Mavericks Players

[Golabki]

I don't hate the fundamentals of a Kuminga to Sac, Monk to Dallas, Gaff to GSW deal. I'd be willing to throw in TJD to help Dallas backfill the C spot. Would require Dallas to dump some salary on a cap space team though to avoid triggering the first apron.

I wouldn't like it if Dallas is the team that has to pay some incentive for that dump, to me it should be Sac. Monk has never really contributed to winning basketball and at this point is bordering on journeyman territory

I take issue with the idea that monk doesn't contribute to winning when the stats tell the opposite story.

Monk played in 65 games last season we had a record of 36-29 when he played. 17 games without monk our record was 4-13.

Monk is part of the kings best lineup based on advanced stats with a net ratting of +17.1. just to be clear that lineup had a defensive rating of 102.2 meaning they were a very good defensive lineup and that was the kings 3rd most used lineup. monk, derozan, Murray, sabonis and ellis.

I'm a fan of monk and I want people to recognize that the guy is a lot more valuable than people give him credit for.

The league (other than Joe Dumars) has caught up to the fact that under sized score first combo guards just aren't that valuable. Sexton got dumped for negative value. The Celtics would LOVE to dump Simons for $20M of dead money and can't find anyone interested. Monk maybe better than those guys, but no one wants to be lock into playing him almost $20M.

[jayjaysee]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

[daoneandonly]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

Yes, but Dallas has to dump someone, and I just dont think Dallas is the team to add value for said dump, should be Sacramento. Even GS would owe ahead of Dallas in such a scenario. Monk is the least valuable among the trio of Kuminga, Gaff, and himself.

[gswhoops]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

[Texas Chuck]

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

You don't fear a backcourt rotation of Russell, Thompson, Christie, Williams, Hardy, and I guess Exum?

Guess the OP is right, people just hate Mavericks players cuz they're Mavericks

[gswhoops]

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

You don't fear a backcourt rotation of Russell, Thompson, Christie, Williams, Hardy, and I guess Exum?

Guess the OP is right, people just hate Mavericks players cuz they're Mavericks

I mean our frontcourt rotation right now consists of a 6' 6" 35 year old with a bad back and 2 guys picked in the 50s, so something about glass houses and stones might apply here

[jayjaysee]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. Likely the worst imo honestly. But bottom few for sure. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

[gswhoops]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. Likely the worst imo honestly. But bottom few for sure. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

The worst of any team that's trying to win meaningful basketball games this year, certainly.

[Golabki]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

Monk and Gafford are kinda similar. Both are solid players if they are in a very specific role, but both really lack flexibility to be effective outside those roles. And they are both on multiyear deals where other teams are going to really think twice about how they impact financial flexibility in a couple years. Like, is Gafford really any better than Luke Kornet?

[jayjaysee]

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

Monk and Gafford are kinda similar. Both are solid players if they are in a very specific role, but both really lack flexibility to be effective outside those roles. And they are both on multiyear deals where other teams are going to really think twice about how they impact financial flexibility in a couple years. Like, is Gafford really any better than Luke Kornet?

Really don’t know. I know Gafford makes offense really easy. And hustles (not effectively all the time) on defense… So I’d much rather have the 27 year old Gafford than the 30 year old sort of unproven Luke..

[Texas Chuck]

Really don’t know. I know Gafford makes offense really easy. And hustles (not effectively all the time) on defense… So I’d much rather have the 27 year old Gafford than the 30 year old sort of unproven Luke..

I'm curious about some of these end of rotation Celtic players that have gotten tons of love because of some stats that may be because these are high level role players or may be because they have shared the court with 4 elite 2-way players.

Maybe Kornet is a borderline starter/great backup. Maybe Hauser is the best shooting specialist in the whole league. But my guess is they look more like JAG's this season. As may Pritchard.

[jbk1234]

Monk would be Dallas’ best guard until Kyrie gets back.

It might not be worth paying a lot for since Dallas does have “depth” at the guard position with DLO leading the way… but if it’s Gafford for Monk+TJD, I really don’t want to believe Dallas turns it down.

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. Likely the worst imo honestly. But bottom few for sure. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

The Bucks are worse.

[jayjaysee]

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. Likely the worst imo honestly. But bottom few for sure. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

The Bucks are worse.

You are right actually. But Dallas still sitting in bottom few in the league

Will add the unrelated asterisk that Dallas could easily address the need compared to how limited Milwaukee is with matching salary/assets..

