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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1221 » by doclinkin » Fri Aug 29, 2025 1:37 pm

popper wrote:It's a quandary alright. But how can you observe/think it's a Republican only quandary. This is the human condition and has been throughout history. We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.


This is the standard playbook for those trying to dodge responsibility. “Everybody does it”.

No this is a unique moment in American history. Not everybody foments rebellion on Jan 6. Pardons those who attacked capitol police. Re writes the maps mid term when polls show they are losing. Negates the constitution by reappropriating funds designated for programs voted on by the representatives of the people, diverting them instead to a private army that violates due process, illegal search and seizure laws etc. Not everybody directs the National Guard into states against the will of the governors of those states. Not everyone steals government documents and hides them in their bathroom then lies about it and directs employees to move them to dodge the search warrant. Not everyone suppresses the files that reveals their friendship with billionaire pedophiles. Not everyone has 30+ felonies hanging over their heads.

There are uncountable violations of our Constitution, law and the common values under which this country was founded. We have a president who’d rather be king and not subject to checks and balances. And the only way he can dodge consequences of his violations is to retain power. So he doubles down on those violations. Those who are following his directives understand they are contravening the rule of law, not just publicly but to your whistleblower point: especially behind the scenes, so they can either make a squeak about it and become an enemy of the president. Or. They can double down on his attempt to seize power to prevent that pendulum from swinging back. Like ‘too late to have a conscience now’. Knowing it’s wrong.

The rest is just moral cowardice and grasping for every ‘yeah but’ excuse to avoid self reflection or personal responsibility. Frankly it’s shameful. Like makes me ashamed on behalf of those who lack it. The fact that we as a country have let them get away with it.

You don’t let little kids behave this way. Yes I pushed her down the stairs but but but that other boy is bad too because he took an extra juice box.

No. Wrong is wrong. No matter that you allow it out of fear of personal consequences. Or that you can finger point to lesser offenses elsewhere. Or that you imagine somebody else might do it so you might as well do it yourself. Do unto others as you fear they might do unto you.

Understand in the grand scheme of things we all are ultimately seen weighed and measured. It’s a closed system. You can ask people to bear the consequences of your actions or inactions but eventually when you filter out of this existence and are recycled into the soup of cosmic stuff you will be able to look at the sum total of your life and realize that you stole happiness from the more deserving or more needful because you were selfish, scared, and small in your heart. You missed the chance to make the world better. Allowed more hurt to happen. And for what. Well he did it too. Or at least I’m not as bad as. No. That’s not what matters.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1222 » by AFM » Fri Aug 29, 2025 2:02 pm

You said it doc
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1223 » by popper » Fri Aug 29, 2025 3:40 pm

doclinkin wrote:
popper wrote:It's a quandary alright. But how can you observe/think it's a Republican only quandary. This is the human condition and has been throughout history. We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.


This is the standard playbook for those trying to dodge responsibility. “Everybody does it”.

No this is a unique moment in American history. Not everybody foments rebellion on Jan 6. Pardons those who attacked capitol police. Re writes the maps mid term when polls show they are losing. Negates the constitution by reappropriating funds designated for programs voted on by the representatives of the people, diverting them instead to a private army that violates due process, illegal search and seizure laws etc. Not everybody directs the National Guard into states against the will of the governors of those states. Not everyone steals government documents and hides them in their bathroom then lies about it and directs employees to move them to dodge the search warrant. Not everyone suppresses the files that reveals their friendship with billionaire pedophiles. Not everyone has 30+ felonies hanging over their heads.

There are uncountable violations of our Constitution, law and the common values under which this country was founded. We have a president who’d rather be king and not subject to checks and balances. And the only way he can dodge consequences of his violations is to retain power. So he doubles down on those violations. Those who are following his directives understand they are contravening the rule of law, not just publicly but to your whistleblower point: especially behind the scenes, so they can either make a squeak about it and become an enemy of the president. Or. They can double down on his attempt to seize power to prevent that pendulum from swinging back. Like ‘too late to have a conscience now’. Knowing it’s wrong.

The rest is just moral cowardice and grasping for every ‘yeah but’ excuse to avoid self reflection or personal responsibility. Frankly it’s shameful. Like makes me ashamed on behalf of those who lack it. The fact that we as a country have let them get away with it.

You don’t let little kids behave this way. Yes I pushed her down the stairs but but but that other boy is bad too because he took an extra juice box.

