Post Sept 6th Trade: Barrett for Green/Connaughton

[Bentley1225]

Ill offert his 1 for 2 swap between EC teams as
-Charlotte get a starting calibre 2 guard in RJ Barrett
-The Raptors swap out Green as they create competititon at the 2 in training camp while getting out of tax apron

To Charlotte
-RJ Barrett (2 years, $57.3 million)

To Toronto (waive Temple)
-Josh Green (2 years, $28.3 million)
-Pat Connaughton (1 year, $9.4 million - buyout/waive)

Why?
-The Hornets add Barrett who can start at the 2 as the Hornets look to add more scoring in backcourt

Ball/Mann/Dinwiddie/Smith
Barrett/Sexton/Jeffries
Miller/Knupel/McNeeley
Miles/Salaun/Williams
Diabate/Plumlee

-The Raptors get under tax apron as they can waive Temple, and buyout/stretch Connaughton) in order to use exemption money to sign a backup PG

Quickley/FA?/Shead
Dick/Green/Walter
Ingram/Agbaji/Lawson
Barnes/Boyles/Battle
Poeltl/Mogbo/Mamuke

[babyjax13]

I can kind of see the logic for Charlotte in that they do get a more useful player, but they also get a player who is expensive. I think they should be more interested in Poeltl if they want to win, and if Toronto isn't gelling that could make more sense for them. IDK, I do not see RJ getting traded, but I can kind of see this one, so probably the best possible effort.

[Raptors Realtor]

I can kind of see the logic for Charlotte in that they do get a more useful player, but they also get a player who is expensive. I think they should be more interested in Poeltl if they want to win, and if Toronto isn't gelling that could make more sense for them. IDK, I do not see RJ getting traded, but I can kind of see this one, so probably the best possible effort.

Raps wouldn't be interested in either offers in this thread. We don't have room to take on the extra player (Connaughton), and both are obviously pretty significant downgrades from RJ. In terms of Poeltl, he was just extended/re-signed this offseason, so don't see him going anywhere since we have no one to replace him at C.

[babyjax13]

I can kind of see the logic for Charlotte in that they do get a more useful player, but they also get a player who is expensive. I think they should be more interested in Poeltl if they want to win, and if Toronto isn't gelling that could make more sense for them. IDK, I do not see RJ getting traded, but I can kind of see this one, so probably the best possible effort.

Raps wouldn't be interested in either offers in this thread. We don't have room to take on the extra player (Connaughton), and both are obviously pretty significant downgrades from RJ. In terms of Poeltl, he was just extended/re-signed this offseason, so don't see him going anywhere since we have no one to replace him at C.

I think if the team doesn't gel they will just look for the best deals they can find for their non-core players. To me, that would mean all of RJ/Quickley/Ingram/Poeltl would get shopped and the young guys would stay. But, perhaps it all comes to better better than we think.

[Bentley1225]

I can kind of see the logic for Charlotte in that they do get a more useful player, but they also get a player who is expensive. I think they should be more interested in Poeltl if they want to win, and if Toronto isn't gelling that could make more sense for them. IDK, I do not see RJ getting traded, but I can kind of see this one, so probably the best possible effort.

Raps wouldn't be interested in either offers in this thread. We don't have room to take on the extra player (Connaughton), and both are obviously pretty significant downgrades from RJ. In terms of Poeltl, he was just extended/re-signed this offseason, so don't see him going anywhere since we have no one to replace him at C.

As I alluded to in post, Temple would have to be waived which is inconsequential and dont try and sell me that Temple is a vital piece for the culture. He’ll be 38.5 years old to start the season.

The deal is predicated on if you believe both Dick and Walter warrant more minutes to validate what they are

[Raptors Realtor]

I can kind of see the logic for Charlotte in that they do get a more useful player, but they also get a player who is expensive. I think they should be more interested in Poeltl if they want to win, and if Toronto isn't gelling that could make more sense for them. IDK, I do not see RJ getting traded, but I can kind of see this one, so probably the best possible effort.

Raps wouldn't be interested in either offers in this thread. We don't have room to take on the extra player (Connaughton), and both are obviously pretty significant downgrades from RJ. In terms of Poeltl, he was just extended/re-signed this offseason, so don't see him going anywhere since we have no one to replace him at C.

As I alluded to in post, Temple would have to be waived which is inconsequential and dont try and sell me that Temple is a vital piece for the culture. He’ll be 38.5 years old to start the season.

