Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[RHODEY]

I acknowledged that Giannis could possibly force his way to the Knicks. Of course you can reply "but does Giannis want to play there?" to every single team. We don't know the answer to that. So yes, you can choose to ignore the Bucks' desires if you want to but I doubt the Bucks will.

Actually I gave other reasons (cap, team competitiveness) in addition to desire to play for some hick team...but you choose to ignore that .

You are also ignoring the Giannis wasn't even a great fit next to a small scoring guard that doesn't really run a good 2 man game in Lillard. Brunson and Giannis could easily have similar problems. He could end up being in another awkward situation on a team with no assets and no upside again. We just saw that the KAT/Brunson pairing wasn't some elite big/small duo. I love JB but if I am Giannis I would rather be paired with Cade, Trae and healthy Tyrese at the point guard position.

LOL so you think Brunson wouldn't fit with Giannis, because geriatric Dame and a team with more holes than swiss cheese wasnt a good fit for Giannis? I hope you are not implying that the Bucks were a mirror image of the Knicks outside of Giannis.

As far as the Knicks being in a better position to be contenders than other teams they didn't actually show a clear separation between them and the rest of the league last year. They looked much closer to the middle of the pack than to a true contender. Yes, they finished the year in the ECF but they struggled with the top teams all year outside of beating a broken down Celtics team in the playoffs.

We struggled with the top 3 elite teams during the regular season. Sure we did. But during the playoffs you dont mention that we beat the Champs (Boston). So did we look like a middle of the pack team when we whooped on the Celts?

The Pistons gave them trouble in the regular season and the postseason. The Pacers actually showed a much bigger gap between themselves and the Knicks than the Knicks showed between themselves and the Pistons if there was even a gap. The Pistons have access to all their picks with enough salary filler to not even give up a key core piece outside of an ageing Harris from the team that the Knicks barely got by last postseason.

Yes they did , because we played into their hands , because why? The coach. Disagree about the Pacers showing a much bigger gap. IMO we were neck and neck and if it wasn't for that fluke shot it would have gone 7 games....even with our bad coach.

The Knicks would have to give up a ton of depth and/or key core pieces just to match salary even if you ignore that it would be a terrible return for a top 5 player in Giannis. There are younger teams that were near the Knicks level last year with more expendable pieces to trade and build a team around Giannis that would not only be good for him next year but going forward as he gets older.

Nope not really just Bridges and Mitch...Which would leave us with KAT , Brunson, OG, and most of our bench . KAT and Giannis alone is nasty AF, add Brunson and OG into the mix and its scary.

So again where are these younger teams that you claim are where "near us"? Detroit? LOL I'll pretend to entertain that. Do you really think the agong Tobias Harris is an enticing contract on the level of Mitch and Bridges? I'll admit Cade is nice..but Brunson was NICER in the playoffs...and again we have all the surrounding pieces , hwat are Detroit's surrounding pieces after trading for Giannis?

[JayTWill]

I acknowledged that Giannis could possibly force his way to the Knicks. Of course you can reply "but does Giannis want to play there?" to every single team. We don't know the answer to that. So yes, you can choose to ignore the Bucks' desires if you want to but I doubt the Bucks will.

Actually I gave other reasons (cap, team competitiveness) in addition to desire to play for some hick team...but you choose to ignore that .

You are choosing to ignore many more reasons of why a Giannis trade to New York does not make sense.

You are also ignoring the Giannis wasn't even a great fit next to a small scoring guard that doesn't really run a good 2 man game in Lillard. Brunson and Giannis could easily have similar problems. He could end up being in another awkward situation on a team with no assets and no upside again. We just saw that the KAT/Brunson pairing wasn't some elite big/small duo. I love JB but if I am Giannis I would rather be paired with Cade, Trae and healthy Tyrese at the point guard position.

LOL so you think Brunson wouldn't fit with Giannis, because geriatric Dame and a team with more holes than swiss cheese wasnt a good fit for Giannis? I hope you are not implying that the Bucks were a mirror image of the Knicks outside of Giannis.

A geriatric Lillard put up almost identical stats to Brunson last year on offense and both of them are useless defensively. Lillard is actually a higher volume 3 point shooter and operates less in the midrange so he might actually be a better floor spacer for Giannis. Either way neither Brunson nor Lillard elevated the game of the big they were playing next to. And the Knicks would have their own holes after trading for Giannis with similar limited assets as the Bucks.

