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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#541 » by Wildcat » Mon Aug 25, 2025 3:10 pm

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Beasley is a much more catch and shoot oriented guy than Clarkson. I actually think he's a much cleaner fit than Simmons.

Fun stat, per NBA.com, Beasley took, by far, the most catch and shoot threes in the league last year and shot a ridiculous 43.1% on them. He took over 100 more than the next closest guy (Derrick White). You could make the argument he was the best pure shooter in the league last season.

Another fun fact, the Knicks generated the 4th least catch and shoot 3's per game in the league last season. Having Beasley come in for 15-25 minutes a night with a green light can really jump start an offense that had a tendency to get stuck in mud at times.


Where are those 15-25 minutes coming from? Not from Hart, not from Clarkson, not from Deuce, not from Yabusele. And this team's 10th man (Ariel) is probably only seeing about 5-10 minutes per and some nights he may not even play. The Knicks would need to move someone to free up that time.


I don't think worrying about minutes is a reason not to sign a useful player who addresses a clear need. It may be a reason why Beasley doesn't end up choosing to come here but, the Knicks could use all the depth they can get.

Hart has had knee problems for years.
KAT's Injury history is well documented. Same with OG.
Brunson misses his token 5-10 games a year usually because of ankle sprains.

I think people forget the Knicks were outlier level healthy last season. We're due for some regression in that area. Beasley was legit rotation player for a playoff team last year.

We can use him.

If the Knicks use last years starting lineup we quite literally still don't have a backup wing unless they trust Dadiet to make a leap...If one of OG, Mikal or Hart gets hurt we are pretty thin at the wing fairly quickly.


This is the stuff that frustrates about fans.

There are 2 entities in this conversation: Knicks and Beasley. We can make infinite reasons why the Knicks can use Beasley, and I'd agree with most of them (BUT you still need to a trade because he's not coming in to be 10th or 9th man or some insurance for injury). No one is reading the room properly. There's literally no reason for Beasley to come to NY (other than LOL, WE NY). There are 5 or 6 teams that can offer him at least 10 million or even double what the Knicks can offer. He's not coming here for 3.whatever million the Knicks can offer.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#542 » by BowlRips » Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:39 pm

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Where are those 15-25 minutes coming from? Not from Hart, not from Clarkson, not from Deuce, not from Yabusele. And this team's 10th man (Ariel) is probably only seeing about 5-10 minutes per and some nights he may not even play. The Knicks would need to move someone to free up that time.


I don't think worrying about minutes is a reason not to sign a useful player who addresses a clear need. It may be a reason why Beasley doesn't end up choosing to come here but, the Knicks could use all the depth they can get.

Hart has had knee problems for years.
KAT's Injury history is well documented. Same with OG.
Brunson misses his token 5-10 games a year usually because of ankle sprains.

I think people forget the Knicks were outlier level healthy last season. We're due for some regression in that area. Beasley was legit rotation player for a playoff team last year.

We can use him.

If the Knicks use last years starting lineup we quite literally still don't have a backup wing unless they trust Dadiet to make a leap...If one of OG, Mikal or Hart gets hurt we are pretty thin at the wing fairly quickly.


This is the stuff that frustrates about fans.

There are 2 entities in this conversation: Knicks and Beasley. We can make infinite reasons why the Knicks can use Beasley, and I'd agree with most of them (BUT you still need to a trade because he's not coming in to be 10th or 9th man or some insurance for injury). No one is reading the room properly. There's literally no reason for Beasley to come to NY (other than LOL, WE NY). There are 5 or 6 teams that can offer him at least 10 million or even double what the Knicks can offer. He's not coming here for 3.whatever million the Knicks can offer.


No reason? 2020 off-season the T-wolves led by GM Gersson Rosas gave Beasley a 4/60m contract, even with his outstanding legal issues. This is what Beasley had to say Rosas:

“I want to thank Gersson for giving me this opportunity and believing in me when not everyone did. He knows what I bring on and off the court. This is just the beginning for me and for this organization.”

“It means a lot when somebody believes in you as a man, not just a basketball player. Gersson and the Timberwolves showed me that, and I’m going to give everything back to them.”

“Gersson told me I was a big part of the future here. That’s all I needed to hear. Now it’s on me to prove him right.”