No. Wrong is wrong. No matter that you allow it out of fear of personal consequences. Or that you can finger point to lesser offenses elsewhere. Or that you imagine somebody else might do it so you might as well do it yourself. Do unto others as you fear they might do unto you.

Understand in the grand scheme of things we all are ultimately seen weighed and measured. It’s a closed system. You can ask people to bear the consequences of your actions or inactions but eventually when you filter out of this existence and are recycled into the soup of cosmic stuff you will be able to look at the sum total of your life and realize that you stole happiness from the more deserving or more needful because you were selfish, scared, and small in your heart. You missed the chance to make the world better. Allowed more hurt to happen. And for what. Well he did it too. Or at least I’m not as bad as. No. That’s not what matters.


Contrary to your post, and with respect, I think all moments in history are unique. Our history includes a rebellion against England (where our forefathers armed themselves with intent to kill), wiped out or otherwise herded indigenous natives to gain control of property, enslaved many thousands of Africans for personal gain, etc. As Edward Gibbons wrote, " history is little more than a register of the crimes, follies and misfortunes of mankind."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1224 » by doclinkin » Fri Aug 29, 2025 3:55 pm

popper wrote:Contrary to your post, and with respect, I think all moments in history are unique. Our history includes a rebellion against England (where our forefathers armed themselves with intent to kill), wiped out or otherwise herded indigenous natives to gain control of property, enslaved many thousands of Africans for personal gain, etc. As Edward Gibbons wrote, " history is little more than a register of the crimes, follies and misfortunes of mankind."


And now we are herding up the descendants of those indigenous people into cages in the swamp, and crowning a king who profits from their imprisonment.

https://stateline.org/2025/04/11/for-profit-immigration-detention-expands-as-trump-accelerates-his-deportation-plans/

‘Totally normal happens all the time’ is not a proper argument in defense of tyranny.

No. We are dismantling the progress and improvement in human lives that our system of governance has allowed. The attempt to live up to our ideals of a more perfect union, justice, domestic tranquility, general well being, and instead sliding back to the conditions of taxation without representation and paying the government for our own soldiers and law enforcement to be used against our friends and neighbors in violation of the rights and laws they are due.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1225 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:31 pm

popper wrote:We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.

It is interesting to me that Russia's hybrid warfare targeted the US electorate with the "both sides" argument. It was highly effective.

You start with the obvious. Everyone is flawed. Therefore every party is flawed.

And the the fallacious conclusion: both parties are equally flawed.

It hasn't been the case since Bush took us into the forever wars. And yet, we have many that voted for Bush twice and Putin Trump three times under the guise that they are the same as the Democratic candidates.

It hasn't been close in terms of freedoms, foreign policy, grift and the economy.

Those that voted for Bush/Trump are fully responsible for this mess but keep repeating the both sides mantra.

Fascinating.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1226 » by AFM » Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:12 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
popper wrote:We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.

It is interesting to me that Russia's hybrid warfare targeted the US electorate with the "both sides" argument. It was highly effective.

You start with the obvious. Everyone is flawed. Therefore every party is flawed.

And the the fallacious conclusion: both parties are equally flawed.

It hasn't been the case since Bush took us into the forever wars. And yet, we have many that voted for Bush twice and Putin Trump three times under the guise that they are the same as the Democratic candidates.

It hasn't been close in terms of freedoms, foreign policy, grift and the economy.

Those that voted for Bush/Trump are fully responsible for this mess but keep repeating the both sides mantra.

Fascinating.


Yeah. Da1 said the same thing. “yes, Trump rapes kids, but what about Bill Clinton? He’s no saint either!”

Not a serious country.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1227 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:27 pm

AFM wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
popper wrote:We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.

It is interesting to me that Russia's hybrid warfare targeted the US electorate with the "both sides" argument. It was highly effective.

You start with the obvious. Everyone is flawed. Therefore every party is flawed.

And the the fallacious conclusion: both parties are equally flawed.

It hasn't been the case since Bush took us into the forever wars. And yet, we have many that voted for Bush twice and Putin Trump three times under the guise that they are the same as the Democratic candidates.

It hasn't been close in terms of freedoms, foreign policy, grift and the economy.

Those that voted for Bush/Trump are fully responsible for this mess but keep repeating the both sides mantra.

Fascinating.

Yeah. Da1 said the same thing. “yes, Trump rapes kids, but what about Bill Clinton? He’s no saint either!”

Not a serious country.