As far as the Knicks being in a better position to be contenders than other teams they didn't actually show a clear separation between them and the rest of the league last year. They looked much closer to the middle of the pack than to a true contender. Yes, they finished the year in the ECF but they struggled with the top teams all year outside of beating a broken down Celtics team in the playoffs.

We struggled with the top 3 elite teams during the regular season. Sure we did. But during the playoffs you dont mention that we beat the Champs (Boston). So did we look like a middle of the pack team when we whooped on the Celts?

You ignored the part where I said we beat a broken down Celtics team not the version with a healthy Brown and KP who destroyed the Knicks for the past 2 seasons.

The Pistons gave them trouble in the regular season and the postseason. The Pacers actually showed a much bigger gap between themselves and the Knicks than the Knicks showed between themselves and the Pistons if there was even a gap. The Pistons have access to all their picks with enough salary filler to not even give up a key core piece outside of an ageing Harris from the team that the Knicks barely got by last postseason.

Yes they did , because we played into their hands , because why? The coach. Disagree about the Pacers showing a much bigger gap. IMO we were neck and neck and if it wasn't for that fluke shot it would have gone 7 games....even with our bad coach.

I said the Pacers showed a bigger gap between them and the Knicks than the Knicks showed between them and the Pistons despite them missing 2 rotational players. The Knicks had their own huge comeback against the Pistons in game 1 led by Payne of all people. They also needed a Brunson game winner and an obvious missed foul call to win 2 other games. The Pacers definitely beat the Knicks more decisively than the Knicks beat the Pistons. I'm hopeful that Brown makes better use of the players but that is unknown for now.

The Knicks would have to give up a ton of depth and/or key core pieces just to match salary even if you ignore that it would be a terrible return for a top 5 player in Giannis. There are younger teams that were near the Knicks level last year with more expendable pieces to trade and build a team around Giannis that would not only be good for him next year but going forward as he gets older.

Nope not really just Bridges and Mitch...Which would leave us with KAT , Brunson, OG, and most of our bench . KAT and Giannis alone is nasty AF, add Brunson and OG into the mix and its scary.

I don't know in what world the Bucks accept that offer for Giannis but do the salaries even match? Wouldn't the Knicks have to also include someone like Hart just to make the salaries match? And Mikal, Hart and Mitch are still terrible value for Giannis so the Bucks will definitely ask for all the available picks and young players especially Deuce. I'm sure they will be willing to send whatever players they don't want back to make the salaries match. The Bucks aren't going to just accept poor value AND let the Knicks keep their bench just because.

KAT, Brunson, Giannis and OG is an incredibly talented core but I hope that the Bucks and Knicks both learned that just throwing talent together doesn't mean they will fit together.

So again where are these younger teams that you claim are where "near us"? Detroit? LOL I'll pretend to entertain that. Do you really think the agong Tobias Harris is an enticing contract on the level of Mitch and Bridges? I'll admit Cade is nice..but Brunson was NICER in the playoffs...and again we have all the surrounding pieces , hwat are Detroit's surrounding pieces after trading for Giannis?

What exactly do you think the Bucks would be accomplishing with a Mitch, Turner, Portis, Bridges, Kuzma etc core? Those teams aren't going anywhere whether they have Harris or Mikal and Mitch. They are just going to get worse as the years go along without the Bucks being to benefit from it since they don't have full control of their picks until 2031. So young players and picks or an actual star player have much more value to the Bucks than some complimentary pieces with nothing to compliment.

As far as Detroit, I don't really care who is NICER between Cade and Brunson. Lillard has always been considered NICER than Holiday and Middleton but I wouldn't say Lillard is a better fit next to Giannis when everyone is healthy. And I wouldn't be too worried about the surrounding pieces around Cade and Giannis because unlike the Knicks they have a ton more financial flexibility and trade capital between picks and young players to get whatever complimentary pieces necessary.

[RHODEY]

You are choosing to ignore many more reasons of why a Giannis trade to New York does not make sense.

I didn't ignore them, I debunked your assertion that a package of tobias harris and some unnamed Detroit "youths" would be more desirable than Mitch Robinson and Mikal Bridges.

