Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[Wizardspride]

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[daoneandonly]

point of reference - on Sat Aug 23rd, I wrote -

Ironic how the same folk who preach moral values
often seem to have a preference for the person
with the most documented finding of failure in
values ie most criminal convictions, most findings
of civil liability and most payments in settlements
from civil lawsuits in our nation's history. All that
with the biggest and worst scandal to be fully teased
out. Of course all those things must be fake news
made up by TDS sufferers.

about an hour later

Daoneandonly --

how do you respond to dobrojim?

hey PiF
Thank you for asking the question.
So far at least, the answer is abject silence.

So we can only guess at the reasons. Rather than guess, I would merely suggest the answer
is perhaps so transparent that even the author, as hard as he might try, might himself find them somewhere on the spectrum
between meritless and patently false. And better not to answer in order to maintain some notion of self respect.

Do you agree that Donald Trump is an evil human being? Based on evidence easily available to any who care to look at it?

From where I sit, even though he/tRump only speaks (or orders his minions) to violence in what many believe is an effort to construct a
thin patina to rationalize and to dodge legal responsibility, the effects of his multiple acts of criminal fraud are as harmful to the well
being of untold hundreds/thousands or more (the exact number is large and impossible to determine) as are the victims of the kind
of criminal violence Da1 has sadly described being a victim of himself. tRump doesn't have the courage to do these things himself so
he gets his lawyers and employees to do them for him. Just like his mob boss heroes.

&, when it becomes clear that he was one of Epstein's recipients? Will that do? Will you then call him out as the evil man he is?

Would anyone be surprised if his supporter's rationalizations for the acts implied by his association with the dead pedophile
Epstein weren't already partially if not fully constructed? Of course the cult members have long since forgotten I just grab them
by the pu$$y.

Respectfully, please answer these questions.

Actually the reason is I dont need to constantly respond to the name calling and vitriol the vast majority on this board spew out. I'd rather have a discussion as much as we'll disagree with rare folks like CCJ who doesnt need to sling insults because we're on opposite sides of an issue

I never said Trump is some praise worthy hero. I'm not MAGA, whatever that even means or the liberal media made it out to be. If there's a politician who I would have attached myself to in terms of political acumen and stances, it would be former Speaker Paul Ryan.

Trump is void of many moral values, but exactly who on the left isnt? Bill Clinton? Do we even need to list his countless transgressions? DC idol Marion Barry? People talk so much about fathers here, right? We know what type of father Joe Biden is, just look at Hunter. Corrupt, drugs, hooked up with his late brother's wife, then divorced her. But I guess Trump is the only one breaking the liberal moral value code.

And yea I'll say it as well, go ahead and release the Epstein files. If Trump is on it and he ever brought harm to a minor, impeach him, and give the nation president J.D. Vance. First Lady Usha sounds awesome to me as well.

[daoneandonly]

I grew up in a country far more dangerous than DC, and never had half what you claim happen to me or any extended family. Statistics and probability say you're full of ****. Either that or you're a gang member or you have the lousiest situational awareness, or both.

Oh no, some liberal whacko thinks I make up violent atrocities for what? There's no reasoning with you guys who think every one should make the same salary and hold hands singing kumbaya. Im not making up anything, I see everyday the scar on my family member's head from the pistol whip. You're full of crap, you never experienced the victim side of crime because you yourself were the one doing it. Most of what I said happened to loved ones; working to support your fam or waiting for public transportation isnt having a lack of situational awareness, nor is waiting at a red light when commuting to/and from work. I suppose I should just run the red light at sketchy DC intersections, there's a viable solution.

Take the skit somewhere else. You're not changing any minds here with your dribble so why are you still here?

You are right though. I would totally pistol whip you. I just know you have a very pistol whippable face.

Because its the least you could do since I carry you in life with how much I pay in taxes vs the droppings that you do. Put up with it and sit back while others pay your way.