Democrats added to the deficit, Republicans added to the deficit.

Republicans:
Forever Wars - $8 trillion
Bush Tax Cuts - 2.6 trillion
Trump Tax Cuts I - 2.3 Trillion
Trump Tax cuts II - 4 Trillion

Trump Covid Stimulus - 2.2 Trillion
Biden Covid Stimulus - 1.9 Trillion

Pretty much the same, right?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1228 » by daoneandonly » Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:27 pm

AFM wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
popper wrote:We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.

It is interesting to me that Russia's hybrid warfare targeted the US electorate with the "both sides" argument. It was highly effective.

You start with the obvious. Everyone is flawed. Therefore every party is flawed.

And the the fallacious conclusion: both parties are equally flawed.

It hasn't been the case since Bush took us into the forever wars. And yet, we have many that voted for Bush twice and Putin Trump three times under the guise that they are the same as the Democratic candidates.

It hasn't been close in terms of freedoms, foreign policy, grift and the economy.

Those that voted for Bush/Trump are fully responsible for this mess but keep repeating the both sides mantra.

Fascinating.


Yeah. Da1 said the same thing. “yes, Trump rapes kids, but what about Bill Clinton? He’s no saint either!”

Not a serious country.


Dont speak for me and mention hurting kids when you're pro kill a baby because they werent planned.

I said if Trump is guilty, impeach him; I call him out. You guys never mention Clinton because, well, all you do is complain about the right because they dont support handouts and wiping out debt that people owe.

People here say I dont have the right to tell someone who or what is moral, but thats all you all do here. The hypocrisy is comical.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1229 » by AFM » Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:29 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
AFM wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It is interesting to me that Russia's hybrid warfare targeted the US electorate with the "both sides" argument. It was highly effective.

You start with the obvious. Everyone is flawed. Therefore every party is flawed.

And the the fallacious conclusion: both parties are equally flawed.

It hasn't been the case since Bush took us into the forever wars. And yet, we have many that voted for Bush twice and Putin Trump three times under the guise that they are the same as the Democratic candidates.

It hasn't been close in terms of freedoms, foreign policy, grift and the economy.

Those that voted for Bush/Trump are fully responsible for this mess but keep repeating the both sides mantra.

Fascinating.

Yeah. Da1 said the same thing. “yes, Trump rapes kids, but what about Bill Clinton? He’s no saint either!”

Not a serious country.

Democrats added to the deficit, Republicans added to the deficit.

Republicans:
Forever Wars - $8 trillion
Bush Tax Cuts - 2.6 trillion
Trump Tax Cuts I - 2.3 Trillion
Trump Tax cuts II - 4 Trillion

Trump Covid Stimulus - 2.2 Trillion
Biden Covid Stimulus - 1.9 Trillion

Pretty much the same, right?


Both sides of the same coin, maaannn….
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1230 » by daoneandonly » Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:29 pm

Larry Hogan gave MD a surplus
Rhodes Scholar Wes Moore in short order took us to a deficit.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1231 » by Wizardspride » Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:37 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1232 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 29, 2025 6:22 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
AFM wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It is interesting to me that Russia's hybrid warfare targeted the US electorate with the "both sides" argument. It was highly effective.

You start with the obvious. Everyone is flawed. Therefore every party is flawed.

And the the fallacious conclusion: both parties are equally flawed.

It hasn't been the case since Bush took us into the forever wars. And yet, we have many that voted for Bush twice and Putin Trump three times under the guise that they are the same as the Democratic candidates.

It hasn't been close in terms of freedoms, foreign policy, grift and the economy.

Those that voted for Bush/Trump are fully responsible for this mess but keep repeating the both sides mantra.

Fascinating.


Yeah. Da1 said the same thing. “yes, Trump rapes kids, but what about Bill Clinton? He’s no saint either!”

Not a serious country.

Dont speak for me and mention hurting kids when you're pro kill a baby because they werent planned.

I said if Trump is guilty, impeach him; I call him out. You guys never mention Clinton because, well, all you do is complain about the right because they dont support handouts and wiping out debt that people owe.

People here say I dont have the right to tell someone who or what is moral, but thats all you all do here. The hypocrisy is comical.

More both sides arguments made out of ignorance. Keep going...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1233 » by daoneandonly » Fri Aug 29, 2025 6:30 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
AFM wrote:
Yeah. Da1 said the same thing. “yes, Trump rapes kids, but what about Bill Clinton? He’s no saint either!”