A geriatric Lillard put up almost identical stats to Brunson last year on offense and both of them are useless defensively. Lillard is actually a higher volume 3 point shooter and operates less in the midrange so he might actually be a better floor spacer for Giannis. Either way neither Brunson nor Lillard elevated the game of the big they were playing next to. And the Knicks would have their own holes after trading for Giannis with similar limited assets as the Bucks.

So a guy who scored less,24pp versus 26ppg AND is also less efficient %44 versus ~49% is almost identical? .Your assertion that Giannis wouldn't fit doesn't take the TEAM aspect into account. We have players that can spread the court, KAT the best shooting Center int he league , OG , Brunson, Deuce... You decided to cherry pick the Brunson Lilliard comparison..(Brunson is still significantly better at this point) and ignore the impact of our remaining players.

You ignored the part where I said we beat a broken down Celtics team not the version with a healthy Brown and KP who destroyed the Knicks for the past 2 seasons.

Oh so they were "Broken down" yet that same squad won a ring mostly without KP. They were getting beat with a healthy Tatum, and Brown was banged up...so what? Everybody is banged up that time of year. We beat them because we were better- despite what the regular season results said. Mind you Mitch was missing most of those games and Mitch MATTERS.

I said the Pacers showed a bigger gap between them and the Knicks than the Knicks showed between them and the Pistons despite them missing 2 rotational players. The Knicks had their own huge comeback against the Pistons in game 1 led by Payne of all people. They also needed a Brunson game winner and an obvious missed foul call to win 2 other games. The Pacers definitely beat the Knicks more decisively than the Knicks beat the Pistons. I'm hopeful that Brown makes better use of the players but that is unknown for now.

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I disagree. there was the fluke game, and after that we pretty much alternating win spreads versus Indiana. Detroit games were close but you can thank Thibs **** tight azz rotation for that.

I don't know in what world the Bucks accept that offer for Giannis but do the salaries even match? Wouldn't the Knicks have to also include someone like Hart just to make the salaries match? And Mikal, Hart and Mitch are still terrible value for Giannis so the Bucks will definitely ask for all the available picks and young players especially Deuce. I'm sure they will be willing to send whatever players they don't want back to make the salaries match. The Bucks aren't going to just accept poor value AND let the Knicks keep their bench just because

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Ofcourse they match and I find it hilarious that you cant envison the Bucks accepting Mitch and Bridges but it's kinda hilarious that yuo CAN envision them accepting TOBIAS HARRIIS and change ...

KAT, Brunson, Giannis and OG is an incredibly talented core but I hope that the Bucks and Knicks both learned that just throwing talent together doesn't mean they will fit together.

Nah they fit, and they fit rather well.

What exactly do you think the Bucks would be accomplishing with a Mitch, Turner, Portis, Bridges, Kuzma etc core? Those teams aren't going anywhere whether they have Harris or Mikal and Mitch. They are just going to get worse as the years go along without the Bucks being to benefit from it since they don't have full control of their picks until 2031. So young players and picks or an actual star player have much more value to the Bucks than some complimentary pieces with nothing to compliment.

As far as Detroit, I don't really care who is NICER between Cade and Brunson. Lillard has always been considered NICER than Holiday and Middleton but I wouldn't say Lillard is a better fit next to Giannis when everyone is healthy. And I wouldn't be too worried about the surrounding pieces around Cade and Giannis because unlike the Knicks they have a ton more financial flexibility and trade capital between picks and young players to get whatever complimentary pieces necessary.

What do the Bucks accomplish with TOBIAS HARRIS Portis, Kuzma etc core ? You keep mentioning young players...well can you please name these fantasy young players that the Bucks will be wetting there collective beds for?

[JayTWill]

You are choosing to ignore many more reasons of why a Giannis trade to New York does not make sense.

I didn't ignore them, I debunked your assertion that a package of tobias harris and some unnamed Detroit "youths" would be more desirable than Mitch Robinson and Mikal Bridges.

Are you really mocking me about the idea that a superstar player would get traded from a team that likely has no ability to compete for a package of picks and young players well before they would be traded for an almost 29 year old role player and a constantly injured big on an expiring contract?

