OT : Eurobasket 2025

[UcanUwill]

Another last second out. Satoransky got hurt.

[levon]

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/1858764/fiba-eurobasket-2025-ten-best-players
Top 10 players in Eurobasket via Eurohoops article.

1. Nikola Jokic
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
3. Luka Doncic
4. Lauri Markkanen
5. Franz Wagner
6. Alperen Sengun
7. Nikola Vucevic
8. Kristaps Porzingis
9. Jonas Valanciunas
10. Simone Fontecchio

Jonas and especially Fontecchio in the top 10 is quite questionable, but what do you think?

Give me Luka over Giannis at this point. And Wagner over Markannen.

[Greek]

Greece just won full squad Italy without Giannis, Sloukas (our best PG), and Mitoglou (our best PF other than Giannis), both of them will starting. I wasn't very high on this team but after today I got my spirit up. Given the absence of Papagiannis it looks like one of Samodurov ( 6'11 stretch PF, 20 yo playing for Panathinaikos) and Zougris (6'8 250+ 20 yo small ball C who will play next season for louisville) will make the final cut. Thanassis is looking healthy again and athletic as ever.

Other than Serbia and maybe Germany i think we
can make some noise, and Giannis gets what is missing from his resume a success to an international competition

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[RookieStar]

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/1858764/fiba-eurobasket-2025-ten-best-players
Top 10 players in Eurobasket via Eurohoops article.

1. Nikola Jokic
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
3. Luka Doncic
4. Lauri Markkanen
5. Franz Wagner
6. Alperen Sengun
7. Nikola Vucevic
8. Kristaps Porzingis
9. Jonas Valanciunas
10. Simone Fontecchio

Jonas and especially Fontecchio in the top 10 is quite questionable, but what do you think?

Based on stats/me-ball ( aka carrying the team) Giannis could be ahead of Jokic then Lauri then Luka. Jokic and Franz next because I "feel" they won't have to carry as much ( aka dont need to max stats ) because their team doesn't need to be.

But if you are talking about overall... list is probably fine. Funny is Schroeder isn't there just after that interview I read on reddit where he "more-or-less" describes himself as the 2nd coming of Dirk in GER.

[Mirotic12]

Greece just won full squad Italy without Giannis, Sloukas (our best PG), and Mitoglou (our best PF other than Giannis), both of them will starting. I wasn't very high on this team but after today I got my spirit up. Given the absence of Papagiannis it looks like one of Samodurov ( 6'11 stretch PF, 20 yo playing for Panathinaikos) and Zougris (6'8 250+ 20 yo small ball C who will play next season for louisville) will make the final cut. Thanassis is looking healthy again and athletic as ever.

Other than Serbia and maybe Germany i think we
can make some noise, and Giannis gets what is missing from his resume a success to an international competition.

Even with several players missing, Greece still has the clearly best coach in the tournament, Giannis, Sloukas (even though he's massively overrated, he's still a good EuroLeague player), and 9 experienced EuroLeague champion caliber role players.

That is more than enough to potentially make good results at any FIBA tournament. That's as much or more than 90% of the teams in the world have to work with, as long as the players do what the coach says.

As far as Giannis' resume, I don't think a single EuroBasket bronze will do much for it. Especially since Greece has one of the upper level rosters at the tournament. So it wouldn't be like Dirk getting a bronze with a mid-level roster.

He'd probably at least need to get to a final, or actually win it, if they somehow got lucky and avoided Serbia in a final. Otherwise, it's not doing much of anything at all for his legacy. The only team in the tournament that on paper shouldn't be beatable by Greece is Serbia. So just getting a bronze at this tournament wouldn't actually be all that impressive.

[Sgt Major]

Greece still has the clearly best coach in the tournament

[Mrakar]

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/1858764/fiba-eurobasket-2025-ten-best-players
Top 10 players in Eurobasket via Eurohoops article.

1. Nikola Jokic
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
3. Luka Doncic
4. Lauri Markkanen
5. Franz Wagner
6. Alperen Sengun
7. Nikola Vucevic
8. Kristaps Porzingis
9. Jonas Valanciunas
10. Simone Fontecchio

Jonas and especially Fontecchio in the top 10 is quite questionable, but what do you think?

Lol, FIBA Bogdanovic is better then half of that list. He carried Serbia to World cup Finals without Jokic. That list is made by someone that watches a lot of NBA and not a lot of FIBA basketball. I rember people would think that Sabonis is top tier star in FIBA for years just bcs he puts some numbers in the NBA.

[UcanUwill]

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/1858764/fiba-eurobasket-2025-ten-best-players
Top 10 players in Eurobasket via Eurohoops article.

1. Nikola Jokic
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
3. Luka Doncic
4. Lauri Markkanen
5. Franz Wagner
6. Alperen Sengun
7. Nikola Vucevic
8. Kristaps Porzingis
9. Jonas Valanciunas
10. Simone Fontecchio

Jonas and especially Fontecchio in the top 10 is quite questionable, but what do you think?