And bring it on

[daoneandonly]

I lived in Anacostia for nine years, got my house broken into once, a teenager was shot to death on my block as a gang initiation rite, and I had stuff regularly stolen off my porch. What did I learn from that? Anacostia SUCKS. I lived in Eckington and Wheaton for extended periods and nothing like that ever happened there. The whole city is a funnel that rich people kick poor people into and Anacostia is where they end up. That says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about DC as a whole. Every FRICKING city in the US is EXACTLY LIKE THIS. All the poor people get herded into one super poor area where all the crime happens and if you can't afford to live anywhere else, you experience a lot of crime. That describes ALL OF AMERICA right now.

The overall violent crime rate is at an all time low right now. You lived in a crap neighborhood and experienced a lot of crime. Your sample is non representative of the overall trend. It is biased by the way late stage capitalism criminalizes poverty. You are going to die ten years early from unnecessary hate. Fix your mind.

You also need to learn statistics. Poor people are MORE LIKELY to commit violent crimes. Being a low life degenerate has nothing to do with anything. Rich low life degenerates don't commit violent crimes, they run for president

That's just it. I didn't live (nor did my family) in DC ever, and by God's grace, I never will or will never go back. This was broad daylight going to work (or college) when all these things happened. So it's not like we were up to no good at night. We were just doing something most Democrats hate, working without expecting someone else to cover my expenses.

Once again poverty in America is nothing compared to that in other countries. There are villages in my native India with slums that make Anacostia look like Potomac MD, yet those slums aren't leaps and bounds more violent than other parts of India, because being poor doesn't give you an excuse to be a libertine, interesting how the root of that word is so similar to another many here identify with?

Hold on a second, isn't this you???

"You must have missed the part where I said I spent 9 years in DC."

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT LIVE IN DC and if you have dementia get help immediately

If you don't have dementia would you PLEASE STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH YOUR CRAZY ISH

I'm not sure why you are confused. I said I went to college and worked in DC for a combined 9 years. And no, I didn't live in the dorms while I matriculated; I commuted. I know you all on this board just want everyone to agree with your liberal, government stays out of issues when it comes to holding people accountable, but are totally hands on when it comes to freebies at the higher earning brackets' expense, but I'm going to chime in as I feel fit.

If the tax system gets flattened and it's more even across the board, or if we wipe out the right to kill your child, then I'll take the W and never come back.

[AFM]

LOL. That’s the most embarrassing sht conservatives say. “OK, release the files, and if Trump’s on there, THEN I’ll admit it.” Knowing full well Trump isn’t going to release evidence that says “why, yes, I am a pedophile”.
How about you read between the lines. He’s basically admitted to being in there by saying the list is a Democrat hoax, written by Obama and Comey and Hillary to take him down. Or did Obama forget to put Trumps name in there when he was writing the list

[daoneandonly]

LOL. That’s the most embarrassing sht conservatives say. “OK, release the files, and if Trump’s on there, THEN I’ll admit it.” Knowing full well Trump isn’t going to release evidence that says “why, yes, I am a pedophile”.
How about you read between the lines. He’s basically admitted to being in there by saying the list is a Democrat hoax, written by Obama and Comey and Hillary to take him down. Or did Obama forget to put Trumps name in there when he was writing the list

And I didn't say THEN I'll admit it; I said have it released. Don't things get leaked all the time? Leak it, make it public. Anything that brings harm to a child should be made public, list of pedophiles and people who have had elective abortions. They are a vile danger to society.

I'll say it again, President JD Vance and First lady Usha, I'll sign off on it today.

And you know Clinton is on there, but most Dems dont even bring that up.

[daoneandonly]

Trump is trying to take on Wes Moore in a battle of wits - and showing he is unarmed.

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The Wes Moore who inherited a massive budget surplus and sank it to the ground into a huge deficit? Its more of a battle of two tanking teams trying to get the first pick in the NBA draft.

[Fairview4Life]

Sad trolling. Just going through the motions. Weak.

[AFM]

LOL. That’s the most embarrassing sht conservatives say. “OK, release the files, and if Trump’s on there, THEN I’ll admit it.” Knowing full well Trump isn’t going to release evidence that says “why, yes, I am a pedophile”.
How about you read between the lines. He’s basically admitted to being in there by saying the list is a Democrat hoax, written by Obama and Comey and Hillary to take him down. Or did Obama forget to put Trumps name in there when he was writing the list

And I didn't say THEN I'll admit it; I said have it released. Don't things get leaked all the time? Leak it, make it public. Anything that brings harm to a child should be made public, list of pedophiles and people who have had elective abortions. They are a vile danger to society.

