2025-26 Off-Season

[JujitsuFlip]

Well, that's not good. Probably won't see Strus until 2026.

Might need to actually fill spot 14 with a useful player.

[toooskies]

Ugh. Strus out with a broken foot:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281762/Max-Strus-Out-3-4-Months-With-Surgery-On-Jones-Fracture-In-Left-Foot

I guess he'll be back by Christmas? Reconsidering my earlier statement about Beasley...

[jbk1234]

Well, Proctor is getting a baptism by fire his rookie season. Travers is going to see plenty of PT as well. However, with Ball and Nance as our offseason additions, suddenly our roster looks really injury prone and I really want to see us add a physical backup center. I'm still holding out hope that Bradley is a cap casualty in Indiana.

[JonFromVA]

That's 2 years in a row he's missed the beginning of the season.

Will we get a nice long look of Hunter with the starters?

At least until he gets hurt ...

[JujitsuFlip]

That's 2 years in a row he's missed the beginning of the season.

Will we get a nice long look of Hunter with the starters?

At least until he gets hurt ...

I'd prefer Wade but he'll ultimately get hurt too lol

[jbk1234]

That's 2 years in a row he's missed the beginning of the season.

Will we get a nice long look of Hunter with the starters?

At least until he gets hurt ...

I might start (edit) Tyson.

[JonFromVA]

That's 2 years in a row he's missed the beginning of the season.

Will we get a nice long look of Hunter with the starters?

At least until he gets hurt ...

I might start Travers.

Sounds like something JBB might do (in order to keep his rotation intact).

If Kenny is thinking he wants Hunter as his bench scorer and doesn't want to shake up his substitution pattern, I would think Tyson would get the nod before Travers based on experience and that Tyson has accepted a supporting role when playing with other guys who can dribble.

[jbk1234]

That's 2 years in a row he's missed the beginning of the season.

Will we get a nice long look of Hunter with the starters?

At least until he gets hurt ...

I might start Travers.

Sounds like something JBB might do (in order to keep his rotation intact).

If Kenny is thinking he wants Hunter as his bench scorer and doesn't want to shake up his substitution pattern, I would think Tyson would get the nod before Travers based on experience and that Tyson has accepted a supporting role when playing with other guys who can dribble.

Sorry, I meant Tyson.

[toooskies]

I might start Travers.

Sounds like something JBB might do (in order to keep his rotation intact).

If Kenny is thinking he wants Hunter as his bench scorer and doesn't want to shake up his substitution pattern, I would think Tyson would get the nod before Travers based on experience and that Tyson has accepted a supporting role when playing with other guys who can dribble.

Sorry, I meant Tyson.

Glad I kept reading to the end of the thread. Travers would be an odd move given I wasn't sure he'd be retained on his two-way.

I think the decision depends on Garland's timeline. If Garland's nearly ready to go at the start of the season, and just Strus were out long-term, I'd go with Wade or Tyson. But if Garland is going to miss a month of the regular season, you now have some room for more scoring in the starting lineup so I could see Merrill + Hunter starting. I'm not sure Merrill + Tyson gets it done as starters, but it could be a situation where Tyson gets the start but plays 15 minutes.

It also depends on whether Hunter wants the starting job or not.

[JujitsuFlip]

I fear it'll be Merrill. But with Garland most likely out to start the year too may not be as bad.

Mitchell
Merrill
Wade
Mobley
Allen

Ball would make more sense in the back court but the rumor is he won't play back to backs. LNJ and Hunter would be the 'bigs' off the bench. Tyson behind Wade and Merrill on the wing.

Then i assume CPJ or Proctor with whatever spot 1 minutes are left.

[JonFromVA]

I fear it'll be Merrill. But with Garland most likely out to start the year too may not be as bad.

Mitchell
Merrill
Wade
Mobley
Allen

Ball would make more sense in the back court but the rumor is he won't play back to backs. LNJ and Hunter would be the 'bigs' off the bench. Tyson behind Wade and Merrill on the wing.

Then i assume CPJ or Proctor with whatever spot 1 minutes are left.

Yeah, I'd like another ball handler in that lineup, so presumably it'll be Ball and then on the back to backs we can go with one of CPJ, Proctor, or Tyson.

[JujitsuFlip]

I fear it'll be Merrill. But with Garland most likely out to start the year too may not be as bad.

Mitchell
Merrill
Wade
Mobley
Allen

Ball would make more sense in the back court but the rumor is he won't play back to backs. LNJ and Hunter would be the 'bigs' off the bench. Tyson behind Wade and Merrill on the wing.

Then i assume CPJ or Proctor with whatever spot 1 minutes are left.

Yeah, I'd like another ball handler in that lineup, so presumably it'll be Ball and then on the back to backs we can go with one of CPJ, Proctor, or Tyson.

