Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[AFM]

There's a difference between judging and saying just because you believe something about yourself that isnt true, it does not give you special rights. The entitlement factor is what I'm calling out, not a judgment of their lifestyle.

There is neither a question nor a judgment of "truth" in this arena. & "entitlement" is a code word (as is "lifestyle" for that matter).

People simply are who they are -- unless they are doing someone harm. Beyond that, judgment simply does not come into question.

OTOH, Donald Trump is obviously a low-life. & he's obviously a crook as well. Are you really prepared to deny either of those statements, you who quotes Torah to characterize yourself?

I don't know you, but I read what you write here. You need to change your life, son, if you will forgive my presumption. If you are a Jew, well... there were Jews who supported Hitler too, believe it or not. If you're a Christian you might want to re-read the Beatitudes.

Jews who supported Hitler are like Blacks who like MAGA and Trump.

Tim Scott and Clarence Thomas are [please find a less provocative term].

You said it not me

[Zonkerbl]

I actually watch News Nation, pretty down the middle and not biased like CNN, MSNBC< and the aforementioned Fox.

But yes, there are only 2 genders, not this fluid thing the left believes. Funny how science is huge and important when it fits the left's argument, but XX and XY chromosomes, not so much.

What do you think the word "gender" means?

We already have a word for physical sex characteristics. It would be stupid and ignorant to assume gender means the same thing. That's just assuming what you want to be true, the sign of a weak mind.

"Gender" is the role people with penises and vaginas are expected to play in society. Like the position you play in basketball, short players are expected to be point guards and tall people are expected to be centers. Although one of the most famous point guards of all time was tall enough to be a center, and played center his first year. But his natural role was point guard.


Mind your own damn business.

So let me chime in as someone who is trans, haha (not to say that I don't disagree with the overall message!)

I don't like the gender/sex distinction, because it concedes a key point that "oh trans people really *biologically* are our assigned gender at birth", when in reality, outside the ability to have kids without adoption or medical intervention (surrogacy, etc), there's a lot that goes into "biological sex", especially when hormonal treatment comes into play, and most biologists will tell you this.

I took HRT, and subsequently developed female secondary sex characteristics. My body changed in far more of a female direction. Even my endo points out that I carry weight differently and my metabolic profile is different.

The thing about "sex vs gender" is that it's the same damn thing. We had a concept of "woman" before we knew what a chromosome was. We saw that most women to have these characteristics, and assigned these characteristics into the "biologically female" bucket. Sure it's true for most women, but that was still a societal decision we made. The way we decided "nobody with XY or XXY or etc could ever be female" was a societal call, not a purely scientific call.

I agree if you're saying "the idea of binary biological sex is also a social construct" The Talmud recognizes 6 "sexes", fwiw.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumtum_(Judaism)

I think the distinction between "physical characteristics" and "social roles" is helpful in discussions like this.

[Zonkerbl]

daoneandonly:

1. The words of Deuteronomy 30:19 were written by my great great great great etc grandfather. They were addressed to my family & my people. They have nothing to do with you. If you wish to learn from them, you will have to join the conversation that descends from them. You can start, if you like, with the volume of Midrash Rabbah devoted to Deuteronomy

2. Above all, the words of Deuteronomy were not written to be, are not, will never be a tool for you or anyone to pass judgment on others, for judgment is not yours. Not in any way.

3. As to the fluidity of sexual appetite, sexual choices, sexual lifestyles, & sexual activities, again, yours is not to judge. We have thousands of years of widely varying human history to present that range to us, & it seems to involve much more than the xx / xy chromosome differential.

No one is asking you to behave one way or another. On the other hand, no one has given unto you the right (let alone the responsibility) to judge others different from you. If you continue to do so then you are a long way from being the person you imagine you are.

For -- since we are on Deuteronomy -- "this mitzva that I command you today, it is not hidden from you, and it is not distant."

Deuteronomy 28 describes what leads to blessings and curses.

