Bears 12.0

[dougthonus]

You must be rich, bro. $6,000,000 at a conservative 4% return is $240,000/yr without doing anything. Put it in the SPY and average 6% to %10, that could be as much as $600,000 without any additional outside earnings or investments for life. That $10 mill is added to what he's already earned as an NFL backup, hope he's not in debt already, lol.

I explained in much greater detail later, but the problem isn't that you couldn't live off that money if you knew exactly what you were doing and planned on it to be the only money you will ever have. That would be relatively easy. The problem is fundamentally no one looks at the problem that way, and even decisions that don't seem extravagant in the moment end up being extravagant if this is the bulk of your career earnings.

I hear you, and I agree. Just having a little fun, be nice to have a $6 mill retirement cushion right now. No offense meant.

I wasn't offended. Just noting there's a reason most of these lump sum early career guys go bankrupt. The problem is harder than it seems on the surface to make the money last given the pressures that exist.

[Almost Retired]

I know it's only preseason and all. But Bagent certainly looks more comfortable out there leading the offense. He's cool under pressure, has solid accuracy, and I like how he spreads the ball around to different receivers. He seems to have a special connection with Jahdae Walker. I hope the Bears are not going to find themselves in the same place as the 49ers did when they found out Purdy was the better fit over Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I hope Caleb lives up to our expectations this season. But my fears are rising that we didn't select one of the top 3 QBs in last year's draft. With Ben's offense and more weapons than perhaps any other offense in the NFL I feel like Caleb should be clicking much better by now.

[sco]

I know it's only preseason and all. But Bagent certainly looks more comfortable out there leading the offense. He's cool under pressure, has solid accuracy, and I like how he spreads the ball around to different receivers. He seems to have a special connection with Jahdae Walker. I hope the Bears are not going to find themselves in the same place as the 49ers did when they found out Purdy was the better fit over Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I hope Caleb lives up to our expectations this season. But my fears are rising that we didn't select one of the top 3 QBs in last year's draft. With Ben's offense and more weapons than perhaps any other offense in the NFL I feel like Caleb should be clicking much better by now.

It's hard to tell how Bagent does against starting talent in this offense, although he shines against scrubs, to be sure. Personally, I think right now, he's flat out better than Williams, but Williams has more potential and IMO he'll be given this whole season, and probably much of next season before they give up on him and give Bagent a shot. There's always the chance Williams gets injured and Bagent gets a shot early...but not wanting that.

[CjayC]

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[Dresden]

I know it's only preseason and all. But Bagent certainly looks more comfortable out there leading the offense. He's cool under pressure, has solid accuracy, and I like how he spreads the ball around to different receivers. He seems to have a special connection with Jahdae Walker. I hope the Bears are not going to find themselves in the same place as the 49ers did when they found out Purdy was the better fit over Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I hope Caleb lives up to our expectations this season. But my fears are rising that we didn't select one of the top 3 QBs in last year's draft. With Ben's offense and more weapons than perhaps any other offense in the NFL I feel like Caleb should be clicking much better by now.

He never seems ruffled. When the pocket starts collapsing, you can tell that he is aware of it and starts to react- either throwing it away, looking for a check down, or trying to run. Whereas Williams seems to wait until it's too late often, and gets trapped. And as you point out, he is good at spreading the ball around- he seems to get through his progressions much faster than Williams does, and as a result, he's able to find someone that's open.

Of course he's playing against second team defenses. But he's also playing with second team receivers and blockers. He can't make some of the throws Williams can- there was one throw last night where Caleb just zipped it 20 yards or so, and it was a BB. Bagent can't do that, but that's not all there is to being a great QB, and he appears to be able to do many of the other things that are more important in the final analysis.

It would be a huge setback if Caleb doesn't end up being what they thought he was, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. I feel like with Johnson's offense, just a decent, competent NFL QB is going to look good, esp with the receivers and TE's we have now. Trey Lance being a bust didn't derail the 49'ers for long- they went to a SB with Purdy, in large part because of Shanahan's offense and the weapons they had on offense.

[panthermark]

Agent Bagent plays exactly like a QB that has thrown a millions passes and has seen a million defenses. He stays calm, gets through his reads, and knows where to go with the ball. A more mobile Shane Matthews.

I don't know if he will ever be a legit starter until he proves he can consistently punish teams deep. But I feel like he can always come in and move the chains/hold the fort down.