Not a serious country.

Dont speak for me and mention hurting kids when you're pro kill a baby because they werent planned.

I said if Trump is guilty, impeach him; I call him out. You guys never mention Clinton because, well, all you do is complain about the right because they dont support handouts and wiping out debt that people owe.

People here say I dont have the right to tell someone who or what is moral, but thats all you all do here. The hypocrisy is comical.

More both sides arguments made out of ignorance. Keep going...


Yea only the right does it, the left is flawless. Good grief the amount of whine on this forum, there's not enough cheese in the world to go with it. You guys can never admit fault. Just like the liberal SCOTUS can never dissent, they always walks the same narrow-minded line like a cult
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1234 » by payitforward » Fri Aug 29, 2025 6:44 pm

popper wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
popper wrote:It's a quandary alright. But how can you observe/think it's a Republican only quandary. This is the human condition and has been throughout history. We are, both D and R, universally flawed and ignorant. Surely you can admit that.


This is the standard playbook for those trying to dodge responsibility. “Everybody does it”.

No this is a unique moment in American history. Not everybody foments rebellion on Jan 6. Pardons those who attacked capitol police. Re writes the maps mid term when polls show they are losing. Negates the constitution by reappropriating funds designated for programs voted on by the representatives of the people, diverting them instead to a private army that violates due process, illegal search and seizure laws etc. Not everybody directs the National Guard into states against the will of the governors of those states. Not everyone steals government documents and hides them in their bathroom then lies about it and directs employees to move them to dodge the search warrant. Not everyone suppresses the files that reveals their friendship with billionaire pedophiles. Not everyone has 30+ felonies hanging over their heads.

There are uncountable violations of our Constitution, law and the common values under which this country was founded. We have a president who’d rather be king and not subject to checks and balances. And the only way he can dodge consequences of his violations is to retain power. So he doubles down on those violations. Those who are following his directives understand they are contravening the rule of law, not just publicly but to your whistleblower point: especially behind the scenes, so they can either make a squeak about it and become an enemy of the president. Or. They can double down on his attempt to seize power to prevent that pendulum from swinging back. Like ‘too late to have a conscience now’. Knowing it’s wrong.

The rest is just moral cowardice and grasping for every ‘yeah but’ excuse to avoid self reflection or personal responsibility. Frankly it’s shameful. Like makes me ashamed on behalf of those who lack it. The fact that we as a country have let them get away with it.

You don’t let little kids behave this way. Yes I pushed her down the stairs but but but that other boy is bad too because he took an extra juice box.

No. Wrong is wrong. No matter that you allow it out of fear of personal consequences. Or that you can finger point to lesser offenses elsewhere. Or that you imagine somebody else might do it so you might as well do it yourself. Do unto others as you fear they might do unto you.

Understand in the grand scheme of things we all are ultimately seen weighed and measured. It’s a closed system. You can ask people to bear the consequences of your actions or inactions but eventually when you filter out of this existence and are recycled into the soup of cosmic stuff you will be able to look at the sum total of your life and realize that you stole happiness from the more deserving or more needful because you were selfish, scared, and small in your heart. You missed the chance to make the world better. Allowed more hurt to happen. And for what. Well he did it too. Or at least I’m not as bad as. No. That’s not what matters.


Contrary to your post, and with respect, I think all moments in history are unique. Our history includes a rebellion against England (where our forefathers armed themselves with intent to kill), wiped out or otherwise herded indigenous natives to gain control of property, enslaved many thousands of Africans for personal gain, etc. As Edward Gibbons wrote, " history is little more than a register of the crimes, follies and misfortunes of mankind."

I like you, Popper; you know that. But, equating the January 6 insurrection (& the rest of Trump's long list of evil actions & crimes) with the American Revolution is a truly gross thing to do. I won't call it evil in this first instance, but if you were to repeat it, to attempt to justify the comparison, then to be sure "evil" would be the proper word.

OTOH, there is no doubt that the capture & chattel enslavement of Africans is even worse than anything Trump has done. All the same, he's guilty of enough that he does not deserve to live another day with any scope of action beyond scheduling his next tee time.

Do I want him in jail? It would be great but is unnecessary -- just out of public life, definitively, would suffice.

Do I want him dead? He doesn't need my help in heading that way, but I do hope I live long enough to dance on his grave.

Is there an argument of any kind that can be made in his favor? In support of what he's done as President? No. It's been one disaster followed by another; & it's getting worse by the day.

