Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Zvaart]

I don't know what EvanZ's deal is. Considering this is a basketball forum, he has a strange posting history...

I got flagged for a comment, yet I’ve seen worse stuff fly under the radar here.

Honestly, I only ended up here after ProSportsDaily shut down, and the quality just isn’t the same.

It’s frustrating seeing the same handful of users repeating the same opinions without much room for actual debate. I guess Reddit is where the better discussions are happening these days.

LOL, I got flagged for saying Stan on the general board.

same.

[EvanZ]

The r/warriors board is awful in terms of Warriors takes. They'd have us starting Kuminga and giving him 30% usage lol.

[vvoland]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson

Yeah. I'm not even a fan of Cam but, it's a hell of a lot better than the midgets we're currently being offered. Keon included.

That said, the pick Bkn got is a PREMIUM pick and there are only so many of those (post curry) picks to throw around. Do we save our ammo, get JK on 20M, and throw him/moody/podz & salary plus some/all of the picks for the most available star that fits? I am not talking waiting on giannis to ask out. I'm saying going for the next Jimmy, even if it looks awkward from the outside.

Maybe Towns (if MB has an awful start) or Turner (instead of Giannis) or DJM, Trey Murphy, Lauri, etc etc etc. I don't like half those guys and don't think they'd fit but, 12 months ago, I would have said that about Jimmy (risks of personality fit, contract issue, age, & play style were all orange to red flags).

[xdrta+]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson

When was that? Not during the season, there was no way to fit him under the Warriors hard-cap.

[cpower]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson

When was that? Not during the season, there was no way to fit him under the Warriors hard-cap.

SnT .

[xdrta+]

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson

When was that? Not during the season, there was no way to fit him under the Warriors hard-cap.

SnT .

Let's see the trade. Including Moody? Hard capping the Warriors? Because by itself it's not a real trade.

[Twinkie defense]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson

Of course I'm joking about Giddey, and Cam Johnson is a nice player and sure I'd prefer him to Kuminga, but I don't see him as a big enough difference-maker to tie up the Warriors cap plus lose another first-round pick...

[Twinkie defense]

Should trade Kuminga and three firsts for Giddey.

i mean, we could have traded Kuminga + 1 first for CAM johnson

When was that? Not during the season, there was no way to fit him under the Warriors hard-cap.

Before the Jimmy Butler trade, when the Warriors traded for Dennis Schröder?
And if the Warriors did that (assuming it was possible), that means no Jimmy Butler.

Jimmy Butler > all the trades Warriors fans were proposing before the trade deadline.

[cpower]

When was that? Not during the season, there was no way to fit him under the Warriors hard-cap.

SnT .

Let's see the trade. Including Moody? Hard capping the Warriors? Because by itself it's not a real trade.

Kuminga (SnT 24) + Moody (11.5) + unprotected 1st for CAM (20.5) . We should still be able to get a decent player for 5 (TMLe)

[whatisacenter]

I wasn't a fan of trading for Jimmy Butler but it worked out better than I thought it would(short term) and the FO didn't have to give up as much as I thought it would take to land him.....But, ultimately I am still not that impressed with the addition.

He is paid and acts like a superstar but he isn't one.

If Steph misses any serious time next season Jimmy and Draymond aren't going to get it done.

[xdrta+]

SnT .

Let's see the trade. Including Moody? Hard capping the Warriors? Because by itself it's not a real trade.

Kuminga (SnT 24) + Moody (11.5) + unprotected 1st for CAM (20.5) . We should still be able to get a decent player for 5 (TMLe)

As I said it's not just Johnson and a pick, you're dumping Moody too. And why would Bkn want Kuminga instead of MPJ?

[cpower]

Let's see the trade. Including Moody? Hard capping the Warriors? Because by itself it's not a real trade.

Kuminga (SnT 24) + Moody (11.5) + unprotected 1st for CAM (20.5) . We should still be able to get a decent player for 5 (TMLe)

As I said it's not just Johnson and a pick, you're dumping Moody too. And why would Bkn want Kuminga instead of MPJ?

why would not they? MPJ at 38M is a negative contract.

[HiRez]

I wasn't a fan of trading for Jimmy Butler but it worked out better than I thought it would(short term) and the FO didn't have to give up as much as I thought it would take to land him.....But, ultimately I am still not that impressed with the addition.

He is paid and acts like a superstar but he isn't one.

