Hawks yet to extend 4/229 extension offer to Trae Young

[BK_2020]

Trae is the poster boy for the escalators language on designated rookie extentiom being too generous, single 3rd team all NBA shoildn't be enough for 30% max, 26% is good enougj, it also solves the Haliburton dilemma from last year.

The Hawks didn't have to offer him a 30% max. They didn't even have to offer 25%. They could've gone all the way down to the minimum or not offer a contract at all.

[gswhoops]

Trae is the poster boy for the escalators language on designated rookie extentiom being too generous, single 3rd team all NBA shoildn't be enough for 30% max, 26% is good enougj, it also solves the Haliburton dilemma from last year.

The Hawks didn't have to offer him a 30% max. They didn't even have to offer 25%. They could've gone all the way down to the minimum or not offer a contract at all.

I mean this is true but it certainly makes the negotiation process easier for Atlanta if they can say "welp the rules say we can only offer you 25%"

[Mavrelous]

Trae is the poster boy for the escalators language on designated rookie extentiom being too generous, single 3rd team all NBA shoildn't be enough for 30% max, 26% is good enougj, it also solves the Haliburton dilemma from last year.

The Hawks didn't have to offer him a 30% max. They didn't even have to offer 25%. They could've gone all the way down to the minimum or not offer a contract at all.

They didn't, but it's better if players that shouldn't be able to get X, aren't able to.

[BK_2020]

Trae is the poster boy for the escalators language on designated rookie extentiom being too generous, single 3rd team all NBA shoildn't be enough for 30% max, 26% is good enougj, it also solves the Haliburton dilemma from last year.

The Hawks didn't have to offer him a 30% max. They didn't even have to offer 25%. They could've gone all the way down to the minimum or not offer a contract at all.

They didn't, but it's better if players that shouldn't be able to get X, aren't able to.

If only NBA front offices had extremely highly paid individuals whose job it is to correctly assess players' values and negotiate with them.

[Mavrelous]

The Hawks didn't have to offer him a 30% max. They didn't even have to offer 25%. They could've gone all the way down to the minimum or not offer a contract at all.

They didn't, but it's better if players that shouldn't be able to get X, aren't able to.

If only NBA front offices had extremely highly paid individuals whose job it is to correctly assess players' values and negotiate with them.

Yep, we can do away with the entire CBA, just let agents and FO agree on contracts together.

[jayjaysee]

If Trae only qualified for 26%, he’s probably locked up and both sides are happy and Atlanta feels affordable with OO/Jalen/Zac’s smaller contracts. But he’s going to bet on Brooklyn/Utah giving him a contract he doesn’t deserve due to their situation and then maybe Atlanta ups it out of desperation to keep him vs losing him for nothing..

It’s an avoidable circle if the league added tiers to the max contracts. But think as long as owners keep overpaying, there won’t be escalators.

[SkyHook]

If Trae only qualified for 26%, he’s probably locked up and both sides are happy and Atlanta feels affordable with OO/Jalen/Zac’s smaller contracts. But he’s going to bet on Brooklyn/Utah giving him a contract he doesn’t deserve due to their situation and then maybe Atlanta ups it out of desperation to keep him vs losing him for nothing..

It’s an avoidable circle if the league added tiers to the max contracts. But think as long as owners keep overpaying, there won’t be escalators.

I think it's almost guaranteed that someone gives him a contract well beyond his value next summer. I'm hoping it's not Utah... that's nightmare fuel for me right now. It would be pouring gasoline on the current dumpster fire.

[Ball4life32]

I’d be shocked if hawks let Trae enter FA and potentially lose for him for nothing as he enters his prime …and he does have a 49M PO next year, so it’s not like he’s for sure gone next year. I just need hawks to stay healthy around him…too many injuries the past few years. I do need Trae to get back to his level that he was at a cpl years ago though….key is not starting the year slow like he has recently.

[tmorgan]

I’d be shocked if hawks let Trae enter FA and potentially lose for him for nothing as he enters his prime …and he does have a 49M PO next year, so it’s not like he’s for sure gone next year. I just need hawks to stay healthy around him…too many injuries the past few years. I do need Trae to get back to his level that he was at a cpl years ago though….key is not starting the year slow like he has recently.

The key is him not taking difficult shots just because he can create them. He has as many or more offensive targets to pass to as he’s ever had. He’s a brilliant passer and very good at drawing fouls. He’s not a great shooter, though, and he often behaves as if he is.

The best Trae is about 20 & 12 on maybe 14 fga/game. Shoot a little less, cut down the turnovers just a little, create off the drive and take only open threes. Last year’s passing with his 21-22 shooting (on fewer attempts) and turnovers is an All-NBA guy even with his weak defense.

[Threezus]

I’d be shocked if hawks let Trae enter FA and potentially lose for him for nothing as he enters his prime …and he does have a 49M PO next year, so it’s not like he’s for sure gone next year. I just need hawks to stay healthy around him…too many injuries the past few years. I do need Trae to get back to his level that he was at a cpl years ago though….key is not starting the year slow like he has recently.

The key is him not taking difficult shots just because he can create them. He has as many or more offensive targets to pass to as he’s ever had. He’s a brilliant passer and very good at drawing fouls. He’s not a great shooter, though, and he often behaves as if he is.

