legit #1 (Wolves do in Edwards) and legit #2. The legit #2 is missing. Randle and Reid combine to be close. Randle however isn’t a longterm solution and his ideal fit with Edwards as ideal #2 should be in question (and is). So….

If we are talking roster construction, how do Wolves get that upgraded player? Leverage the remaining assets for legit #2.

But I think too many here think legit and perfect #2 is sitting somewhere on another NBA roster obvious and ready to be traded for by Wolves. I don’t think the trade has presented itself - yet. I also think the player Wolves go all-in for may not appear perfect or even ideal in said player’s current situation. Said player in Wolves price point will be acquired in faith (warts and all). Faith being = not perfect or ideal now, once on roster and assimilated will mold into the better (to much much better) roster construction once it plays out.

Which means, Wolves will have better roster construction AND organic development of young players to finally push through ceiling of being a WCF loser and become a legit championship contender (even in the gauntlet which is the west).

[KGdaBom]

#2 or Robin I think Randle is our best option. YMMV.

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