The deal is predicated on if you believe both Dick and Walter warrant more minutes to validate what they are

Ya of course Temple can be waived, but Connaughton is a total non factor for us, and I'm sure ownership wouldn't be enthused about buying out his $9M contract. Walter and Dick would definitely be ahead of Green for minutes... We have no use for either player... There's easier/better ways to get below the 1st apron prior to the end of the season, which we're barely above.

[Bentley1225]

Raps wouldn't be interested in either offers in this thread. We don't have room to take on the extra player (Connaughton), and both are obviously pretty significant downgrades from RJ. In terms of Poeltl, he was just extended/re-signed this offseason, so don't see him going anywhere since we have no one to replace him at C.

As I alluded to in post, Temple would have to be waived which is inconsequential and dont try and sell me that Temple is a vital piece for the culture. He’ll be 38.5 years old to start the season.

The deal is predicated on if you believe both Dick and Walter warrant more minutes to validate what they are

Ya of course Temple can be waived, but Connaughton is a total non factor for us, and I'm sure ownership wouldn't be enthused about buying out his $9M contract. Walter and Dick would definitely be ahead of Green for minutes... We have no use for either player... There's easier/better ways to get below the 1st apron prior to the end of the season, which we're barely above.

The crux of the deal is to get far enough under the tax to use exemption money to sign a decent backup PG which is a glaring need. Agreed that Green would not be viewed as a key piece but he makes less than 50% of what Barrett makes. PC is included to make it work financially. He has negative value. Maybe the Hornets throw in a 2nd round pick.

[Raptors Realtor]

As I alluded to in post, Temple would have to be waived which is inconsequential and dont try and sell me that Temple is a vital piece for the culture. He’ll be 38.5 years old to start the season.

The deal is predicated on if you believe both Dick and Walter warrant more minutes to validate what they are

Ya of course Temple can be waived, but Connaughton is a total non factor for us, and I'm sure ownership wouldn't be enthused about buying out his $9M contract. Walter and Dick would definitely be ahead of Green for minutes... We have no use for either player... There's easier/better ways to get below the 1st apron prior to the end of the season, which we're barely above.

The crux of the deal is to get far enough under the tax to use exemption money to sign a decent backup PG which is a glaring need. Agreed that Green would not be viewed as a key piece but he makes less than 50% of what Barrett makes. PC is included to make it work financially. He has negative value. Maybe the Hornets throw in a 2nd round pick.

I think Shead can handle the backup pg duties.

[jbk1234]

The Hornets have zero need for Barrett. They have Melo, Miles, Sexton, and Brandon Miller (who they really need to get touches in year three). That's before you get to Knueppel and McNeeley who were drafted for their offense.

The Hornets need a center and defense all over the court (that's not Barrett ). The Raptors should just move Barrett to sixth man and let him feast on second units.

[Mavrelous]

Both teams should do this IMO.
Green is a rotation 3&D guard who knock down the open 3, RJ adds physocality and rim pressure to CHO.

[mg]

Nah the Hornets are good. They don't need anymore ball dominant guys coming in to take away opportunities from Miller or Knueppel. Developing those two high lottery picks is their main objective next season. They should have a really fun offensive team that plays hard but their lack of big men is going to kill them in terms of wins and losses.

FWIW Green is awful not to mention he's also injured to begin the season. He's definitely not a rotation player on a good team. Based on recent comments from the Hornet FO I think they are fine with their roster and won't be making any major acquisitions until next offseason. If all goes well I'm guessing they cash in their chips for a big man next year.

[Godaddycurse]

Both teams should do this IMO.
Green is a rotation 3&D guard who knock down the open 3, RJ adds physocality and rim pressure to CHO.

Nah we have enough 3/D prospects and need rjs rim pressure

[Godaddycurse]

Raptors are rumored to want to buy, not sell

[gswhoops]

Yeah I don't see the appeal here at all for Charlotte. Barrett is fool's gold and just clogs an already crowded wing rotation.

[HornetJail]

Yeah I don't see the appeal here at all for Charlotte. Barrett is fool's gold and just clogs an already crowded wing rotation.

I do agree with this, I don't think Barrett is anything, but I think we're giving up so little (read: nothing) that we don't even feel bad if he turns out to be nothing and we just let him walk in the 2027 offseason. All we're giving up here is $14M in cap next summer.