I'll say it again, President JD Vance and First lady Usha, I'll sign off on it today.

And you know Clinton is on there, but most Dems dont even bring that up.

People have brought it up countless times. Bill Gates. Prince Andrew. A LOT of powerful and famous people. Maybe it’s shocking to you that people are less concerned about people who aren’t currently the president of the United States vs the guy who currently is. What a strange whataboutism.

[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

point of reference - on Sat Aug 23rd, I wrote -

Ironic how the same folk who preach moral values
often seem to have a preference for the person
with the most documented finding of failure in
values ie most criminal convictions, most findings
of civil liability and most payments in settlements
from civil lawsuits in our nation's history. All that
with the biggest and worst scandal to be fully teased
out. Of course all those things must be fake news
made up by TDS sufferers.

about an hour later

Daoneandonly --

how do you respond to dobrojim?

hey PiF
Thank you for asking the question.
So far at least, the answer is abject silence.

So we can only guess at the reasons. Rather than guess, I would merely suggest the answer
is perhaps so transparent that even the author, as hard as he might try, might himself find them somewhere on the spectrum
between meritless and patently false. And better not to answer in order to maintain some notion of self respect.

Do you agree that Donald Trump is an evil human being? Based on evidence easily available to any who care to look at it?

From where I sit, even though he/tRump only speaks (or orders his minions) to violence in what many believe is an effort to construct a
thin patina to rationalize and to dodge legal responsibility, the effects of his multiple acts of criminal fraud are as harmful to the well
being of untold hundreds/thousands or more (the exact number is large and impossible to determine) as are the victims of the kind
of criminal violence Da1 has sadly described being a victim of himself. tRump doesn't have the courage to do these things himself so
he gets his lawyers and employees to do them for him. Just like his mob boss heroes.

&, when it becomes clear that he was one of Epstein's recipients? Will that do? Will you then call him out as the evil man he is?

Would anyone be surprised if his supporter's rationalizations for the acts implied by his association with the dead pedophile
Epstein weren't already partially if not fully constructed? Of course the cult members have long since forgotten I just grab them
by the pu$$y.

Respectfully, please answer these questions.

Actually the reason is I dont need to constantly respond to the name calling and vitriol the vast majority on this board spew out. I'd rather have a discussion as much as we'll disagree with rare folks like CCJ who doesnt need to sling insults because we're on opposite sides of an issue

I never said Trump is some praise worthy hero. I'm not MAGA, whatever that even means or the liberal media made it out to be. If there's a politician who I would have attached myself to in terms of political acumen and stances, it would be former Speaker Paul Ryan.

Trump is void of many moral values, but exactly who on the left isnt? Bill Clinton? Do we even need to list his countless transgressions? DC idol Marion Barry? People talk so much about fathers here, right? We know what type of father Joe Biden is, just look at Hunter. Corrupt, drugs, hooked up with his late brother's wife, then divorced her. But I guess Trump is the only one breaking the liberal moral value code.

And yea I'll say it as well, go ahead and release the Epstein files. If Trump is on it and he ever brought harm to a minor, impeach him, and give the nation president J.D. Vance. First Lady Usha sounds awesome to me as well.

I started by describing the known history of candidate tRump. I didn't make anything up, and made observations that are
objectively true. If you want to describe it as vitriolic, that is your subjective description.

(CCJ is a good and decent man)

You say you are not MAGA but immediately follow that by saying you don't know what that is.

Paul Ryan lied repeatedly about himself (how many 14k footers he climbed) and he lied, scratch that, let's
say he misrepresented what the likely impact of the policies he advocated for (and that he advocated against)
and about the likely impact of the policies he was promoting. Like most Republicans, he believed in trickle down
economics... claiming, without evidence, that making rich people richer would benefit everyone. This has not be shown
to be true.

tRump cleverly used irrelevancies and generalities and actually knows very little of what he speaks.
But it sounds convincing to the person on the street. But it typically had little to do with the specific
policies of the person he was running against.

The original statements I made were fairly specific, that tRump was unprecedented in terms of negative
things that had by determined in a court of law. That was true in 2016 and it is more true now. This is a
knowable fact. It is not a moral equivalency.

