Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - TA Back on One Year Deal

[tedbrogen]

So he’s only below average on long twos on the wings and at the rim. While he’s above average to deadly everywhere else. Seems like legit perfect guy to play with GA in the modern NBA. Especially when his D is solid or better.

I think he struggled when he started last year but I'd still like to see him start and play all of his minutes with Giannis.

If Dame and Brook were also starting, that could be why. Dame soaked up a lot of the not Giannis shots and teams were always going to leave Brook open for 35 footers before they’d let AJG torch them on corner threes.

He’s also not a great help defender. He’s good one on one. He’s good in the post. He’s good sneaking in to get his hand on the ball in rotations. But he’s not going to block a shot or always be in the right spot in rotations. So kind of a waste to have him out there when Dame and Brook were getting exposed.

[Gant]

Sam Amico:

The 76ers and Nuggets are among the teams that have expressed interest in a possible trade for Celtics guard Anfernee Simons, NBA sources told Hoops Wire.

Sources said the Bucks could be another team that will make a run at Simons before training camp.

https://hoopswire.com/sixers-76ers-nuggets-celtics-anfernee-simons-nba-trade-rumors

[pifhluk23]

Undersized guard who doesn't play defense and shot league average from 3 in his first 70 games started season, please don't be that dumb Horst.

[blazza18]

[raferfenix]

Devin Carter seems most likely to be on the outs in this scenario….but I also keep wondering how badly Sacramento really wants to give Keon Ellis a rich extension to be a long term backup:

After Sacramento explored various trade scenarios earlier this summer involving Malik Monk, league sources say that the Kings are not actively engaged in such trade talks now.

The Kings have maintained an interest in unsigned free agent Russell Westbrook, sources say, but I'm told that they have indeed explored the possibility of creating a backcourt opening for Westbrook by other means rather than dealing Monk.

Monk is said to have made a positive impression in Sacramento not only with his play but how he has embraced his role and the franchise as a King.

marcstein.substack.com

[Baddy Chuck]

Undersized guard who doesn't play defense and shot league average from 3 in his first 70 games started season, please don't be that dumb Horst.

I'd take him for a season as an expiring if Boston wanted to save some tax savings with Kuzma.

[Perishable517]

Sam Amico:

The 76ers and Nuggets are among the teams that have expressed interest in a possible trade for Celtics guard Anfernee Simons, NBA sources told Hoops Wire.

Sources said the Bucks could be another team that will make a run at Simons before training camp.

https://hoopswire.com/sixers-76ers-nuggets-celtics-anfernee-simons-nba-trade-rumors

Sources.

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[Bernman]

Undersized guard who doesn't play defense and shot league average from 3 in his first 70 games started season, please don't be that dumb Horst.

I'd take him for a season as an expiring if Boston wanted to save some tax savings with Kuzma.

That's bad for both teams. The Celtics get another yr, and the Bucks yet another guard.

[Prez]

Undersized guard who doesn't play defense and shot league average from 3 in his first 70 games started season, please don't be that dumb Horst.

I'd take him for a season as an expiring if Boston wanted to save some tax savings with Kuzma.

That's bad for both teams. The Celtics get another yr, and the Bucks yet another guard.

Ehh Kuzma is a dog **** player, getting him off the roster and a year of his salary off the books would be a plus, regardless of the incoming player's position.

[Baddy Chuck]

I'd take him for a season as an expiring if Boston wanted to save some tax savings with Kuzma.

That's bad for both teams. The Celtics get another yr, and the Bucks yet another guard.

Ehh Kuzma is a dog **** player, getting him off the roster and a year of his salary off the books would be a plus, regardless of the incoming player's position.

Bucks moving any player into Kuzma and/or Prince's roles, namely would be probably Trent or Green (hell, Coffey) here, is a slam dunk for us while getting an expiring.

Boston gets luxury tax savings upwards of (napkin math) 20 million this season and a contract they can use in trades next season when Tatum is back where they would have basically only Hauser as any salary filler to round out their roster. Possible chance Kuzma is Washington level **** and not Bucks level **** too and isn't as deplorable a contract on the books as an expiring filler.

Meh.

[raferfenix]

Boston gets luxury tax savings upwards of (napkin math) 20 million this season and a contract they can use in trades next season when Tatum is back where they would have basically only Hauser as any salary filler to round out their roster.

Problem is Milwaukee also loses Kuzma’s salary slot to package in a trade.

I got a hard time seeing Horst extending Simons.

But the Bucks don’t need the cap space either.

[Rstuedes24]

We need to be the team fleecing another in a trade, not the opposite. No thanks to Simon. Take advantage of Sac and get any of Carter/Ellis/Murray.

[Ron Swanson]

Are we really doing the "salary slot" thing again? I don't think Simons is some atrocious player just because Portland is a dumb organization that gladly ate Jrue's albatross contract for free. Swapping Kuzma out for an expiring contract and potentially opening up real cap space next summer? That's pretty much a win already. If a straight swap is on the table and we don't take it, we're dumb.