The Ten Commandments are presented in Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21

Outside of all the political rhetoric, a new party should focus on core values.

Honor
Mother and father, two-parent households.
Ideal behavior - reduced theft, adultery, murder

How can we improve society?

Family accountability time. Parenting. Community. Face time fathers.

Outsiders form a community village

Politicians lead the way with MPD assistance.

There needs to be a lot of volunteer grandparents supervised by CFS

Sorry for these scattered thoughts. The basics are to teach what we were taught growing up in the 60s and 70s. We ate at the table as a family. There was no social media. Gay wasn't the family. Love was. Not lifestyle.

Values. Not bling.

I think keeping families together is a great starting point for thinking about how to reform the criminal justice system. Given how much damage incarceration does to the family unit, we should use it only as a last result, to remove truly dangerous people from the streets. We shouldn't use incarceration as the default punishment for criminal offenses. We have to come up with something else, like restorative justice where that would work.

The criminal justice system has been disproportionately targeting black people for more than a century. I don't think the smoking remnants of some black families are a direct result of black men not loving their kids enough. Yes, everyone needs to take their responsibilities to their loved ones seriously. But I don't think that's why black kids are disproportionately fatherless. It's more likely the result of a system designed to funnal black people into the criminal justice system, that has been yanking parents away from their children for more than a century. This system is designed to ensure the only economic opportunities available to them when they get out is crime (and non violent activities, like selling pot, that we've decided to label as "crime"). And the system includes an education system designed to make sure they're not qualified for anything else.

I wonder if the dei programs that Trump is aggressively annihilating are at least partially responsible for the lower crime rate we see today by breaking the cycle of the birth to grave black people imprisonment system that our criminal justice system is part of (in additionto the school to prison pipeline our public education system has become)?

[montestewart]

There is neither a question nor a judgment of "truth" in this arena. & "entitlement" is a code word (as is "lifestyle" for that matter).

People simply are who they are -- unless they are doing someone harm. Beyond that, judgment simply does not come into question.

OTOH, Donald Trump is obviously a low-life. & he's obviously a crook as well. Are you really prepared to deny either of those statements, you who quotes Torah to characterize yourself?

I don't know you, but I read what you write here. You need to change your life, son, if you will forgive my presumption. If you are a Jew, well... there were Jews who supported Hitler too, believe it or not. If you're a Christian you might want to re-read the Beatitudes.

Jews who supported Hitler are like Blacks who like MAGA and Trump.

Tim Scott and Clarence Thomas are [please find a less provocative term].

You said it not me

Sorry CCJ, I know it's not your intent, but I'm worried about normalizing that term on the board, and where that might lead.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There is neither a question nor a judgment of "truth" in this arena. & "entitlement" is a code word (as is "lifestyle" for that matter).

People simply are who they are -- unless they are doing someone harm. Beyond that, judgment simply does not come into question.

OTOH, Donald Trump is obviously a low-life. & he's obviously a crook as well. Are you really prepared to deny either of those statements, you who quotes Torah to characterize yourself?

I don't know you, but I read what you write here. You need to change your life, son, if you will forgive my presumption. If you are a Jew, well... there were Jews who supported Hitler too, believe it or not. If you're a Christian you might want to re-read the Beatitudes.

Jews who supported Hitler are like Blacks who like MAGA and Trump.

Tim Scott and Clarence Thomas are [please find a less provocative term].

You said it not me

Cocoons?

(I watch too much South Park. That's a joke, hopefully not offensive.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jews who supported Hitler are like Blacks who like MAGA and Trump.

Tim Scott and Clarence Thomas are [please find a less provocative term].

You said it not me

Sorry CCJ, I know it's not your intent, but I'm worried about normalizing that term on the board, and where that might lead.

I understand.

I blame the late Petey Greene. Ran into him one day at the wharf in southwest. We were both buying crabs. He was something else. His show was not PC.