In that case i fear Kenny would go

Ball
Mitchell
Merrill
Mobley
Allen

Sidebar, i do not consider Tyson a ball handler by any stretch of the imagination. The 6.7 APG in 3 summer league games are cool but it came with 4.0 TOPG too. Tyson should never be handling the ball, when it matters aka the regular season and post season.

[toooskies]

I fear it'll be Merrill. But with Garland most likely out to start the year too may not be as bad.

Mitchell
Merrill
Wade
Mobley
Allen

Ball would make more sense in the back court but the rumor is he won't play back to backs. LNJ and Hunter would be the 'bigs' off the bench. Tyson behind Wade and Merrill on the wing.

Then i assume CPJ or Proctor with whatever spot 1 minutes are left.

Yeah, I'd like another ball handler in that lineup, so presumably it'll be Ball and then on the back to backs we can go with one of CPJ, Proctor, or Tyson.

In that case i fear Kenny would go

Ball
Mitchell
Merrill
Mobley
Allen

Sidebar, i do not consider Tyson a ball handler by any stretch of the imagination. The 6.7 APG in 3 summer league games are cool but it came with 4.0 TOPG too. Tyson should never be handling the ball, when it matters aka the regular season and post season.

The first rule of summer league is not to read too much into summer league. Without watching back tape to see whose fault those turnovers are, I'm going to guess that they weren't all on Tyson. Especially when we were planning on CPJ running the show there. Could be bigs with bad hands, could be shooters who weren't in the right place, etc.

Not that I consider Tyson anything more than a secondary ballhandler/connector. I don't want him running the pick-and-roll. But I wouldn't mind him grabbing & going in transition.

[JujitsuFlip]

Yeah, I'd like another ball handler in that lineup, so presumably it'll be Ball and then on the back to backs we can go with one of CPJ, Proctor, or Tyson.

In that case i fear Kenny would go

Ball
Mitchell
Merrill
Mobley
Allen

Sidebar, i do not consider Tyson a ball handler by any stretch of the imagination. The 6.7 APG in 3 summer league games are cool but it came with 4.0 TOPG too. Tyson should never be handling the ball, when it matters aka the regular season and post season.

The first rule of summer league is not to read too much into summer league. Without watching back tape to see whose fault those turnovers are, I'm going to guess that they weren't all on Tyson. Especially when we were planning on CPJ running the show there. Could be bigs with bad hands, could be shooters who weren't in the right place, etc.

Not that I consider Tyson anything more than a secondary ballhandler/connector. I don't want him running the pick-and-roll. But I wouldn't mind him grabbing & going in transition.

He's just never did it on any other level. Not high school, not college, not g league, not pro.

So, if ya don't want to count the SL TO, fine but i wouldn't count these assts either, due to level of competition and tiny sample.

[toooskies]

In that case i fear Kenny would go

Ball
Mitchell
Merrill
Mobley
Allen

Sidebar, i do not consider Tyson a ball handler by any stretch of the imagination. The 6.7 APG in 3 summer league games are cool but it came with 4.0 TOPG too. Tyson should never be handling the ball, when it matters aka the regular season and post season.

The first rule of summer league is not to read too much into summer league. Without watching back tape to see whose fault those turnovers are, I'm going to guess that they weren't all on Tyson. Especially when we were planning on CPJ running the show there. Could be bigs with bad hands, could be shooters who weren't in the right place, etc.

Not that I consider Tyson anything more than a secondary ballhandler/connector. I don't want him running the pick-and-roll. But I wouldn't mind him grabbing & going in transition.

He's just never did it on any other level. Not high school, not college, not g league, not pro.

So, if ya don't want to count the SL TO, fine but i wouldn't count these assts either, due to level of competition and tiny sample.

He did lead his team in assists at Cal. 3.5 assists per game at the college level isn't terrible given that Flagg led all Final Four teams with 4.6 APG. Proctor's career high in assists in college were 3.7 two seasons ago. Craig Porter's college high was 4.9 but previously lower.

I'm not saying I want him playing PG and we have CPJ for that when needed. My expectations for him would not be to be a Garland or even Mitchell-level ballhandler, but ending up somewhere around Strus's level (who also hadn't been a great passer at any level before Cleveland). Not explicitly running the offense but can take pressure off or dribble in transition.

[JujitsuFlip]

The first rule of summer league is not to read too much into summer league. Without watching back tape to see whose fault those turnovers are, I'm going to guess that they weren't all on Tyson. Especially when we were planning on CPJ running the show there. Could be bigs with bad hands, could be shooters who weren't in the right place, etc.

Not that I consider Tyson anything more than a secondary ballhandler/connector. I don't want him running the pick-and-roll. But I wouldn't mind him grabbing & going in transition.

He's just never did it on any other level. Not high school, not college, not g league, not pro.

So, if ya don't want to count the SL TO, fine but i wouldn't count these assts either, due to level of competition and tiny sample.

He did lead his team in assists at Cal. 3.5 assists per game at the college level isn't terrible given that Flagg led all Final Four teams with 4.6 APG. Proctor's career high in assists in college were 3.7 two seasons ago. Craig Porter's college high was 4.9 but previously lower.