[Golabki]

Really don’t know. I know Gafford makes offense really easy. And hustles (not effectively all the time) on defense… So I’d much rather have the 27 year old Gafford than the 30 year old sort of unproven Luke..

I'm curious about some of these end of rotation Celtic players that have gotten tons of love because of some stats that may be because these are high level role players or may be because they have shared the court with 4 elite 2-way players.

Maybe Kornet is a borderline starter/great backup. Maybe Hauser is the best shooting specialist in the whole league. But my guess is they look more like JAG's this season. As may Pritchard.

I'll respond as a Celtics fan.

Kornet's got a different physical profile than Gafford (bigger, but much less athletic). But both guys are VERY efficient finishers if someone else is creating a dunk for them, but not very good at anything else (although Kornet is actually more versatile in terms of ball skills). And both are okay rim protectors, but not really able to do anything else on defense. I think both guys are about the same. If they're starting then you need to upgrade to be a serious team, but if he's a backup that you can DPCD against certain opponents, they're awesome.

I think Hauser is basically current Klay Thompson. Truly elite off-ball shooter that can be an adequate SF on D if you have other good defenders. I think I mean that as a compliment to both players, but I'm not sure.

I think Pritchard is a poor mans Russell on offense, and a rich mans Russell on defense. I think I mean that as an insult to both players, but I'm not sure.

[Golabki]

They've got a lot of bodies...I don't know that they have "depth" in a meaningful sense.

Yeah, I was definitely saying the same thing. If DLO is leading the way, you have a very clear problem.

Bottom few guard rotation in the league until Kyrie gets back. Likely the worst imo honestly. But bottom few for sure. And who knows how Kyrie will look when he gets back.

The Bucks are worse.

I think the Bucks are a good example of why the OP thinks the Mavs are so deep. Russell would almost certainly start on the Bucks, and Williams, Exum, Naji and Martin would all have a chance to start on the Bucks. What he missed is that this doesn't mean the Mavs are awesome. It means the Bucks suck.

[Texas Chuck]

Kornet's got a different physical profile than Gafford (bigger, but much less athletic). But both guys are VERY efficient finishers if someone else is creating a dunk for them, but not very good at anything else (although Kornet is actually more versatile in terms of ball skills). And both are okay rim protectors, but not really able to do anything else on defense. I think both guys are about the same. If they're starting then you need to upgrade to be a serious team, but if he's a backup that you can DPCD against certain opponents, they're awesome.

Gafford definitely has more to his offensive game than catching lobs. Now he can't shoot from any distance and he's not a passer. But he's got a complete scoring game in the paint. There is a reason he is among FG% leaders every year and its not just that he only dunks.

Kornet shoots 54% for his career. Gafford 71%. Massive difference.
Gafford has 50% higher volume per 100. Massive difference.
Gafford is the stronger offensive rebounder 12% to 10%
FTR more than twice as high for Gafford
Kornet does have the asst% edge at a bit over 10% while Gafford is a bit under 8%

I think in terms of offensive impact they are not particularly close or similar. I think its a pretty clear edge to Gafford. Not just in the production but in the space it creates as teams have to sag off the corners to hedge the rim against him in ways they don't against Kornet.

Defensive impact is more similar. Though Gafford is far more mobile so while the Kornet 3-pt challenge is great fun, Gafford is actually able to more credible close out or switch. His less than stellar instincts though can sometimes make that a liability over Kornet who understands his own limitations and sticks to his strengths mitigating some of the negative plays Gafford has through misguided hustle and effort.

I don't see much argument that Gafford isn't a meaningfully better player at this point. On offense its clear via eye test or metrics. And I think we both agree that defensively both guys aren't terrible, but they aren't good enough to be a good team's defensive anchor.

[ddavmor]

No, the OP said Mavs are deepest team in the league. I did not say they were awesome, but I did say, if healthy they have legitimate championship aspirations. Well founded options. And I haven't seen anything that would change my mind. Thx for all the input. Maybe the wrong board, but it was directed at all the trade ideas.

[SlimShady83]

Reaves for Gafford I would do this

[jbk1234]

Reaves for Gafford I would do this

Yeah, but Jeanie wouldn't. Out of curiosity, does she still have veto rights after the sale?

[Texas Chuck]

Stein reporting Mavs are increasing their efforts to clear the roster spot for Exum with an emphasis on trading OMax Prosper.