This has nothing to do with apologizing for my faux pas.

Current events have me spooked. Can I say that? Context is everything.

I guess I should have used a MAGA approach and attacked Tim Scott's appearance. Nah, leave Bucky Beaver out of this.

Montestewart, I apologize.

I need to sign off for a bit. I think it's TDS.

[Zonkerbl]

You said it not me

Sorry CCJ, I know it's not your intent, but I'm worried about normalizing that term on the board, and where that might lead.

I understand.

I blame the late Petey Greene. Ran into him one day at the wharf in southwest. We were both buying crabs. He was something else. His show was not PC.

This has nothing to do with apologizing for my faux pas.

Current events have me spooked. Can I say that? Context is everything.

I guess I should have used a MAGA approach and attacked Tim Scott's appearance. Nah, leave Bucky Beaver out of this.

Montestewart, I apologize.

I need to sign off for a bit. I think it's TDS.

I'm confused. It's no big deal? We forgive you? Seriously, it's possible to make a small mistake and still be a good person. Believe me as someone who has done much worse than use off color language on a message board.

[montestewart]

Sorry CCJ, I know it's not your intent, but I'm worried about normalizing that term on the board, and where that might lead.

I understand.

I blame the late Petey Greene. Ran into him one day at the wharf in southwest. We were both buying crabs. He was something else. His show was not PC.

This has nothing to do with apologizing for my faux pas.

Current events have me spooked. Can I say that? Context is everything.

I guess I should have used a MAGA approach and attacked Tim Scott's appearance. Nah, leave Bucky Beaver out of this.

Montestewart, I apologize.

I need to sign off for a bit. I think it's TDS.

I'm confused. It's no big deal? We forgive you? Seriously, it's possible to make a small mistake and still be a good person. Believe me as someone who has done much worse than use off color language on a message board.

Agree, not a big deal CCJ. Don't disappear over it.

PS: I remember Petey Green on TV. He would have been a (controversial) superstar had he come along later.

[JWizmentality]

I grew up in a country far more dangerous than DC, and never had half what you claim happen to me or any extended family. Statistics and probability say you're full of ****. Either that or you're a gang member or you have the lousiest situational awareness, or both.

Oh no, some liberal whacko thinks I make up violent atrocities for what? There's no reasoning with you guys who think every one should make the same salary and hold hands singing kumbaya. Im not making up anything, I see everyday the scar on my family member's head from the pistol whip. You're full of crap, you never experienced the victim side of crime because you yourself were the one doing it. Most of what I said happened to loved ones; working to support your fam or waiting for public transportation isnt having a lack of situational awareness, nor is waiting at a red light when commuting to/and from work. I suppose I should just run the red light at sketchy DC intersections, there's a viable solution.

Take the skit somewhere else. You're not changing any minds here with your dribble so why are you still here?

You are right though. I would totally pistol whip you. I just know you have a very pistol whippable face.

[montestewart]

I grew up in a country far more dangerous than DC, and never had half what you claim happen to me or any extended family. Statistics and probability say you're full of ****. Either that or you're a gang member or you have the lousiest situational awareness, or both.

Oh no, some liberal whacko thinks I make up violent atrocities for what? There's no reasoning with you guys who think every one should make the same salary and hold hands singing kumbaya. Im not making up anything, I see everyday the scar on my family member's head from the pistol whip. You're full of crap, you never experienced the victim side of crime because you yourself were the one doing it. Most of what I said happened to loved ones; working to support your fam or waiting for public transportation isnt having a lack of situational awareness, nor is waiting at a red light when commuting to/and from work. I suppose I should just run the red light at sketchy DC intersections, there's a viable solution.

Take the skit somewhere else. You're not changing any minds here with your dribble so why are you still here?

You are right though. I would totally pistol whip you. I just know you have a very pistol whippable face.

My records indicates both D1 and JWiz are law abiding citizens, guessing this is some sort of theatrical dance number replete with crime metaphors. Carry on my wayward sons.