I wouldn't say theres no reason - that's for sure
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#544 » by Wildcat » Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:56 pm

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I don't think worrying about minutes is a reason not to sign a useful player who addresses a clear need. It may be a reason why Beasley doesn't end up choosing to come here but, the Knicks could use all the depth they can get.

Hart has had knee problems for years.
KAT's Injury history is well documented. Same with OG.
Brunson misses his token 5-10 games a year usually because of ankle sprains.

I think people forget the Knicks were outlier level healthy last season. We're due for some regression in that area. Beasley was legit rotation player for a playoff team last year.

We can use him.

If the Knicks use last years starting lineup we quite literally still don't have a backup wing unless they trust Dadiet to make a leap...If one of OG, Mikal or Hart gets hurt we are pretty thin at the wing fairly quickly.


This is the stuff that frustrates about fans.

There are 2 entities in this conversation: Knicks and Beasley. We can make infinite reasons why the Knicks can use Beasley, and I'd agree with most of them (BUT you still need to a trade because he's not coming in to be 10th or 9th man or some insurance for injury). No one is reading the room properly. There's literally no reason for Beasley to come to NY (other than LOL, WE NY). There are 5 or 6 teams that can offer him at least 10 million or even double what the Knicks can offer. He's not coming here for 3.whatever million the Knicks can offer.


No reason? 2020 off-season the T-wolves led by GM Gersson Rosas gave Beasley a 4/60m contract, even with his outstanding legal issues. This is what Beasley had to say Rosas:

“I want to thank Gersson for giving me this opportunity and believing in me when not everyone did. He knows what I bring on and off the court. This is just the beginning for me and for this organization.”

“It means a lot when somebody believes in you as a man, not just a basketball player. Gersson and the Timberwolves showed me that, and I’m going to give everything back to them.”

“Gersson told me I was a big part of the future here. That’s all I needed to hear. Now it’s on me to prove him right.”

I wouldn't say theres no reason - that's for sure


He isn't beholden to Rosas. And its all the more reason why he's not signing here for 3.2 million per season when Detroit to give him double that or another team can give him the 8 figures you was looking at. For him to be here, the Knicks need to make move.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#545 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Aug 26, 2025 5:39 am

Wildcat wrote:
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This is the stuff that frustrates about fans.

There are 2 entities in this conversation: Knicks and Beasley. We can make infinite reasons why the Knicks can use Beasley, and I'd agree with most of them (BUT you still need to a trade because he's not coming in to be 10th or 9th man or some insurance for injury). No one is reading the room properly. There's literally no reason for Beasley to come to NY (other than LOL, WE NY). There are 5 or 6 teams that can offer him at least 10 million or even double what the Knicks can offer. He's not coming here for 3.whatever million the Knicks can offer.


No reason? 2020 off-season the T-wolves led by GM Gersson Rosas gave Beasley a 4/60m contract, even with his outstanding legal issues. This is what Beasley had to say Rosas:

“I want to thank Gersson for giving me this opportunity and believing in me when not everyone did. He knows what I bring on and off the court. This is just the beginning for me and for this organization.”

“It means a lot when somebody believes in you as a man, not just a basketball player. Gersson and the Timberwolves showed me that, and I’m going to give everything back to them.”

“Gersson told me I was a big part of the future here. That’s all I needed to hear. Now it’s on me to prove him right.”

I wouldn't say theres no reason - that's for sure


He isn't beholden to Rosas. And its all the more reason why he's not signing here for 3.2 million per season when Detroit to give him double that or another team can give him the 8 figures you was looking at. For him to be here, the Knicks need to make move.



The only team that has the space to offer him that is the Nets and it seems unlikely a tanking team would do that.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#546 » by Wildcat » Tue Aug 26, 2025 12:37 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
BowlRips wrote:
No reason? 2020 off-season the T-wolves led by GM Gersson Rosas gave Beasley a 4/60m contract, even with his outstanding legal issues. This is what Beasley had to say Rosas:

“I want to thank Gersson for giving me this opportunity and believing in me when not everyone did. He knows what I bring on and off the court. This is just the beginning for me and for this organization.”

“It means a lot when somebody believes in you as a man, not just a basketball player. Gersson and the Timberwolves showed me that, and I’m going to give everything back to them.”

“Gersson told me I was a big part of the future here. That’s all I needed to hear. Now it’s on me to prove him right.”

I wouldn't say theres no reason - that's for sure


He isn't beholden to Rosas. And its all the more reason why he's not signing here for 3.2 million per season when Detroit to give him double that or another team can give him the 8 figures you was looking at. For him to be here, the Knicks need to make move.