Lol, FIBA Bogdanovic is better then half of that list. He carried Serbia to World cup Finals without Jokic. That list is made by someone that watches a lot of NBA and not a lot of FIBA basketball. I rember people would think that Sabonis is top tier star in FIBA for years just bcs he puts some numbers in the NBA.

Yeah, I think Bogdan and then Shroeder are very weird omissions. Fontecchio leveled up in the NBA, but I still would not put him ahead some non NBA players, let alone NBA players like Bogdan.

[UcanUwill]

Spanoulis is legit diety figure to that man... He is smarter and better than everyone and he has not sinned in his life rofl. Also, he had 40 inch vertical you know, he just didn't use it cause...

[Mirotic12]

Greece still has the clearly best coach in the tournament

He is. In his first club coaching job, he worked miracles with Peristeri and a 1.2 budget. He made the BCL final four, where the other three teams had 8 to 12 times the budget. They lost the semis because the other team, with an 8 times bigger budget, got a lucky bounce on an offensive rebound.

In a season series of 7 games against EuroLeague team Panathinaikos, which had a 21 times bigger budget, Peristeri managed to win 3 out of the 7 games. One of the four losses was a one point loss. So they were two points away from winning 4 out of 7 against a team with a 21 times bigger budget.

In his first national team job, he got Greece's "C" / "D" team (using the same logic every NBA fan here uses, it's their "C", or even "D" team) to the Olympics through a difficult qualifier. Then made the Olympic quarters, after making it out of the hardest group of death in FIBA history. They were eliminated by Germany, a top 5 team in the world.

As a EuroLeague rookie coach, he destroyed Bartzokas ("the second best coach in Europe", according to the media) and Olympiacos in the EuroLeague semis, even though they had a deeper team and way more shooting and scoring power.

He had the lead against Saras and Fener in the EuroLeague final, until Mike James, Elie Okobo, and Daniel Theis decided to throw away the game, with hall of fame level choking, especially James.

He made the EuroLeague Final as a rookie coach, despite having Mike James on his team. The same Mike James that is running neck and neck with Niko Mirotic, for being the greatest choker in EuroLeague history.

Still, on the season, he won 2 out of 3 games against Saras ("the best coach in Europe", according to the media) and probably would have won all 3, if James didn't do one of the greatest choking acts ever in the second half of the final.

He took Paris, a EuroLeague playoff team, to 5 games, in a 5 game series format. In the series, Paris had homecourt advantage and a full team.

Spanoulis' team played the series without its leading scorers, with 7 healthy players, and with wings playing as centers, and still somehow had the lead going into the 4th quarter of game 5 on the road. This was against Tiago Splitter, who is "a basketball genius savant" according to European media.

Scariolo, Pesic, Fauthoux, Ataman, Mumbru, Banchi, Kurtinaitis, Dzikic, Djergja, Pozzecco, Milicic, Pedersen, Sekulic, etc., could not have as good results with the same circumstances.

If Serbia had Spanoulis as their coach instead of Pesic, they would have won the gold at the Olympics. If France had Spanoulis as their coach instead of Collett, they would have won the gold at the Olympics.

Not one of the other coaches at this tournament could get Peristeri to a BCL final four. None of them could do it. Not one of the other coaches at this tournament could get Monaco to a EuroLeague final. None of them could do it.

So yeah, Greece has the best coach in the tournament.

[Mirotic12]

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/1858764/fiba-eurobasket-2025-ten-best-players
Top 10 players in Eurobasket via Eurohoops article.

1. Nikola Jokic
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo
3. Luka Doncic
4. Lauri Markkanen
5. Franz Wagner
6. Alperen Sengun
7. Nikola Vucevic
8. Kristaps Porzingis
9. Jonas Valanciunas
10. Simone Fontecchio

Jonas and especially Fontecchio in the top 10 is quite questionable, but what do you think?

Lol, FIBA Bogdanovic is better then half of that list. He carried Serbia to World cup Finals without Jokic. That list is made by someone that watches a lot of NBA and not a lot of FIBA basketball. I rember people would think that Sabonis is top tier star in FIBA for years just bcs he puts some numbers in the NBA.

Eurohoops and also BasketNews are the two biggest European sports media that cover basketball. They can be very usefull for coverage and news. But they are also huge hype sites that clearly operate with an ESPN model, especially BasketNews.

Eurohoops isn't as bad overall with the ESPN like stuff as BasketNews is, but when it comes to rating players they are usually ridiculous. BasketNews is even worse though, it's almost like a TMZ model with stuff like that.

[Sgt Major]

Not replying to all that. Pesic is like four or five tiers above Spanoulis.

[UcanUwill]

Not replying to all that. Pesic is like four or five tiers above Spanoulis.

Scariolo is also coaching still... And I doubt anyone touching what man did anytime soon. Spanoulis had great Euroleague debut tho, he is great young coach, but in Olympics we saw a lot of growing pains still, especially him relying on player fame guys late in games no matter how badly they played, Scariolo outcoached him cold in 2024.

[Blame Rasho]

Spanoulis is legit diety figure to that man... He is smarter and better than everyone and he has not sinned in his life rofl. Also, he had 40 inch vertical you know, he just didn't use it cause...