Please cite references regarding what kind of father Joe Biden is. I'm not suggesting he is perfect by
any means but we are contrasting him to unvarnished evil.

quote - Trump is void of many moral values,

Your fingers may have slipped and put an M in front of any. Or please tell us what moral values he
does exemplify.

I'm going to put in a lengthy quote now from a book (On the Brink of Everything) by Parker Palmer.
I hope you read it and find something in it you like

Does anger have a roll to play in the life of someone who aspires to nonviolence? For better or for worse, it's a
reality in mine. Exhibit A is the anger I feel toward our forty-fifty president, who, among other character defects
to numerous to name here, lies with abandon. The man has an astonishing gift for denying having said
things that was captured on videotape--- and when the tape is played back, calling it "fake news."
As one journalist has said, lying has become the defining feature of his presidency (my note, this was early
in his first term)

To add insult to injury, he tells weaponized lies that can harm and even kill people. Those at risk include
immigrant parents and children who now must worry about keeping their families intact; Muslims, Jews,
people of color and LGBTQ folks who find themselves in the crosshairs once again; people whose longtime
jobs in coal mines and factories will not be resurrected; and democracy itself, which dies when we cannot
trust our leaders or each other.

So, yes, I am one angry Quaker when it comes to this president and his people, who keep insisting that the
emperor has new clothes, then blame and ban journalists for not telling the world how good he looks in them.

Occasionally I am taken to task by people who regard anger as a spiritual flaw to be eliminated.
But I beg to differ:

* When something is morally wrong, so is ignoring it in homage to the Gospel of Nice. I I weren't angry about
the lies so brazenly scattered about by this administration, and the cruelties they encourage, I'd fear that I
am as unprincipled as they are.

* I'm all for forgiveness as an antidote for anger, and I believe Ann Lamott's line that "not forgiving is like drinking
rat poison and waiting for the rat to die." But forgiveness, I've discovered, is not always mine to give,
especially in relation to people who have long histories of malicious acts and see no need to to seek forgiveness.
Sometimes I have to pass the forgiveness baton to higher powers, as Iris DeMent does in her tragicomic
country and western song: "God may forgive you, but I won't. Jesus may love you but I don't".

* I know that anger has the potential to harm the person who's angry, and others in his or her orbit.
But I also know that anger buried under a pious cover poses more threats to my well-being -- and that
of those around me -- than anger expressed non-violently. Repressed anger is dangerous, a weapon we
aim at ourselves and sooner or later injures others. But anger harnessed as energy that animates social
action on behalf of new life for all is redemptive.

[daoneandonly]

Sad trolling. Just going through the motions. Weak.

Oh is this the Canadian everybody should earn the same salary, hold hands and sing kumbaya socialist response? Yea take it back to the wanna be 51st state

[daoneandonly]

point of reference - on Sat Aug 23rd, I wrote -



about an hour later



hey PiF
Thank you for asking the question.
So far at least, the answer is abject silence.

So we can only guess at the reasons. Rather than guess, I would merely suggest the answer
is perhaps so transparent that even the author, as hard as he might try, might himself find them somewhere on the spectrum
between meritless and patently false. And better not to answer in order to maintain some notion of self respect.



From where I sit, even though he/tRump only speaks (or orders his minions) to violence in what many believe is an effort to construct a
thin patina to rationalize and to dodge legal responsibility, the effects of his multiple acts of criminal fraud are as harmful to the well
being of untold hundreds/thousands or more (the exact number is large and impossible to determine) as are the victims of the kind
of criminal violence Da1 has sadly described being a victim of himself. tRump doesn't have the courage to do these things himself so
he gets his lawyers and employees to do them for him. Just like his mob boss heroes.




Would anyone be surprised if his supporter's rationalizations for the acts implied by his association with the dead pedophile
Epstein weren't already partially if not fully constructed? Of course the cult members have long since forgotten I just grab them
by the pu$$y.