[JWizmentality]

Oh no, some liberal whacko thinks I make up violent atrocities for what? There's no reasoning with you guys who think every one should make the same salary and hold hands singing kumbaya. Im not making up anything, I see everyday the scar on my family member's head from the pistol whip. You're full of crap, you never experienced the victim side of crime because you yourself were the one doing it. Most of what I said happened to loved ones; working to support your fam or waiting for public transportation isnt having a lack of situational awareness, nor is waiting at a red light when commuting to/and from work. I suppose I should just run the red light at sketchy DC intersections, there's a viable solution.

Take the skit somewhere else. You're not changing any minds here with your dribble so why are you still here?

You are right though. I would totally pistol whip you. I just know you have a very pistol whippable face.

My records indicates both D1 and JWiz are law abiding citizens, guessing this is some sort of theatrical dance number replete with crime metaphors. Carry on my wayward sons.

Ha! I'm a serial jaywalker.

[payitforward]

I need to sign off for a bit.

Please don't. Please stay active on the board.

[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

point of reference - on Sat Aug 23rd, I wrote -

Ironic how the same folk who preach moral values
often seem to have a preference for the person
with the most documented finding of failure in
values ie most criminal convictions, most findings
of civil liability and most payments in settlements
from civil lawsuits in our nation's history. All that
with the biggest and worst scandal to be fully teased
out. Of course all those things must be fake news
made up by TDS sufferers.

about an hour later

Daoneandonly --

how do you respond to dobrojim?

hey PiF
Thank you for asking the question.
So far at least, the answer is abject silence.

So we can only guess at the reasons. Rather than guess, I would merely suggest the answer
is perhaps so transparent that even the author, as hard as he might try, might himself find them somewhere on the spectrum
between meritless and patently false. And better not to answer in order to maintain some notion of self respect.

Do you agree that Donald Trump is an evil human being? Based on evidence easily available to any who care to look at it?

From where I sit, even though he/tRump only speaks (or orders his minions) to violence in what many believe is an effort to construct a
thin patina to rationalize and to dodge legal responsibility, the effects of his multiple acts of criminal fraud are as harmful to the well
being of untold hundreds/thousands or more (the exact number is large and impossible to determine) as are the victims of the kind
of criminal violence Da1 has sadly described being a victim of himself. tRump doesn't have the courage to do these things himself so
he gets his lawyers and employees to do them for him. Just like his mob boss heroes.

&, when it becomes clear that he was one of Epstein's recipients? Will that do? Will you then call him out as the evil man he is?

Would anyone be surprised if his supporter's rationalizations for the acts implied by his association with the dead pedophile
Epstein weren't already partially if not fully constructed? Of course the cult members have long since forgotten I just grab them
by the pu$$y.

Respectfully, please answer these questions.

[Wizardspride]

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[AFM]

He’s just quoting Joseph Conrad (the president is an avid reader)

[Zonkerbl]

My bloosky feed is currently discussing how stupid it is that Dems always assume the GOP are good people. None of the analysis the Dems have done the last 25 years has been even remotely accurate. A hairy guy with a placard saying "the end is nigh" who also assumes the GOP are populated primarily by paragons of evil would do a better job crafting a strategic response.

[dobrojim]

Most pro crime POTUS in our history

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Trump's use of the pardon and direction of DoJ
make his own legal history seem like a tempest
in a teapot. Dare any MAGAs to watch this and or
defend or refute this. To say it's bad doesn't begin
to describe it. It's difficult to come up with a
rationale for how it could be this bad.

[verbal8]

Trump is trying to take on Wes Moore in a battle of wits - and showing he is unarmed.

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[dobrojim]

Republicans continue to trend unpopular in
districts that until recently have been solidly
red. This loss in Iowa cost them their supermajority.

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In TX, the recent gerrymandering has the potential
to weaken more districts than it strengthens for GOP.

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