If Steph misses any serious time next season Jimmy and Draymond aren't going to get it done.

Sure, for the same money you'd rather have Giannis or whatever if it's a fantasy league, but 23-7 after he was acquired (after flailing before) is a rather superstar-like effect.

I am also concerned about the age of the whole team though, the chances that none of these guys is going to have an extended injury is low.

[Larry Ellison]

I wasn't a fan of trading for Jimmy Butler but it worked out better than I thought it would(short term) and the FO didn't have to give up as much as I thought it would take to land him.....But, ultimately I am still not that impressed with the addition.

He is paid and acts like a superstar but he isn't one.

If Steph misses any serious time next season Jimmy and Draymond aren't going to get it done.

Though perhaps not a superstar, Jimmy is an elite player and a synergistic fit with Steph/Dray on both ends of the floor. Last season proved that. They were winning games, Steph was revitalized, and the defense was one of the best in the league. That being said, I agree with your last statement. Jimmy and Dray cannot get it done without Steph. I would take it a step further. The Warriors are not a contender unless ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS are healthy and on the floor together. They elevate each other's production. An injury to any of them will reduce the effectiveness of the remaining 2 healthy guys.

[Onus]

I wasn't a fan of trading for Jimmy Butler but it worked out better than I thought it would(short term) and the FO didn't have to give up as much as I thought it would take to land him.....But, ultimately I am still not that impressed with the addition.

He is paid and acts like a superstar but he isn't one.

If Steph misses any serious time next season Jimmy and Draymond aren't going to get it done.

Though perhaps not a superstar, Jimmy is an elite player and a synergistic fit with Steph/Dray on both ends of the floor. Last season proved that. They were winning games, Steph was revitalized, and the defense was one of the best in the league. That being said, I agree with your last statement. Jimmy and Dray cannot get it done without Steph. I would take it a step further. The Warriors are not a contender unless ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS are healthy and on the floor together. They elevate each other's production. An injury to any of them will reduce the effectiveness of the remaining 2 healthy guys.

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

[whatisacenter]

I wasn't a fan of trading for Jimmy Butler but it worked out better than I thought it would(short term) and the FO didn't have to give up as much as I thought it would take to land him.....But, ultimately I am still not that impressed with the addition.

He is paid and acts like a superstar but he isn't one.

If Steph misses any serious time next season Jimmy and Draymond aren't going to get it done.

Though perhaps not a superstar, Jimmy is an elite player and a synergistic fit with Steph/Dray on both ends of the floor. Last season proved that. They were winning games, Steph was revitalized, and the defense was one of the best in the league. That being said, I agree with your last statement. Jimmy and Dray cannot get it done without Steph. I would take it a step further. The Warriors are not a contender unless ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS are healthy and on the floor together. They elevate each other's production. An injury to any of them will reduce the effectiveness of the remaining 2 healthy guys.

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

[CS707]

Though perhaps not a superstar, Jimmy is an elite player and a synergistic fit with Steph/Dray on both ends of the floor. Last season proved that. They were winning games, Steph was revitalized, and the defense was one of the best in the league. That being said, I agree with your last statement. Jimmy and Dray cannot get it done without Steph. I would take it a step further. The Warriors are not a contender unless ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS are healthy and on the floor together. They elevate each other's production. An injury to any of them will reduce the effectiveness of the remaining 2 healthy guys.

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

[whatisacenter]

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

The team is being built around Steph, Jimmy and Draymond...that's why I included him. He was terrible in the Wolves series without Curry.

[Larry Ellison]

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

Do you think he was 100%? That was a nasty fall he took in the HOU series.

[Onus]

Though perhaps not a superstar, Jimmy is an elite player and a synergistic fit with Steph/Dray on both ends of the floor. Last season proved that. They were winning games, Steph was revitalized, and the defense was one of the best in the league. That being said, I agree with your last statement. Jimmy and Dray cannot get it done without Steph. I would take it a step further. The Warriors are not a contender unless ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS are healthy and on the floor together. They elevate each other's production. An injury to any of them will reduce the effectiveness of the remaining 2 healthy guys.

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

The team is a lottery team without Steph. Jimmy ain’t Steph.

Any team losing their best player isn’t going anywhere. I guess we’ve been spoiled that Steph has been injured in the playoffs and we’ve been able to win games before but that was when we were ahead of the analytics curve in basketball.