Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[CS707]

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

Do you think he was 100%? That was a nasty fall he took in the HOU series.

Potentially, which is why I don’t dwell on it too much but assigning similar expectations for carrying the team to him and Draymond is disingenuous.

[whatisacenter]

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

Do you think he was 100%? That was a nasty fall he took in the HOU series.

Personally, I didn't think he looked that compromised in the Wolves series.

[whatisacenter]

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

Do you think he was 100%? That was a nasty fall he took in the HOU series.

Potentially, which is why I don’t dwell on it too much but assigning similar expectations for carrying the team to him and Draymond is disingenuous.

Obviously I don't agree.

The team was and is built around Steph, Draymond and Jimmy.

Jimmy is paid more than double Draymond but Green is the third highest paid player on the team, and while nobody would expect him to carry the team with his scoring, he made very little impact in other ways on offense and defensively he was a no show.

[Dubs 707]

The r/warriors board is awful in terms of Warriors takes. They'd have us starting Kuminga and giving him 30% usage lol.

The vast majority want to trade him to Sac for Ellis.

[DAWill1128]

I am still amazed they went this route with the #7 pick, with Kuminga. They had so many better options over the years than to let him hold the franchise hostage at this point.

I think the Warriors will have to take whatever they can get, it will be a disgruntled distraction if Kuminga comes back. The only way I can see this working is if Dray goes to the bench, and even thats a potentially volatile situation to let play out.

[Larry Ellison]

I am still amazed they went this route with the #7 pick, with Kuminga. They had so many better options over the years than to let him hold the franchise hostage at this point.

I think the Warriors will have to take whatever they can get, it will be a disgruntled distraction if Kuminga comes back. The only way I can see this working is if Dray goes to the bench, and even thats a potentially volatile situation to let play out.

The sign and trade offers are crap so we definitely should not "take what we can get." JK has no leverage. Does anyone really think he will give up $14M in salary for the 2025-2026 season by taking the QO? Never going to happen. MDJ is playing this correctly by holding firm. He is showing patience which is a valuable trait to possess when negotiating. JK will capitulate eventually. If this makes him disgruntled, so be it. We need him on a tradable contract. There will be better offers midseason when the BYC rules don't apply for salary matching.

[SpreeS]

I am still amazed they went this route with the #7 pick, with Kuminga. They had so many better options over the years than to let him hold the franchise hostage at this point.

I think the Warriors will have to take whatever they can get, it will be a disgruntled distraction if Kuminga comes back. The only way I can see this working is if Dray goes to the bench, and even thats a potentially volatile situation to let play out.

No one fault except GSW for this situation. Kerr burned every possible bridge to resolve Kuminga problem. And Kuminga doesnt hold the franchise as hostage, they have plenty of options to trade him or to offer market value contract.

[cpower]

I am still amazed they went this route with the #7 pick, with Kuminga. They had so many better options over the years than to let him hold the franchise hostage at this point.

I think the Warriors will have to take whatever they can get, it will be a disgruntled distraction if Kuminga comes back. The only way I can see this working is if Dray goes to the bench, and even thats a potentially volatile situation to let play out.

No one fault except GSW for this situation. Kerr burned every possible bridge to resolve Kuminga problem. And Kuminga doesnt hold the franchise as hostage, they have plenty of options to trade him or to offer market value contract.

how is it Kerr ' s fault when he was the only one calling out JK is not the future? Lacob/Myers is here to blame , this is basically Wiseman all over again.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Its odd to me that some people want our entire offense to revolve around jk. And it's everyone else's fault but his. The guy has had 4 years to learn and try to acclimate to the the greatest offensive and defensive engine (and possibly coach) of our generation. Yet it's still Steve's fault, coaches fault, Jimmy's fault, Dray's fault wiggins fault etc.. Do people actually think the team hasn't tried to coach him up to fit in the team concept?

[cpower]

Its odd to me that some people want our entire offense to revolve around jk. And it's everyone else's fault but his. The guy has had 4 years to learn and try to acclimate to the the greatest offensive and defensive engine (and possibly coach) of our generation. Yet it's still Steve's fault, coaches fault, Jimmy's fault, Dray's fault wiggins fault etc.. Do people actually think the team hasn't tried to coach him up to fit in the team concept?

almost like people never worked before - imagine a young senior is being hired to a department where the manger is about to retire in 4 years. The new hired senior is asked to take more responsibility but he keeps failing the tasks and near end of year 4 he can only do what he started 4 years ago (doing ok when under the manager's lead but doing horrible when he leads). Is he going to be promoted to manager? of course not, and I dont know why this is everyone else's fault but his.

