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Post#2081 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 1:57 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:If Kwesi had made a move for Richardson, would KOC survive that? :wink:

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Haha KOC might as well have a lifetime contract with Minny already.

With that said, I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if Richardson ends up on Minny in the next year or two. If anything, just have him be the next Darnold/Jones and sign him as a backup, build up his confidence and cash in a comp pick where he goes somewhere else. With Jones starting in Indy now, a 4th round comp pick is expected now for the Vikes. Just need to fire Kwesi so we could actually have a chance to use these picks on someone

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My guess is to free up cap space to trade for a WR. Jefferson is dealing with the hammy. Addison is suspended for 3 games and Nailor is hurt, and when he’s healthy he can’t catch the ball to save his life.

If this is just the only move they make, I have no idea. Because he’s a super solid starter and now with Hargrave and Allen on the line, his job becomes much easier.

But this has a Rob Brzezinski (Vikings cap guru) move written all over it, not a Kwesi/Grigson move. And when that’s the case, I don’t question it really. Brzezinski is as good as it gets in the league when it comes to cap management. So ya, expecting this to be a cap clearing move for a WR.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2082 » by Worm Guts » Thu Aug 21, 2025 10:53 am

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Haha KOC might as well have a lifetime contract with Minny already.

With that said, I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if Richardson ends up on Minny in the next year or two. If anything, just have him be the next Darnold/Jones and sign him as a backup, build up his confidence and cash in a comp pick where he goes somewhere else. With Jones starting in Indy now, a 4th round comp pick is expected now for the Vikes. Just need to fire Kwesi so we could actually have a chance to use these picks on someone

Why?

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My guess is to free up cap space to trade for a WR. Jefferson is dealing with the hammy. Addison is suspended for 3 games and Nailor is hurt, and when he’s healthy he can’t catch the ball to save his life.

If this is just the only move they make, I have no idea. Because he’s a super solid starter and now with Hargrave and Allen on the line, his job becomes much easier.

But this has a Rob Brzezinski (Vikings cap guru) move written all over it, not a Kwesi/Grigson move. And when that’s the case, I don’t question it really. Brzezinski is as good as it gets in the league when it comes to cap management. So ya, expecting this to be a cap clearing move for a WR.


I’m assuming the depth behind Phillips looked like it was just as capable as him. There’s a few young DTs on the team who the team likes. Ingram-Dawkins, Drake-Rodriguez and Elijah Williams all have supposedly been playing well during camp.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2083 » by Mamba Mentality » Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:32 pm

Hey Duke, what do you think of the Vikings defense this season. Can we expect some regression?
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Post#2084 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 3:42 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:Why?

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My guess is to free up cap space to trade for a WR. Jefferson is dealing with the hammy. Addison is suspended for 3 games and Nailor is hurt, and when he’s healthy he can’t catch the ball to save his life.

If this is just the only move they make, I have no idea. Because he’s a super solid starter and now with Hargrave and Allen on the line, his job becomes much easier.

But this has a Rob Brzezinski (Vikings cap guru) move written all over it, not a Kwesi/Grigson move. And when that’s the case, I don’t question it really. Brzezinski is as good as it gets in the league when it comes to cap management. So ya, expecting this to be a cap clearing move for a WR.


I’m assuming the depth behind Phillips looked like it was just as capable as him. There’s a few young DTs on the team who the team likes. Ingram-Dawkins, Drake-Rodriguez and Elijah Williams all have supposedly been playing well during camp.


Oh I agree, if there was a contract with some meat on it that they could afford to lose, it was Phillips. Again with the two big additions, the younger guys you mentioned and they are huge fans of Redmond as well. Phillips was the move to make.

I just think this screams, making cap moves to make a bigger move. Because it’s not like they needed to make the move to get themselves under the cap and there was essentially no value in return for him. So to me, this just seems like the quintessential move before a bigger move.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2085 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 3:47 pm

Mamba Mentality wrote:Hey Duke, what do you think of the Vikings defense this season. Can we expect some regression?