[fleet]

I know it's only preseason and all. But Bagent certainly looks more comfortable out there leading the offense. He's cool under pressure, has solid accuracy, and I like how he spreads the ball around to different receivers. He seems to have a special connection with Jahdae Walker. I hope the Bears are not going to find themselves in the same place as the 49ers did when they found out Purdy was the better fit over Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I hope Caleb lives up to our expectations this season. But my fears are rising that we didn't select one of the top 3 QBs in last year's draft. With Ben's offense and more weapons than perhaps any other offense in the NFL I feel like Caleb should be clicking much better by now.

It’s going to be a classic struggle to get Caleb to make plays the way they were designed to work, even under pressure. Under pressure there is an outlet plan. But Caleb’s outlet plan seems to be hero ball, and slowed processing. If Ben’s system prevails with Caleb, or Caleb prevails with Caleb is the question. Anybody’s guess. But if the Bears offense only functions as a top offense in 2 minute type situations, there will be conflict that has a limited shelf life. I’m a little concerned because again, under pressure of playing against starters, Caleb has not shown success going into year 2. We are left with faith that it will work. There seems to be too much talent not to score points. But when the Bears face disciplined opponents with top talent themselves, discipline usually prevails in that scenario over the individual heroics.

[TheSuzerain]

I don't think Caleb has played much hero ball at all actually.

If anything he needs to better let it rip to half open guys on schedule.

[fleet]

I don't think Caleb has played much hero ball at all actually.

If anything he needs to better let it rip to half open guys on schedule.

The point is that Caleb has succeeded to this point playing hero ball. Can he succeed with a lid on it? For the most part in camp, the Bears offense has done much better in 2 minute offense situations. The normal structure stuff has been extremely sticky. Fans are taking solace that what we have seen against backups in preseason will eventually prevail during the season. Maybe it’s going to take time. But my impression has been that Ben Johnson wanted more than what he has seen, and is reevaluating.

[dice]

I know it's only preseason and all. But Bagent certainly looks more comfortable out there leading the offense. He's cool under pressure, has solid accuracy, and I like how he spreads the ball around to different receivers. He seems to have a special connection with Jahdae Walker. I hope the Bears are not going to find themselves in the same place as the 49ers did when they found out Purdy was the better fit over Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I hope Caleb lives up to our expectations this season. But my fears are rising that we didn't select one of the top 3 QBs in last year's draft. With Ben's offense and more weapons than perhaps any other offense in the NFL I feel like Caleb should be clicking much better by now.

It’s going to be a classic struggle to get Caleb to make plays the way they were designed to work, even under pressure. Under pressure there is an outlet plan. But Caleb’s outlet plan seems to be hero ball, and slowed processing. If Ben’s system prevails with Caleb, or Caleb prevails with Caleb is the question. Anybody’s guess. But if the Bears offense only functions as a top offense in 2 minute type situations, there will be conflict that has a limited shelf life. I’m a little concerned because again, under pressure of playing against starters, Caleb has not shown success going into year 2. We are left with faith that it will work. There seems to be too much talent not to score points. But when the Bears face disciplined opponents with top talent themselves, discipline usually prevails in that scenario over the individual heroics.

caleb should be studying mahomes. he can at least be a poor man's version of that

[dice]

I know it's only preseason and all. But Bagent certainly looks more comfortable out there leading the offense. He's cool under pressure, has solid accuracy, and I like how he spreads the ball around to different receivers. He seems to have a special connection with Jahdae Walker. I hope the Bears are not going to find themselves in the same place as the 49ers did when they found out Purdy was the better fit over Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I hope Caleb lives up to our expectations this season. But my fears are rising that we didn't select one of the top 3 QBs in last year's draft. With Ben's offense and more weapons than perhaps any other offense in the NFL I feel like Caleb should be clicking much better by now.

It's hard to tell how Bagent does against starting talent in this offense, although he shines against scrubs, to be sure. Personally, I think right now, he's flat out better than Williams, but Williams has more potential and IMO he'll be given this whole season, and probably much of next season before they give up on him and give Bagent a shot. There's always the chance Williams gets injured and Bagent gets a shot early...but not wanting that.

to be fair, he was playing WITH scrubs as well

[dice]

braxton has looked significantly worse than his pre-injury state in the first few preseason games, but yesterday definitely seemed like a step in the right direction

To me, it’s a step in the Jones direction which is of no comfort. Joe Thuney better be an alchemist. But at the end of the day, Thuney had to play LT in KC

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the first one is a designed run up the middle. jones knows that, of course. getting juked to the outside is of little consequence. getting beat inside must be strictly avoided

the second one is a blitz where he fails to instantly come off his guy to pick it up

[fleet]

braxton has looked significantly worse than his pre-injury state in the first few preseason games, but yesterday definitely seemed like a step in the right direction

To me, it’s a step in the Jones direction which is of no comfort. Joe Thuney better be an alchemist. But at the end of the day, Thuney had to play LT in KC

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that's a designed run up the middle. jones knows that, of course. getting juked to the outside is of little consequence

If the RB bounces it out, an unblocked defender is making a tfl

[TheSuzerain]

I don't think Caleb has played much hero ball at all actually.