[Ilovethebay]

Its odd to me that some people want our entire offense to revolve around jk. And it's everyone else's fault but his. The guy has had 4 years to learn and try to acclimate to the the greatest offensive and defensive engine (and possibly coach) of our generation. Yet it's still Steve's fault, coaches fault, Jimmy's fault, Dray's fault wiggins fault etc.. Do people actually think the team hasn't tried to coach him up to fit in the team concept?

Lol. Name one person who wants this.

[EvanZ]

What Kuminga doesn't get is that the Warriors are actually trying to help him get traded by adding that team option on the second year. That makes his contract more tradable not less. Teams aren't going to give up anything for a guy who would otherwise just be an expiring contract. In that case it's literally just cap filler. The Team Option isn't there so the Warriors can suddenly change their mind on the guy in 2027. And in reality since so many teams are capped it's probably much easier to be traded out of GS for Kuminga and get that $20M than for him to get it as a UFA next summer.

[CS707]

Do you think he was 100%? That was a nasty fall he took in the HOU series.

Potentially, which is why I don’t dwell on it too much but assigning similar expectations for carrying the team to him and Draymond is disingenuous.

Obviously I don't agree.

The team was and is built around Steph, Draymond and Jimmy.

Jimmy is paid more than double Draymond but Green is the third highest paid player on the team, and while nobody would expect him to carry the team with his scoring, he made very little impact in other ways on offense and defensively he was a no show.

Draymond was not up to standard. Randall was a tough matchup and Dray got into foul trouble, some of the calls being pretty questionable. Lack of offense contributes to taking bigger risks defensively as well. Either way, not a great series for him but in no way are the Warriors "built around" him nor should he carry the same expectations of a player making double the salary.

[whatisacenter]

Its odd to me that some people want our entire offense to revolve around jk. And it's everyone else's fault but his. The guy has had 4 years to learn and try to acclimate to the the greatest offensive and defensive engine (and possibly coach) of our generation. Yet it's still Steve's fault, coaches fault, Jimmy's fault, Dray's fault wiggins fault etc.. Do people actually think the team hasn't tried to coach him up to fit in the team concept?

Lol. Name one person who wants this.

Right? I am probably one of JK's biggest fans on this board and I hope that he gets traded rather than stay for even another half a season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Its odd to me that some people want our entire offense to revolve around jk. And it's everyone else's fault but his. The guy has had 4 years to learn and try to acclimate to the the greatest offensive and defensive engine (and possibly coach) of our generation. Yet it's still Steve's fault, coaches fault, Jimmy's fault, Dray's fault wiggins fault etc.. Do people actually think the team hasn't tried to coach him up to fit in the team concept?

Lol. Name one person who wants this.

Right? I am probably one of JK's biggest fans on this board and I hope that he gets traded rather than stay for even another half a season.

People want kuminga to get big minutes.

He doesnt fit what they want to do. They've been trying for 4 years.

So everyone else needs to fit around him.

Jk has a 6th man and do what he wants off the bench? Great.

25M+ starter to call his own number while sharing the floor with steph and jimmy? No thanks.

Kuminga himself said on many occasions that he wants to be prioritized in the offense. How else is he going to get that if he won't fit? Team will need to build the offense around him. The guy carries an insane usg whenever he touches the floor.

[Ilovethebay]

Lol. Name one person who wants this.

Right? I am probably one of JK's biggest fans on this board and I hope that he gets traded rather than stay for even another half a season.

People want kuminga to get big minutes.

He doesnt fit what they want to do. They've been trying for 4 years.

So everyone else needs to fit around him.

Jk has a 6th man and do what he wants off the bench? Great.

25M+ starter to call his own number while sharing the floor with steph and jimmy? No thanks.

Kuminga himself said on many occasions that he wants to be prioritized in the offense. How else is he going to get that if he won't fit? Team will need to build the offense around him. The guy carries an insane usg whenever he touches the floor.

Please stop moving the goalposts. Nobody wants the offense that you claimed. Nobody. The fact that you could write those words shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Lol. Yeah let’s make Steph JK’s wingman.
I swear some of you anti JK guys are the worst.

[HiRez]

Is there a contender that can survive an injury to their top 3 guys in the playoffs?