Actually the reason is I dont need to constantly respond to the name calling and vitriol the vast majority on this board spew out. I'd rather have a discussion as much as we'll disagree with rare folks like CCJ who doesnt need to sling insults because we're on opposite sides of an issue

I never said Trump is some praise worthy hero. I'm not MAGA, whatever that even means or the liberal media made it out to be. If there's a politician who I would have attached myself to in terms of political acumen and stances, it would be former Speaker Paul Ryan.

Trump is void of many moral values, but exactly who on the left isnt? Bill Clinton? Do we even need to list his countless transgressions? DC idol Marion Barry? People talk so much about fathers here, right? We know what type of father Joe Biden is, just look at Hunter. Corrupt, drugs, hooked up with his late brother's wife, then divorced her. But I guess Trump is the only one breaking the liberal moral value code.

And yea I'll say it as well, go ahead and release the Epstein files. If Trump is on it and he ever brought harm to a minor, impeach him, and give the nation president J.D. Vance. First Lady Usha sounds awesome to me as well.

I started by describing the known history of candidate tRump. I didn't make anything up, and made observations that are
objectively true. If you want to describe it as vitriolic, that is your subjective description.

(CCJ is a good and decent man)

You say you are not MAGA but immediately follow that by saying you don't know what that is.

Paul Ryan lied repeatedly about himself (how many 14k footers he climbed) and he lied, scratch that, let's
say he misrepresented what the likely impact of the policies he advocated for (and that he advocated against)
and about the likely impact of the policies he was promoting. Like most Republicans, he believed in trickle down
economics... claiming, without evidence, that making rich people richer would benefit everyone. This has not be shown
to be true.

tRump cleverly used irrelevancies and generalities and actually knows very little of what he speaks.
But it sounds convincing to the person on the street. But it typically had little to do with the specific
policies of the person he was running against.

The original statements I made were fairly specific, that tRump was unprecedented in terms of negative
things that had by determined in a court of law. That was true in 2016 and it is more true now. This is a
knowable fact. It is not a moral equivalency.

Please cite references regarding what kind of father Joe Biden is. I'm not suggesting he is perfect by
any means but we are contrasting him to unvarnished evil.

quote - Trump is void of many moral values,

Your fingers may have slipped and put an M in front of any. Or please tell us what moral values he
does exemplify.

I'm going to put in a lengthy quote now from a book (On the Brink of Everything) by Parker Palmer.
I hope you read it and find something in it you like

Does anger have a roll to play in the life of someone who aspires to nonviolence? For better or for worse, it's a
reality in mine. Exhibit A is the anger I feel toward our forty-fifty president, who, among other character defects
to numerous to name here, lies with abandon. The man has an astonishing gift for denying having said
things that was captured on videotape--- and when the tape is played back, calling it "fake news."
As one journalist has said, lying has become the defining feature of his presidency (my note, this was early
in his first term)

To add insult to injury, he tells weaponized lies that can harm and even kill people. Those at risk include
immigrant parents and children who now must worry about keeping their families intact; Muslims, Jews,
people of color and LGBTQ folks who find themselves in the crosshairs once again; people whose longtime
jobs in coal mines and factories will not be resurrected; and democracy itself, which dies when we cannot
trust our leaders or each other.

So, yes, I am one angry Quaker when it comes to this president and his people, who keep insisting that the
emperor has new clothes, then blame and ban journalists for not telling the world how good he looks in them.

Occasionally I am taken to task by people who regard anger as a spiritual flaw to be eliminated.
But I beg to differ:

* When something is morally wrong, so is ignoring it in homage to the Gospel of Nice. I I weren't angry about
the lies so brazenly scattered about by this administration, and the cruelties they encourage, I'd fear that I
am as unprincipled as they are.

* I'm all for forgiveness as an antidote for anger, and I believe Ann Lamott's line that "not forgiving is like drinking
rat poison and waiting for the rat to die." But forgiveness, I've discovered, is not always mine to give,
especially in relation to people who have long histories of malicious acts and see no need to to seek forgiveness.
Sometimes I have to pass the forgiveness baton to higher powers, as Iris DeMent does in her tragicomic
country and western song: "God may forgive you, but I won't. Jesus may love you but I don't".

* I know that anger has the potential to harm the person who's angry, and others in his or her orbit.
But I also know that anger buried under a pious cover poses more threats to my well-being -- and that
of those around me -- than anger expressed non-violently. Repressed anger is dangerous, a weapon we
aim at ourselves and sooner or later injures others. But anger harnessed as energy that animates social
action on behalf of new life for all is redemptive.