He might have a 198 IQ which is one more than his 197 IQ.

[Mirotic12]

There isn't a single European club (sans PAO for non basketball reasons) that would choose Scariolo or Pesic over Spanoulis to be their coach.

Scariolo has never made the EuroLeague final in 16 seasons.

Pesic won a single EuroLeague 22 years ago, with one of the most ridiculously insanely stacked teams ever (Saras Jasikevicius, JC Navarro, Dejan Bodiroga, Gregor F_u_c_k_a, Roberto Duenas, Nacho Rodriguez, Rodrigo De La Fuente, Anderson Varejao, Patrick Femerline). Other than a single title with an all time stacked team, he never made a EuroLeague final.

They both won FIBA national team tournaments with stacked teams.

That was the case for Pesic, as he won with the best and most stacked teams (Yugoslavia NT), except for when he won with Germany ('93), but they hosted the tournament and got obvious home cooking (like Greece in '87).

Scariolo also won with the most stacked rosters (Spain), although he did win one tournament ('22) with just one of the best teams and the best free agent naturalized player (L. Brown). But Spain would not have won with just Spain's players though.

If anyone here thinks for one second that Pesic or Scariolo are better coaches than Spanoulis, they are wildly out of touch with anything and everything related to European basketball.

EuroLeague teams barely even want Scariolo or Pesic. If they get a job in EuroLeague, they are always like the 4th or 5th choice of the team.

Neither one of them is even considered in the discussion of being one of the best EuroLeague coaches.

Saying they are better coaches than Spanoulis might actually be one of the greatest trolls in the history of these forums.

At least make an effort when doing such trolling. Like you could mention someone like Ataman, that at least is actually considered a good coach for the EuroLeague level. Just really lazy level trolling.

[LuDux1]

Lithuania:
Jonas Valančiūnas, Marek Blaževič, Laurynas Birutis
Tadas Sedekerskis, Ąžuolas Tubelis
Gytis Radzevičius, Rokas Giedraitis
Margiris Normantas, Deividas Sirvydis, Ignas Sargiūnas
Rokas Jokubaitis, Arnas Velička

[Inspektor1312]

Serbia also announced the final roster

[-Luke-]

Tim Schneider and Christian Anderson were already cut for Germany in the last weeks. Nelson Weidemann is the last player who didn't make the cut. David Krämer has not been cleared by Real Madrid due to muscle problems and is not allowed to play in the Eurobasket.

So the final roster for Germany is:

Dennis Schröder, Justus Hollatz
Andreas Obst, Maodo Lo
Franz Wagner, Tristan Da Silva
Daniel Theis, Isaac Bonga, Oscar Da Silva
Johannes Voigtmann, Johannes Thiemann, Leon Kratzer

[KGtabake]

There isn't a single European club (sans PAO for non basketball reasons) that would choose Scariolo or Pesic over Spanoulis to be their coach.

Scariolo has never made the EuroLeague final in 16 seasons.

Pesic won a single EuroLeague 22 years ago, with one of the most ridiculously insanely stacked teams ever (Saras Jasikevicius, JC Navarro, Dejan Bodiroga, Gregor F_u_c_k_a, Roberto Duenas, Nacho Rodriguez, Rodrigo De La Fuente, Anderson Varejao, Patrick Femerline). Other than a single title with an all time stacked team, he never made a EuroLeague final.

They both won FIBA national team tournaments with stacked teams.

That was the case for Pesic, as he won with the best and most stacked teams (Yugoslavia NT), except for when he won with Germany ('93), but they hosted the tournament and got obvious home cooking (like Greece in '87).

Scariolo also won with the most stacked rosters (Spain), although he did win one tournament ('22) with just one of the best teams and the best free agent naturalized player (L. Brown). But Spain would not have won with just Spain's players though.

If anyone here thinks for one second that Pesic or Scariolo are better coaches than Spanoulis, they are wildly out of touch with anything and everything related to European basketball.

EuroLeague teams barely even want Scariolo or Pesic. If they get a job in EuroLeague, they are always like the 4th or 5th choice of the team.

Neither one of them is even considered in the discussion of being one of the best EuroLeague coaches.

Saying they are better coaches than Spanoulis might actually be one of the greatest trolls in the history of these forums.

At least make an effort when doing such trolling. Like you could mention someone like Ataman, that at least is actually considered a good coach for the EuroLeague level. Just really lazy level trolling.

Really? Says who? Yourself?
I wouldn't choose Spanoulis at this point.
In a few years, maybe. Now, he hasn't accomplished anything.

Pesic and Scariolo in particular are levels above him.

I get the fandom(I'm crazy about Jasikevicius for example) but at some point we have to make sense on the things we're posting.

Soanoulis isn't better than Laso, Ataman, Bartzokas, Sferopoulos, Trinchierri etc etc
I'm not going to even mention Obradovic.
All these guys are proven for years.
Soanoulis is just getting started. Don't create laughter for him with posts like that.
Let's be serious.

[UcanUwill]

Serbia also announced the final roster

NIce graphic. Almost every player here either plays in the NBA or the Euroleague.