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

The funny thing is everyone BUT Kuminga came up short in the Wolves series, although Buddy shot well from outside (but 0-4 in the last game). I really think they had a chance to take that series, but no one could hit a damn shot from anywhere on the floor, and it's not because of ferocious defense, they were missing wide open shots. Jimmy has an asterisk because of the injury, it's hard to say what effect that had, but he was definitely less than 100% (later we learned Podz and Moses also had some injuries).


3P% in Wolves series:

Buddy 43%
Kuminga 42%
Post 33%
Podz 30%
Jimmy 30%
Moses 27%
Draymond 26%
Santos 25%


FG% in Wolves series:

Kuminga 54%
Santos 50%
Jimmy 43%
Draymond 39%
Post 38%
Buddy 36%
Podz 34%
Moses 22%

[CS707]

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

The funny thing is everyone BUT Kuminga came up short in the Wolves series, although Buddy shot well from outside (but 0-4 in the last game). I really think they had a chance to take that series, but no one could hit a damn shot from anywhere on the floor, and it's not because of ferocious defense, they were missing wide open shots. Jimmy has an asterisk because of the injury, it's hard to say what effect that had, but he was definitely less than 100%.


3P% in Wolves series:

Buddy 43%
Kuminga 42%
Post 33%
Podz 30%
Jimmy 30%
Moses 27%
Draymond 26%
Santos 25%


FG% in Wolves series:

Kuminga 54%
Santos 50%
Jimmy 43%
Draymond 39%
Post 38%
Buddy 36%
Podz 34%
Moses 22%

Sure, it wasn't a great series by anyone, but the threshold of tolerance should follow pay scale.

If I'm giving someone the side eye, it's the guy that's got the 8th highest cap hit in the next year, not the 69th.

[cpower]

I didn't expect them to win the series without Curry but is it too much to ask Jimmy and Draymond to win A game against a team like the Wolves?

Jimmy had a couple of good games and a couple where he could barely buy a bucket.

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

The funny thing is everyone BUT Kuminga came up short in the Wolves series, although Buddy shot well from outside (but 0-4 in the last game). I really think they had a chance to take that series, but no one could hit a damn shot from anywhere on the floor, and it's not because of ferocious defense, they were missing wide open shots. Jimmy has an asterisk because of the injury, it's hard to say what effect that had, but he was definitely less than 100% (later we learned Podz and Moses also had some injuries).


3P% in Wolves series:

Buddy 43%
Kuminga 42%
Post 33%
Podz 30%
Jimmy 30%
Moses 27%
Draymond 26%
Santos 25%


FG% in Wolves series:

Kuminga 54%
Santos 50%
Jimmy 43%
Draymond 39%
Post 38%
Buddy 36%
Podz 34%
Moses 22%

+/- in Wolves series:

Post +18
Steph + 10
GP2 -7
Moody/Podz -13
Buddy/Looney -16
Dray -24
Jimmy/Kuminga -37

[Larry Ellison]

I’m not sure why you’d shoehorn Draymond into this. His production for what he’s paid is excellent. Jimmy is a top 10 paid player in the league, over twice what Dray makes. He’s the one that came up short.

The funny thing is everyone BUT Kuminga came up short in the Wolves series, although Buddy shot well from outside (but 0-4 in the last game). I really think they had a chance to take that series, but no one could hit a damn shot from anywhere on the floor, and it's not because of ferocious defense, they were missing wide open shots. Jimmy has an asterisk because of the injury, it's hard to say what effect that had, but he was definitely less than 100%.


3P% in Wolves series:

Buddy 43%
Kuminga 42%
Post 33%
Podz 30%
Jimmy 30%
Moses 27%
Draymond 26%
Santos 25%


FG% in Wolves series:

Kuminga 54%
Santos 50%
Jimmy 43%
Draymond 39%
Post 38%
Buddy 36%
Podz 34%
Moses 22%

Sure, it wasn't a great series by anyone, but the threshold of tolerance should follow pay scale.

If I'm giving someone the side eye, it's the guy that's got the 8th highest cap hit in the next year, not the 69th.

No need for a side eye. But it's fair to put those expectations on Jimmy for this upcoming year. He forced his way out of Miami because he wanted a big money extension so he needs to play up to that level. His body of work with the Warriors last year was very good overall. I mean, he turned their season around. On court play and locker room chemistry. I think he was playing in pain during the Minny series, plus Minny is a good defensive team. Agree with you that Dray is on a reasonable contract.