A geriatric Lillard put up almost identical stats to Brunson last year on offense and both of them are useless defensively. Lillard is actually a higher volume 3 point shooter and operates less in the midrange so he might actually be a better floor spacer for Giannis. Either way neither Brunson nor Lillard elevated the game of the big they were playing next to. And the Knicks would have their own holes after trading for Giannis with similar limited assets as the Bucks.

So a guy who scored less,24pp versus 26ppg AND is also less efficient %44 versus ~49% almost identical? .Your assertion that Giannis would fit doesn't take the TEAM aspect into account. We have players that can spread the court, KAT the best shooting Center int he league , OG , Brunson, Deuce... You decided to cherry pick the Brunson Lilliard comparison..(Brunson is still significantly better at this point) and ignore the impact of our remaining players.

I don't know where you are getting your numbers from. I see Brunson averaged 26.0ppg on 18.5fga. Lillard averaged 24.9ppg on 17.1fga. Lillard was actually the higher efficiency player despite his lower fg% because he took 50% more 3's per game and made free throws at 92% instead of 82% like Brunson.

The Bucks were #1 in 3pt fg% but #17 in 3pt fga per 100 possessions. The Knicks were #8 in 3pt fg% and #26 in 3pt fga per 100 possessions and that is before you swap a lower volume, lower percentage Giannis for a higher volume higher percentage Mikal so i'm not sure why you would assume the spacing would be better for him in New York.

You ignored the part where I said we beat a broken down Celtics team not the version with a healthy Brown and KP who destroyed the Knicks for the past 2 seasons.

Oh so they were "Broken down" yet that same squad won a ring mostly without KP. They were getting beat with a healthy Tatum, and Brown was banged up...so what? Everybody is banged up that time of year. We beat them because we were better- despite what the regular season results said. Mind you Mitch was missing most of those games and Mitch MATTERS.

I'm just comparing the Celtics team that gave the Knicks trouble for 2 regular seasons to the one that the Knicks beat in the postseason. I don't care if Boston won a championship without KP. Brown was playing on a torn meniscus and Horford and Holiday were another year passed their prime and KP was a shell of himself. And Mitch was out there for some of those butt kickings the Celtics gave the Knicks 2 years ago. He had no answer for healthy KP's range either.

I said the Pacers showed a bigger gap between them and the Knicks than the Knicks showed between them and the Pistons despite them missing 2 rotational players. The Knicks had their own huge comeback against the Pistons in game 1 led by Payne of all people. They also needed a Brunson game winner and an obvious missed foul call to win 2 other games. The Pacers definitely beat the Knicks more decisively than the Knicks beat the Pistons. I'm hopeful that Brown makes better use of the players but that is unknown for now.

I disagree. there was the fluke game, and after that we pretty much alternating win spreads versus Indiana. Detroit games were close but you can thank Thibs **** tight azz rotation for that.

You can blame Thibs as much as you want but the results are the results. We don't know the difference Brown will make yet.

I don't know in what world the Bucks accept that offer for Giannis but do the salaries even match? Wouldn't the Knicks have to also include someone like Hart just to make the salaries match? And Mikal, Hart and Mitch are still terrible value for Giannis so the Bucks will definitely ask for all the available picks and young players especially Deuce. I'm sure they will be willing to send whatever players they don't want back to make the salaries match. The Bucks aren't going to just accept poor value AND let the Knicks keep their bench just because

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Ofcourse they match and I find it hilarious that you cant envison the Bucks accepting Mitch and Bridges but it's kinda hilarious that yuo CAN envision them accepting TOBIAS HARRIIS and change ...

The "change" (unprotected picks and young players, the basic formula for many star trades) is more appealing than anything you are willing to offer no matter how much you try to downplay it. No one voluntarily trades a top 5 player to have a Mikal, Turner, Kuzma core. Mitch probably walks too if he can stay healthy.

KAT, Brunson, Giannis and OG is an incredibly talented core but I hope that the Bucks and Knicks both learned that just throwing talent together doesn't mean they will fit together.

Nah they fit, and they fit rather well.

The same thing was said about the Bucks and the Knicks after the acquisition of Lillard and KAT and Wingstop. Somehow the Knicks core fit worse and worse as the year went along. We don't know how it will fit in reality.