If anything he needs to better let it rip to half open guys on schedule.

The point is that Caleb has succeeded to this point playing hero ball. Can he succeed with a lid on it? For the most part in camp, the Bears offense has done much better in 2 minute offense situations. The normal structure stuff has been extremely sticky. Fans are taking solace that what we have seen against backups in preseason will eventually prevail during the season. Maybe it’s going to take time. But my impression has been that Ben Johnson wanted more than what he has seen, and is reevaluating.

I don't really agree. Even last year with Eberflus. He didn't often go for the hero play.

If you're talking about college then yeah but that's college.

[Dresden]

I don't think Caleb has played much hero ball at all actually.

If anything he needs to better let it rip to half open guys on schedule.

The point is that Caleb has succeeded to this point playing hero ball. Can he succeed with a lid on it? For the most part in camp, the Bears offense has done much better in 2 minute offense situations. The normal structure stuff has been extremely sticky. Fans are taking solace that what we have seen against backups in preseason will eventually prevail during the season. Maybe it’s going to take time. But my impression has been that Ben Johnson wanted more than what he has seen, and is reevaluating.

I don't really agree. Even last year with Eberflus. He didn't often go for the hero play.

If you're talking about college then yeah but that's college.

I agree. If anything, Caleb needs to take more chances. Last year was the worst of both worlds- he held onto the ball too long, without ever making defenses pay by making big plays with the extra time he took. I attribute that mainly to Eberflus' concern with turnovers.

And he wasn't terrible last year either. His passer rating was almost identical to Drake Maye's, and he had 5 more TD passes and 4 fewer INT's. I don't hear people being concerned about Drake Maye's future.

The sacks were the big problem for Caleb last year. Partly on the line, partly on him. The line should be much better this year. We'll see how he does.

[biggestbullsfan]

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Dayo is really the only move I questioned this offseason from Poles. I’m assuming it was a Dennis Allen choice. I’m staying optimistic but we have him a ton of money. He has to show something. Otherwise we could’ve saved that money and signed a one year rental like Zadarius Smith or something.

And I know the Chiefs have a good O Line but he has to do more moves than bull rush everytime. I’ve seen his highlights. I know he has other moves. Maybe he’s saving them for the season.

[TheSuzerain]

Dennis Allen likes the over sized edge dudes.

But those guys are generally worse pass rushers.

Worried that's going to be a big weakness for us.

[panthermark]

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Dayo is really the only move I questioned this offseason from Poles. I’m assuming it was a Dennis Allen choice. I’m staying optimistic but we have him a ton of money. He has to show something. Otherwise we could’ve saved that money and signed a one year rental like Zadarius Smith or something.

And I know the Chiefs have a good O Line but he has to do more moves than bull rush everytime. I’ve seen his highlights. I know he has other moves. Maybe he’s saving them for the season.

Yeah, that one was a head scratcher. Seemed like a younger, more expensive version of Walker. He does not seem like he is worth the cost upgrade.

[CjayC]

I think Bagent will be fine. A lot of the NFL is dominating in that 10-20 yard range with lots of high percentage shots in rhythm. Is it important to be able to massively stretch the field from any position with arms and feet? Definitely. The massive ceiling would be amazing, but it's not some hardline requirement. QB isn't really like any other position, and that's why it still hasn't been figured out.

Things like spatial awareness, accuracy, knowledge of yourself and your opponents can't be understated, the cool under pressure, the never give up mentality... it's all really hard to account for, but it all matters in the bigger picture. Will it limit his ceiling from being in that all world freak show category where you really can't gameplan for it? Yes. Lets just hope Caleb becomes that guy so we won't even have to stress over it.

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Dayo is really the only move I questioned this offseason from Poles. I’m assuming it was a Dennis Allen choice. I’m staying optimistic but we have him a ton of money. He has to show something. Otherwise we could’ve saved that money and signed a one year rental like Zadarius Smith or something.

And I know the Chiefs have a good O Line but he has to do more moves than bull rush everytime. I’ve seen his highlights. I know he has other moves. Maybe he’s saving them for the season.

If you put together a Dominique Robinson preseason tape, it would be virtually identical