The only team that has the space to offer him that is the Nets and it seems unlikely a tanking team would do that.


Space is not the only factor.

Nets can offer up to 14 of their cap.

Hornets, Bulls, Warriors, Pacers, and Wizards can offer 14 mil (full Mid-Level Exception).

Nuggets can offer up to 8 mil with their Mid-Level Exception. Heat can offer 9 mil. T-Wolves can offer 4.4 mil to stay under the cap. Pelicans can offer 6 mil. 76ers can offer 10 mil if they go over, or 2 mil to stay under luxury tax (I'm not sure if Grimes has a cap hold). Suns can offer 8 mil if they feel he's worth the investment (i.e., taxes). Kings can offer 3 mil or 11 if they want to go over. Jazz can offer 8.8 mil.

Then we have the Knicks and Cavs, whom can offer 3.2 mil.

I don't know where he'd land (gut tells me Pacers or returning to Detroit for 7.something mil), but he isn't landing in NY for 3.2 mil without assurances of what his playing time will look.
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Agreed... just don't trust him
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Post#549 » by DaGawd » Tue Aug 26, 2025 1:56 pm

idgaf.. sign him!
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Post#550 » by BKlutch » Tue Aug 26, 2025 2:47 pm

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Agreed... just don't trust him

Malik has many financial difficulties, debts, and other issues. No matter the criminal charges, he's been very irrepsonsible to the point where he couldn't even pay his rent with his $Millions salary. His character remains a large issue and we'd need to be very cautious trading away a good player for someone who may or may not straighten himself out.
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Post#551 » by Meat » Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:03 pm

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Agreed... just don't trust him

Malik has many financial difficulties, debts, and other issues. No matter the criminal charges, he's been very irrepsonsible to the point where he couldn't even pay his rent with his $Millions salary. His character remains a large issue and we'd need to be very cautious trading away a good player for someone who may or may not straighten himself out.

well we dont need a portfolio manager, just a guy to put the ball in the hoop
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Post#552 » by BKlutch » Tue Aug 26, 2025 7:49 pm

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Agreed... just don't trust him

Malik has many financial difficulties, debts, and other issues. No matter the criminal charges, he's been very irrepsonsible to the point where he couldn't even pay his rent with his $Millions salary. His character remains a large issue and we'd need to be very cautious trading away a good player for someone who may or may not straighten himself out.

well we dont need a portfolio manager, just a guy to put the ball in the hoop

If he's constantly dealing with being in collections, being evicted, and turning to gambling to help with his debts, he won't have the head for basketball. He's just not a very stable guy, despite being very talented.
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Post#557 » by Meat » Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:10 am

BKlutch wrote:
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BKlutch wrote:Malik has many financial difficulties, debts, and other issues. No matter the criminal charges, he's been very irrepsonsible to the point where he couldn't even pay his rent with his $Millions salary. His character remains a large issue and we'd need to be very cautious trading away a good player for someone who may or may not straighten himself out.

well we dont need a portfolio manager, just a guy to put the ball in the hoop

If he's constantly dealing with being in collections, being evicted, and turning to gambling to help with his debts, he won't have the head for basketball. He's just not a very stable guy, despite being very talented.



why would he suddenly not have the head now? he's had it for half a decade despite having these vices? his production has been great
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Post#558 » by 8516knicks » Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:50 am

Meat wrote:
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Meat wrote:well we dont need a portfolio manager, just a guy to put the ball in the hoop

If he's constantly dealing with being in collections, being evicted, and turning to gambling to help with his debts, he won't have the head for basketball. He's just not a very stable guy, despite being very talented.



why would he suddenly not have the head now? he's had it for half a decade despite having these vices? his production has been great


Sounds like just what we need to generate some headlines during the early part of the season! :D
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Post#560 » by BKlutch » Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:12 am

Meat wrote:
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Meat wrote:well we dont need a portfolio manager, just a guy to put the ball in the hoop

If he's constantly dealing with being in collections, being evicted, and turning to gambling to help with his debts, he won't have the head for basketball. He's just not a very stable guy, despite being very talented.



why would he suddenly not have the head now? he's had it for half a decade despite having these vices? his production has been great

His situation was escalating. The FBI investigation is part of it - he lost a potential $48M payday, among other things. Too much pressure
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