Right now, I think I would do this trade (if nothing materialized for a big man) and experiment with micro-ball all season, with scoring at pretty much every spot on the roster

If we're going to be bad by blowing a hole in the center rotation and not fixing it, might as well get creative doing it.

Rotation:
Melo/Mann
Sexton/Kon
Miller/Barrett/[more Kon]
Bridges/[more Miller or Barrett]
Moussa/[more Bridges/Grant Williams/some Kalkbrenner?]

At least everyone on that team can score except Moussa and could create some mismatches. And if Melo gets hurt for an extended period, there's still ample scoring on this team to stay afloat, unlike previous years where the entire offense would just die

[gswhoops]

Yeah I don't see the appeal here at all for Charlotte. Barrett is fool's gold and just clogs an already crowded wing rotation.

I do agree with this, I don't think Barrett is anything, but I think we're giving up so little (read: nothing) that we don't even feel bad if he turns out to be nothing and we just let him walk in the 2027 offseason. All we're giving up here is $14M in cap next summer.

Right now, I think I would do this trade (if nothing materialized for a big man) and experiment with micro-ball all season, with scoring at pretty much every spot on the roster

If we're going to be bad by blowing a hole in the center rotation and not fixing it, might as well get creative doing it.

Rotation:
Melo/Mann
Sexton/Kon
Miller/Barrett/[more Kon]
Bridges/[more Miller or Barrett]
Moussa/[more Bridges/Grant Williams/some Kalkbrenner?]

At least everyone on that team can score except Moussa and could create some mismatches. And if Melo gets hurt for an extended period, there's still ample scoring on this team to stay afloat, unlike previous years where the entire offense would just die

My biggest hesitation (aside from contract) is whether RJ would be ok coming off the bench

[HornetJail]

Yeah I don't see the appeal here at all for Charlotte. Barrett is fool's gold and just clogs an already crowded wing rotation.

I do agree with this, I don't think Barrett is anything, but I think we're giving up so little (read: nothing) that we don't even feel bad if he turns out to be nothing and we just let him walk in the 2027 offseason. All we're giving up here is $14M in cap next summer.

Right now, I think I would do this trade (if nothing materialized for a big man) and experiment with micro-ball all season, with scoring at pretty much every spot on the roster

If we're going to be bad by blowing a hole in the center rotation and not fixing it, might as well get creative doing it.

Rotation:
Melo/Mann
Sexton/Kon
Miller/Barrett/[more Kon]
Bridges/[more Miller or Barrett]
Moussa/[more Bridges/Grant Williams/some Kalkbrenner?]

At least everyone on that team can score except Moussa and could create some mismatches. And if Melo gets hurt for an extended period, there's still ample scoring on this team to stay afloat, unlike previous years where the entire offense would just die

My biggest hesitation (aside from contract) is whether RJ would be ok coming off the bench

he can start instead of Sexton if that's actually a problem

[Rich4114]

I would do this trade from Charlotte's perspective for two reasons:

1) It's a talent upgrade and adding talent to a team like Charlotte is a plus
2) For all of RJ's negatives, he does get to the line at a nice rate which is something Charlotte lacks and most definitely isn't getting out of Green/Pat

[Clav]

I don't think this trade actually makes sense for either team. JBK posted about it above -- Hornets just drafted players who need NBA seasoning, and with Miller/Bridges... Kalk/Sexton/Kon/Salaun/McNeely. He just clogs up the rotation and takes minutes - all these guys are gonna need a lot of PT. To put them all in the GL is just silly, this team needs them in the NBA getting reps not stashed away vs lesser comp.

Meanwhile, the Raps are gonna, what, eat that 9M of Connaughton's deal ? He's probably only useful for salary ballast but even still, Pat's play has not been great in the past two years - if it were, he'd still be on Milwaukee getting significant PT. Raptors should easily say no to trading the best player in the deal, and downgrading talent, and then have to go acquire talent on the market after deal is complete.

I also think Hornets should be targeting a C, because they have Diabate and a lot of questions to be answered at that position.

[GoBobs]

We are not ging up anything, so it is pretty much a question of, "do you think RJ is worth 60 mil over the next two years.

If he had a ft % of like 86%, I would say, "lets roll the dice"

With him currently shooting 63% from the charity stripe for the last 2 years... The answer is no.