It really depends on what they get out of Hargrave and Allen. If they can stay healthy and perform at close to their higher end that they’ve shown, I think the defense will stay on the same level as last season.

So the front can end up being heavily upgraded, but the secondary took a big step back. Harrison Smith is a year older, they lost Bynum and didn’t replace him. And outside of Murphy, the DB room is just a bunch of scraps.

So my guess is, on the average play they will be better. But they will also give up more explosive big plays at a higher rate than last year.
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Post#2086 » by hermes » Thu Aug 21, 2025 6:01 pm

if moving phillips is making space for a wr, who could that be?
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Post#2087 » by Jaydubb » Thu Aug 21, 2025 6:39 pm

hermes wrote:is moving phillips is making space for a wr, who could that be?

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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2088 » by Mr B » Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:00 pm

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QB_Eagles wrote:When "access journalists" like Schefter report something, there's always a side that wants it to be news.

I don't see what the Packers gain from leaking the offer, so the source is either Micah's agent (to say how big his value is) or the Cowboys front office (to say they are willing to trade him).

The Packers “offer” is clearly coming from Parsons camp. He’s trying to generate any kind of leverage in his contract negotiations.

He’s playing checkers though while Jerry is playing chess. Parsons is playing right in to Jerry’s decrepit hands. Netflix dropped a documentary on Jerry and the Cowboys yesterday. Jerry is using Micah to generate publicity which he believes helps gets people to view his documentary.


RaoulDuke79 started watching this last night, and RaoulDuke79 was reminded what an utter moron Herschel Walker is.

Entertaining docuseries so far though. I was never a Dallas fan but as a lifelong Texas boy it brings up some nostalgia for the early-mid 90's.

Herschel Walker is absolutely a moron.
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Post#2089 » by Mr B » Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:08 pm

Micah better get used to being in Dallas. He isn’t going anywhere for at least 3 seasons.

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Post#2090 » by Mr B » Fri Aug 22, 2025 1:22 am

This is pretty much the whole story right here.

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Post#2091 » by LAKESHOW » Fri Aug 22, 2025 3:41 am

Uh oh, looks like the agent is getting in the way. And Micah doesn't have the Balls to make the decision or make the call
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Post#2092 » by QB_Eagles » Fri Aug 22, 2025 3:35 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:Uh oh, looks like the agent is getting in the way. And Micah doesn't have the Balls to make the decision or make the call

I wouldn't call it getting in the way.

Micah is young enough to get two big paydays.

Tyron Smith's contract was team-friendly.
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Post#2093 » by LAKESHOW » Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:21 pm

Highest paid Non QB? That about right
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2094 » by Mr B » Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:06 pm

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LAKESHOW wrote:Uh oh, looks like the agent is getting in the way. And Micah doesn't have the Balls to make the decision or make the call

I wouldn't call it getting in the way.

Micah is young enough to get two big paydays.

Tyron Smith's contract was team-friendly.

The agent actually is doing his job. What Micah needs to decide who’s in charge him or his agent. A good agent is going to do everything he can to get Micah the biggest and best deal possible. Is Micah willing to sit out for the next 3 years? He would lose $21M per season if he sat out that long. Plus if he sits out a whole season the season doesn’t count, he would still owe a year to the Cowboys. Is he going to allow his agent to continue doing his job and fighting for more money or is Micah going to say enough is enough?

Micah is very much about HIS brand first. His legacy matters to him. How would his legacy and brand marketability increase if he’s traded to the Jaguars?

I don’t know if it’s true but Jerry said he did offer Micah (not his agent) a contract that would have paid him $43M-$45M per season for 6-7 seasons and with over $200M guaranteed. That contract is a bit long (salary cap purposes I’m sure) but fair. It was fair enough for Micah to like it and say send it to his agent. Micah’s agent looks at the deal and wants to renegotiate starting with the terms Jerry and Micah agreed on. Again, agent is doing his job but if Micah likes the deal, then who’s in charge? Seems the agent is in full command here.