I'm not saying I want him playing PG and we have CPJ for that when needed. My expectations for him would not be to be a Garland or even Mitchell-level ballhandler, but ending up somewhere around Strus's level (who also hadn't been a great passer at any level before Cleveland). Not explicitly running the offense but can take pressure off or dribble in transition.

3.5 assists to 3.1 TO is not good though... He's throwing the ball to the other team or out of bounds 50% of the time.

[toooskies]

He's just never did it on any other level. Not high school, not college, not g league, not pro.

So, if ya don't want to count the SL TO, fine but i wouldn't count these assts either, due to level of competition and tiny sample.

He did lead his team in assists at Cal. 3.5 assists per game at the college level isn't terrible given that Flagg led all Final Four teams with 4.6 APG. Proctor's career high in assists in college were 3.7 two seasons ago. Craig Porter's college high was 4.9 but previously lower.

I'm not saying I want him playing PG and we have CPJ for that when needed. My expectations for him would not be to be a Garland or even Mitchell-level ballhandler, but ending up somewhere around Strus's level (who also hadn't been a great passer at any level before Cleveland). Not explicitly running the offense but can take pressure off or dribble in transition.

3.5 assists to 3.1 TO is not good though... He's throwing the ball to the other team or out of bounds 50% of the time.

And Strus's best year was 2.2 assists to 2.0 turnovers in college. Stephen Curry's A/TO his second year in college was worse than Tyson's (2.9 assists to 2.6 TOs). At all these levels Tyson has been asked to be more of a scorer than a passer. In theory his turnovers should get better when not forcing the issue to create.

Tyson was 1.7 AST/TO with the Cavs, 1.5 AST/TO combining NBA and G-League. That's not a great number but fine for an NBA rookie wing.

[JujitsuFlip]

He did lead his team in assists at Cal. 3.5 assists per game at the college level isn't terrible given that Flagg led all Final Four teams with 4.6 APG. Proctor's career high in assists in college were 3.7 two seasons ago. Craig Porter's college high was 4.9 but previously lower.

I'm not saying I want him playing PG and we have CPJ for that when needed. My expectations for him would not be to be a Garland or even Mitchell-level ballhandler, but ending up somewhere around Strus's level (who also hadn't been a great passer at any level before Cleveland). Not explicitly running the offense but can take pressure off or dribble in transition.

3.5 assists to 3.1 TO is not good though... He's throwing the ball to the other team or out of bounds 50% of the time.

And Strus's best year was 2.2 assists to 2.0 turnovers in college. Stephen Curry's A/TO his second year in college was worse than Tyson's (2.9 assists to 2.6 TOs). At all these levels Tyson has been asked to be more of a scorer than a passer. In theory his turnovers should get better when not forcing the issue to create.

Tyson was 1.7 AST/TO with the Cavs, 1.5 AST/TO combining NBA and G-League. That's not a great number but fine for an NBA rookie wing.

No one has ever asked Strus to be a ball handler though.

And for Steph, there's a reason the Warriors didn't find success until Kerr was hired and moved him to SG, his natural position.

[toooskies]

3.5 assists to 3.1 TO is not good though... He's throwing the ball to the other team or out of bounds 50% of the time.

And Strus's best year was 2.2 assists to 2.0 turnovers in college. Stephen Curry's A/TO his second year in college was worse than Tyson's (2.9 assists to 2.6 TOs). At all these levels Tyson has been asked to be more of a scorer than a passer. In theory his turnovers should get better when not forcing the issue to create.

Tyson was 1.7 AST/TO with the Cavs, 1.5 AST/TO combining NBA and G-League. That's not a great number but fine for an NBA rookie wing.

No one has ever asked Strus to be a ball handler though.

And for Steph, there's a reason the Warriors didn't find success until Kerr was hired and moved him to SG, his natural position.

I have a different definition of ballhandler, then. You apparently are defining the concept narrowly enough that it's effectively just PGs and point-forwards.

[JujitsuFlip]

And Strus's best year was 2.2 assists to 2.0 turnovers in college. Stephen Curry's A/TO his second year in college was worse than Tyson's (2.9 assists to 2.6 TOs). At all these levels Tyson has been asked to be more of a scorer than a passer. In theory his turnovers should get better when not forcing the issue to create.

Tyson was 1.7 AST/TO with the Cavs, 1.5 AST/TO combining NBA and G-League. That's not a great number but fine for an NBA rookie wing.

No one has ever asked Strus to be a ball handler though.

And for Steph, there's a reason the Warriors didn't find success until Kerr was hired and moved him to SG, his natural position.

I have a different definition of ballhandler, then. You apparently are defining the concept narrowly enough that it's effectively just PGs and point-forwards.

Well yeah, i don't want Tyson handling the ball or initiating offense lol because the odds of him setting his teammate up for a bucket are just as likely as him dribbling it off his shoe out of bounds.