The best Trae is about 20 & 12 on maybe 14 fga/game. Shoot a little less, cut down the turnovers just a little, create off the drive and take only open threes. Last year’s passing with his 21-22 shooting (on fewer attempts) and turnovers is an All-NBA guy even with his weak defense.

Even the defense has improved quite a bit which was a nice thing to see. Compared to when he 1st came into the league and the 1st 3 years or so where it was literally god awful. The last 2 years under Quinn Trae has improved tremendously on defense. He gets into passing lanes a ton and is very active moving on defense and even diving for loose balls a good bit. I won't ever say he is good at defense because i don't think he is or will ever be. But their are many more nights now where he is atleast neutral to slightly above neutral. Which for him im more than willing to accept as long as his offense stays strong. That to me might be the most impressive thing Quinn has done on this team since he has been here lol.

[Wolveswin]

Trae for Suggs+

Who says no?

[raleigh]

The last 2 years under Quinn Trae has improved tremendously on defense.

This is the kind of thing that Hawks fans too often talk themselves into.

What changed under Snyder is that Trae learned to try on defense by communicating better and gambling some in passing lanes.

He had a stretch of ~6 weeks last year where the extra effort was noticeable, but that stretch was also one of his worst offensively. He just cannot sustain both at the same time. His second-half defense in the play-in games was painful to watch.

His defense is what it is: bottom 5th percentile or worse. He doesn't have the strength, length, stamina, mentality, or instincts to change that.

The best Trae is about 20 & 12 on maybe 14 fga/game. Shoot a little less, cut down the turnovers just a little, create off the drive and take only open threes.

Unfortunately, that version of Trae isn't enough of a difference-maker. He's not always efficient when he's high usage but he's only effective when he's high usage. You have to take the lows in order to get the highs.

The Hawks have seemingly acknowledged this reality by trying to build a roster that maximizes Trae in a high-usage role.

Trae for Suggs+

Who says no?

The team that has a Suggs-like player already in Dyson Daniels. But I'm curious...Is Wagner for Trae+++ an absurd proposition?

[Wolveswin]

Trae for Suggs+

Who says no?

The team that has a Suggs-like player already in Dyson Daniels. But I'm curious...Is Wagner for Trae+++ an absurd proposition?

Wagner/Suggs

FOR

JJ/Trae

I mean some really balanced rosters:

WCJ
Banchero
Johnson
Bane
Trae

KP
Wagner
Risacher
Suggs
Daniels

[CP War Hawks]

The last 2 years under Quinn Trae has improved tremendously on defense.

This is the kind of thing that Hawks fans too often talk themselves into.

What changed under Snyder is that Trae learned to try on defense by communicating better and gambling some in passing lanes.

He had a stretch of ~6 weeks last year where the extra effort was noticeable, but that stretch was also one of his worst offensively. He just cannot sustain both at the same time. His second-half defense in the play-in games was painful to watch.

His defense is what it is: bottom 5th percentile or worse. He doesn't have the strength, length, stamina, mentality, or instincts to change that.

He moves better laterally especially when motivated to take on charges. He obviously doesn't like physicality but his effort moving side to side is a huge improvement.

As to an extension, I mean I'd do a wait and see approach. Worst case is you give him a deal over market rate if he plays at an all NBA level.

[Texas Chuck]

all you need to know about Trae and defense is the team has never been better than 19th in the league defensively since he got there, and most years they have been a bottom 5 defense.

Its not about is he a good defender. Most of our offensive stars aren't good defenders. Nuggets were bad defensively last year, but before that they've been league average or better with Jokic playing the most important defensive position(and Murray another weak defender). Dallas went to the Finals with Luka on the strength of their defense not offense.

You can have a poor defender as long as there is still a way to build a competent defense with them in the lineup. Maybe you can do that with Trae with elite defenders everywhere else, but as of yet, the Hawks haven't remotely managed it.

Now he's really good offensively even with poor shot selection that has lasted too many years. But he's a ceiling capper and the Hawks have to have seen enough to realize that. I don't blame them one bit for not rushing to extend him. And I'd have zero issues letting him test free agency and if another team wants to max him out, letting him just move along.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Trae for Suggs+

Who says no?

Orlando and quite swiftly.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Trae for Suggs+

Who says no?

The team that has a Suggs-like player already in Dyson Daniels. But I'm curious...Is Wagner for Trae+++ an absurd proposition?

Yes. Paolo will be dealt before Franz if I’m putting money on it.

[Magic_Johnny12]

The team that has a Suggs-like player already in Dyson Daniels. But I'm curious...Is Wagner for Trae+++ an absurd proposition?

Wagner/Suggs

FOR

JJ/Trae

I mean some really balanced rosters:

WCJ
Banchero
Johnson
Bane
Trae

KP
Wagner
Risacher
Suggs
Daniels

These are not balanced rosters, just because you plug players into different positions to fit a narrative doesn’t make them balanced or advantageous.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

The team that has a Suggs-like player already in Dyson Daniels. But I'm curious...Is Wagner for Trae+++ an absurd proposition?

Wagner/Suggs

FOR

JJ/Trae

I mean some really balanced rosters:

WCJ
Banchero
Johnson
Bane
Trae

KP
Wagner
Risacher
Suggs
Daniels

No as the Hawks. Trading the two best assets in the trade, but I'm one of the few that thinks Franz is overrated in NBA talks