It kind of reminds me of when the Texas Rangers were negotiating with Pudge Rodriguez (late 90’s). Pudge’s agent and the team could not agree on a deal. Pudge had to go in to the GM’s office himself and finish the deal. He got a fair deal and got to stay in Texas (until they traded him). Pudge realized HE was in charge and agreed to a deal HE liked. Micah might have to do the same here if he’s really concerned about his brand and legacy.
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Post#2095 » by Mr B » Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:08 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:Highest paid Non QB? That about right

According to Jerry that is what he offered Micah and Micah liked the offer enough to have Jerry send it to his agent. The agent turned it down.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2096 » by Jaydubb » Fri Aug 22, 2025 11:23 pm

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LAKESHOW wrote:Highest paid Non QB? That about right

According to Jerry that is what he offered Micah and Micah liked the offer enough to have Jerry send it to his agent. The agent turned it down.

Didn’t Jerry also say that offer is now off the table? If I was Micah I’d be pissed.

Sounds to me like whenever this supposed convo happened, Jerry gave the basic info (years, total money, guarantees, signing bonus etc) and Micah is like “yeah write up a contract and send it to my agent!”. Then the agent took some time to look it over and probably didn’t like some minor details written in there and said to change it and Jerry is like “we already agreed to this!”
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Post#2097 » by Mr B » Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:12 am

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LAKESHOW wrote:Highest paid Non QB? That about right

According to Jerry that is what he offered Micah and Micah liked the offer enough to have Jerry send it to his agent. The agent turned it down.

Didn’t Jerry also say that offer is now off the table? If I was Micah I’d be pissed.

Sounds to me like whenever this supposed convo happened, Jerry gave the basic info (years, total money, guarantees, signing bonus etc) and Micah is like “yeah write up a contract and send it to my agent!”. Then the agent took some time to look it over and probably didn’t like some minor details written in there and said to change it and Jerry is like “we already agreed to this!”

Again according to Jerry (take what he says with a grain of salt) the agent didn’t reject the offer because of semantics, and contract language. According to Jerry he had a full on negotiation with Micah. He had a number he started at and moved off that number when talking to Micah. They then agreed in a number. Jerry says the agent never looked over the whole deal. He just wanted to renegotiate and start the new negotiations at the number that Jerry and Micah agreed on. If it’s true that actually shows bad faith in Micah.

Also remember this is the same agent that Jalen Ramsey had in his negotiations with the Rams.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2098 » by Jaydubb » Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:15 am

Mr B wrote:
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Mr B wrote:According to Jerry that is what he offered Micah and Micah liked the offer enough to have Jerry send it to his agent. The agent turned it down.

Didn’t Jerry also say that offer is now off the table? If I was Micah I’d be pissed.

Sounds to me like whenever this supposed convo happened, Jerry gave the basic info (years, total money, guarantees, signing bonus etc) and Micah is like “yeah write up a contract and send it to my agent!”. Then the agent took some time to look it over and probably didn’t like some minor details written in there and said to change it and Jerry is like “we already agreed to this!”

Again according to Jerry (take what he says with a grain of salt) the agent didn’t reject the offer because of semantics, and contract language. According to Jerry he had a full on negotiation with Micah. He had a number he started at and moved off that number when talking to Micah. They then agreed in a number. Jerry says the agent never looked over the whole deal. He just wanted to renegotiate and start the new negotiations at the number that Jerry and Micah agreed on. If it’s true that actually shows bad faith in Micah.

Also remember this is the same agent that Jalen Ramsey had in his negotiations with the Rams.

It’s hard to know who to believe to be honest
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2099 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:18 am

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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2100 » by Jaydubb » Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:25 am

Is Barry sanders, I mean Jaydon blue playing?

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