What exactly do you think the Bucks would be accomplishing with a Mitch, Turner, Portis, Bridges, Kuzma etc core? Those teams aren't going anywhere whether they have Harris or Mikal and Mitch. They are just going to get worse as the years go along without the Bucks being to benefit from it since they don't have full control of their picks until 2031. So young players and picks or an actual star player have much more value to the Bucks than some complimentary pieces with nothing to compliment.

As far as Detroit, I don't really care who is NICER between Cade and Brunson. Lillard has always been considered NICER than Holiday and Middleton but I wouldn't say Lillard is a better fit next to Giannis when everyone is healthy. And I wouldn't be too worried about the surrounding pieces around Cade and Giannis because unlike the Knicks they have a ton more financial flexibility and trade capital between picks and young players to get whatever complimentary pieces necessary.

What do the Bucks accomplish with TOBIAS HARRIS Portis, Bridges, Kuzma etc core ? You keep mentioning young players...well can you please name these fantasy young players that the Bucks will be wetting there collective beds for?

You can post as many as you want but I don't even have to name any of the young players because you set the bar so low with the Mikal/Mitch offer while ignoring the huge gap in salaries that would cost the Knicks another player(s). The Pistons could beat that offer with picks alone. Do you really think Mikal/Mitch is an impressive offer for Giannis? Go post that idea anywhere outside of this Knicks board.

[knicks1999]

Watching Knicks film school top 25 players of last 25 years….they just did Kurt Thomas….was cool for us old timers talking about crazy eyes again!

[The Lamma]

Watching Knicks film school top 25 players of last 25 years….they just did Kurt Thomas….was cool for us old timers talking about crazy eyes again!

He was cool af. The kind of guy you love when he's on your team and can't stand if he ain't

Crazy eyes #1.

Crazy eyes #2?

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[The Lamma]

How many times did we not sign the best available free agent today?

[The Lamma]

A poll on who the best free agent fit is for us would be interesting. I would but I'm on my phone at work with about 2 minutes left on my break

[StlHawksFan]

How many times did we not sign the best available free agent today?

Knicks aren't going to sign anyone until we hit the start of week 3 of the season. At that point they'll probably sign the best available 3pt shooter and either Diawara or an undrafted rookie. We'll know about the latter if Diawara gets a 2-way. They probably don't want to make the mistake they did with Hukporti where they now are paying him more than they needed to because they converted him off a 2-way rather than starting him off with a rookie exception contract.

Of course if they had signed Kolek to a normal rookie exception then they wouldn't be trying to squeeze out every $ now

[spree2kawhi]

A poll on who the best free agent fit is for us would be interesting. I would but I'm on my phone at work with about 2 minutes left on my break

Whoever does it, please don’t forget to include Lonnie Walker and Westbrook.

[stuporman]

MoDi or maybe McCullar will get the last spot, I don't see the Knicks using up their apron flexibility on some retread vet unless it's something that is a definite no brainer not something that is brainless.

[knicks1999]

Is Clarkson really the answer at back up point?

[DaGawd]

Is Clarkson really the answer at back up point?

combo guard why not?

[The Lamma]

Is Clarkson really the answer at back up point?

combo guard why not?

He reminds me of Jamal Crawford. Flashy and can score and may end up on the highlight play reel, but is inefficient. Can win you a game one night and lose you one the next when he's off and still hoisting. Well rounded for a bench rotation player. For what we paid there is minimal risk (unless he's a locker room douche)

Final answer: Undecided/Wait and See

[Richard4444]

A poll on who the best free agent fit is for us would be interesting. I would but I'm on my phone at work with about 2 minutes left on my break

Whoever does it, please don’t forget to include Lonnie Walker and Westbrook.

Lonnie has signed with Maccabi Tel Aviv.

[JayTWill]

They got Mikal's extension done a few weeks ago but I haven't heard anything about Mitch. Time to crank up the trade machine?

[spree2kawhi]

A poll on who the best free agent fit is for us would be interesting. I would but I'm on my phone at work with about 2 minutes left on my break

Whoever does it, please don’t forget to include Lonnie Walker and Westbrook.

Lonnie has signed with Maccabi Tel Aviv.

He has an NBA out until the season starts.

[spree2kawhi]

They got Mikal's extension done a few weeks ago but I haven't heard anything about Mitch. Time to crank up the trade machine?

No, I don’t think so. We really need him and given his injury history, he should be fine with our offer.

[TheGreenArrow]

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