[Baddy Chuck]

Boston gets luxury tax savings upwards of (napkin math) 20 million this season and a contract they can use in trades next season when Tatum is back where they would have basically only Hauser as any salary filler to round out their roster.

Problem is Milwaukee also loses Kuzma’s salary slot to package in a trade.

I got a hard time seeing Horst extending Simons.

But the Bucks don’t need the cap space either.

Unlike Boston though clearing that contract opens up cap space on top of lowering our cap hit to sign 3 key free agents of our own should we choose to do so and probably still be comfortably under the projected tax. Doesn't seem far out there that we could open up over MLE of actual cap space, not hard cap ourselves (by using the MLE) and retain all our dudes (KPJ/Green/GTJ) at the cost of the KKEC mystery box. Boston on the other hand would let Simons expire and still be over the cap with like 5 players on the roster or something. If you're a believer in the Kyle Kuzma experience and some picks will net us a stud I can understand the other side, I personally see that floating further and further away, if it wasn't just a mirage from the start.

[ShootingtheJ]

Kings get: Kuzma, Scheierman
Celtics get: Monk, Tyler Smith
Bucks get: Simons, Devin Carter

Celtics duck the tax, Kings finally land Kuzma, Bucks get or of Kuzma, and land the intriguing Carter. Simons could be rerouted at some point.

I don't love it, but it's realistic.

[pifhluk23]

Boston gets luxury tax savings upwards of (napkin math) 20 million this season and a contract they can use in trades next season when Tatum is back where they would have basically only Hauser as any salary filler to round out their roster.

Problem is Milwaukee also loses Kuzma’s salary slot to package in a trade.

I got a hard time seeing Horst extending Simons.

But the Bucks don’t need the cap space either.

Unlike Boston though clearing that contract opens up cap space on top of lowering our cap hit to sign 3 key free agents of our own should we choose to do so and probably still be comfortably under the projected tax. Doesn't seem far out there that we could open up over MLE of actual cap space, not hard cap ourselves (by using the MLE) and retain all our dudes (KPJ/Green/GTJ) at the cost of the KKEC mystery box. Boston on the other hand would let Simons expire and still be over the cap with like 5 players on the roster or something. If you're a believer in the Kyle Kuzma experience and some picks will net us a stud I can understand the other side, I personally see that floating further and further away, if it wasn't just a mirage from the start.

At this point I think we have to hold him until the deadline and see who becomes available. Kuminga, Barrett, Simons types of guys are always available.

[midranger]

Playing it out, assuming a 1-for-1 deal….

Simons - Anthony
KPJ - Rollins
GTJ - Green - Coffey
Giannis - Prince - Coffey
Turner - Bobby - Sims

We’d be pretty small and maybe have too much for Doc to juggle in the backcourt. I think embracing being small whilst have one or both of Turner and Giannis as a backstop is a reasonable move.

[yb90]

Are we really doing the "salary slot" thing again? I don't think Simons is some atrocious player just because Portland is a dumb organization that gladly ate Jrue's albatross contract for free. Swapping Kuzma out for an expiring contract and potentially opening up real cap space next summer? That's pretty much a win already. If a straight swap is on the table and we don't take it, we're dumb.

Simons is too weak of a defender to help the Bucks. You could argue that he might be the worse guard in the league at defense. He makes Dame look like an all pro defender

[Baddy Chuck]

At this point I think we have to hold him until the deadline and see who becomes available. Kuminga, Barrett, Simons types of guys are always available.

I think we will end up holding him because he's also in that group of always available dudes who nobody really wants but if someone came with a life vest of getting out from under his salary next season we'd be fools to hold onto him and pray for a miracle to happen later. Cut the losses and run. The Celtics/Simons deal has just enough weird incentive for them I could see it but I also don't think there'd be many opportunities to dump Kuzma right now.

[raferfenix]

Unlike Boston though clearing that contract opens up cap space on top of lowering our cap hit to sign 3 key free agents of our own should we choose to do so and probably still be comfortably under the projected tax. Doesn't seem far out there that we could open up over MLE of actual cap space, not hard cap ourselves (by using the MLE) and retain all our dudes (KPJ/Green/GTJ) at the cost of the KKEC mystery box.

Didn’t realize we could have more than the MLE in cap space (and keep our guys) if we were to just clear Kuz’s deal, thanks for tracking down.

Does that count an AJ Green extension this offseason?

Either way I’m skeptical of Simons’ fit on the court.

Committing to another undersized sieve defender would be rough, and I’m hopeful some combo of our young guards will fill the offensive void.

Of course plenty of reason to be skeptical of Kuzma on the court too!

And if the Bucks don’t intend to deal any/many future picks then the salary slot approach wouldn’t be as valuable either.