Cite references on Joe Biden's offspring Hunter Biden? You're seriously going to pretend like there's not a mountain top of evidence showing he's a derelict?

What moral value? How about he's pro-life and appointed such judges to the SCOTUS? That alone puts him at the top of any moral high ground compared to anyone who legislates the cold-blooded murder of a child. Worst of which being the false prophet Rafael Warnock.

[Fairview4Life]

Sad trolling. Just going through the motions. Weak.

Oh is this the Canadian everybody should earn the same salary, hold hands and sing kumbaya socialist response? Yea take it back to the wanna be 51st state

That's it? Sad.

[dobrojim]

Abortion or being pro life is your sole criteria

How convenient for you to ignore that

GUN VIOLENCE IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH OF
CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY.

I'm talking about living breathing kids with friends
and parents they live and play with.

The conservatives on SCOTUS made up this idea
that if POTUS can make the most implausible
argument that he is "doing his job" he essentially
has complete immunity from criminal laws.

They also believe Corporations are people.

And gerrymandering is democratic.

That's just for starters.

And tRump is the most pro crime POTUS in our
country's history. There's not a close 2nd. He's lapped
the field.

[daoneandonly]

It's not the sole criterion, but it's hands down #1. We're talking about a child having zero say, not even a chance at life. You know, the whole ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness this country holds to its core—life is first on the list.

You must have a different interpretation of pro-crime, and that's fine, we can agree to disagree. To me, being soft on crime is the equivalent of being pro-crime. We have posters on here who think criminals shouldn't be taken away from their families except in extreme cases. That's absurd; that's an invitation for criminals to carry on. Carjackers/armed robbers should be guaranteed 30 years in prison; that's justice, whether you are 44, 31, or 16.

Murderers and rapists, life in prison, parole is not even in sight.

I don't support the gerrymandering, which dont act like Cali isnt doing either. Nor do I support packing the SCOTUS like the left threatened, but that one is ok, I suppose, since it would help far-left agendas get pushed.

[dobrojim]

There are people who agree with you, even a single cell fertilized embryo is a 'child'. But a $hit-ton, and in fact,
the majority of our country who don't agree with that. Please recognize that giving a fetus the moral status
of a living breathing person is a personal religious belief. We have freedom of religion so it's okay
for you to personally believe that. It's also true that many people practice a wide diversity of beliefs and
do not believe that a fetus is a person. They also have freedom FROM (your) religion. You're
not entitled to impose your minority belief on everyone else, no matter how fervently you
may wish you could. That is the essence of what the majority would argue is the absolute worst
kind of tyranny.

[daoneandonly]

You asked about what moral trait I believe Trump has. I answered, I believe abortion to be a moral issue, just as many others have been pointed out here, where Trump is indeed on the wrong side.

[dobrojim]

It's not the sole criterion, but it's hands down #1. We're talking about a child having zero say, not even a chance at life. You know, the whole ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness this country holds to its core—life is first on the list.

You must have a different interpretation of pro-crime, and that's fine, we can agree to disagree. To me, being soft on crime is the equivalent of being pro-crime. We have posters on here who think criminals shouldn't be taken away from their families except in extreme cases. That's absurd; that's an invitation for criminals to carry on. Carjackers/armed robbers should be guaranteed 30 years in prison; that's justice, whether you are 44, 31, or 16.

Murderers and rapists, life in prison, parole is not even in sight.

I don't support the gerrymandering, which dont act like Cali isnt doing either. Nor do I support packing the SCOTUS like the left threatened, but that one is ok, I suppose, since it would help far-left agendas get pushed.

I'll re-post this. tRump is the most pro-crime POTUS in our nation's history.

If you can listen to this partial list of criminals tRUmp has pardoned and not be appalled....no words.
Just complete hypocrisy.

Watch on YouTube

[daoneandonly]

MSNBC is the most biased network in America, so if you post a similar story from a more neutral network like News Nation, I'll gladly watch and express my thoughts. But not using my computer to click on Rachel Maddow and Morning Joe's spew venue.