I've never thought of you as a fool, Popper, but if you can't see that Donald Trump & his gang of helpers are destroying this country day by day, then that is exactly what you are.

Nor will quoting Gibbon (who stole the sentiment from Voltaire, btw -- not that the thought originated with him either...) suffice to excuse you.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1235 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 29, 2025 6:57 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-frees-us-marine-murdered-132403689.html

Story also reported in the NYT and Newsweek and other news outlets.

Donald Trump has freed a convicted triple-murderer as part of a high-profile prisoner swap with Venezuela.

Dahud Hanid Ortiz, 54, a former US marine who killed three people in Madrid in 2016, was one of 10 Americans released last Friday.

Ortiz, a dual Venezuelan-American citizen, had been tried, convicted and sentenced to 30 years in Venezuela last year. Now, he is free and living in Orlando, Florida, sources told The New York Times.


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Post#1236 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 29, 2025 7:04 pm

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/02/06/arrest-trump-pardon-insurrection/

A Houston man who was recently pardoned by President Donald Trump for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection has been arrested on an outstanding child sex crimes charge.

Andrew Taake, 36, was taken into custody on Thursday after spending more than two weeks as a fugitive, the Harris County District Attorney’s Office said. He had previously been charged with online solicitation of a minor stemming from a 2016 incident in which he allegedly sent sexually explicit messages to an undercover law enforcement officer who was posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Taake was among the roughly 1,600 people, including 120 Texans, who were charged for their roles in the U.S. Capitol riot, which ultimately resulted in five deaths, injuries to 140 police officers, at least $2.8 million in damage and roughly 1,575 federal criminal cases.

Federal prosecutors said Taake used bear spray and a metal whip to assault officers, and that he was caught after bragging about the incident to a woman he met on an online dating app. Screenshots of his messages to the woman, who later alerted law enforcement, show that he sent a selfie of himself to the woman that he said was taken “about 30 minutes” after the incident, according to court records.


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Post#1237 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 29, 2025 7:08 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

US President Donald Trump says he has signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, who operated Silk Road, the dark web marketplace where illegal drugs were sold.

Ulbricht was convicted in 2015 in New York in a narcotics and money-laundering conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison.

Trump championed Ulbricht's cause, joining libertarians who said the conviction was an example of government overreach. On Tuesday, he said he had called Ulbricht's mother to inform her that he had granted a pardon to her son.

Silk Road, which was shut down in 2013 after police arrested Ulbricht, sold illegal drugs using Bitcoin, as well as hacking equipment and stolen passports.

Ulbricht was found guilty of charges including conspiracy to commit drug trafficking, money laundering and computer hacking.

During his trial, prosecutors said Ulbricht's website, hosted on the hidden "dark web", sold more than $200m (£131m) worth of drugs anonymously.

Prosecutors said he also solicited six murders-for-hire, including one against a former Silk Road employee, though they said no evidence existed that any killings were actually carried out.

"The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponisation of government against me," Trump said in a post on his Truth Social site on Tuesday. "He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!"


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Post#1238 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 29, 2025 7:11 pm

https://capitolnewsillinois.com/news/trump-pardons-blagojevich-5-years-after-commutation-cut-prison-time-short/

President Donald Trump on Monday granted a full pardon to former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was convicted on 18 corruption counts, including for his attempt to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate seat in 2008 – and who holds the distinction of being the state’s only impeached governor.

Trump’s pardon comes five years after he commuted Blagojevich’s 14-year prison sentence in February 2020, sending the disgraced ex-governor home from lockup in a low-security Colorado facility six years early.



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Post#1239 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 29, 2025 7:16 pm

https://tennesseelookout.com/briefs/former-tennessee-sen-brian-kelsey-gains-trump-pardon-two-weeks-after-heading-to-prison/

President Donald Trump has pardoned former state Sen. Brian Kelsey just weeks after Kelsey entered federal prison to serve what was to be a 21-month sentence on federal campaign finance charges.

Kelsey, who pleaded guilty in 2022 to two counts of violating federal campaign finance laws in a scheme to bolster his failed 2016 congressional campaign, in a statement blamed “political weaponization” by the Department of Justice under former President Joe Biden for his conviction.

“Like President Trump, I’ve seen how the justice system can be weaponized to target conservatives who challenge the status quo,” Kelsey said in a press release. “His understanding of this injustice, born from his own experiences with lawfare, has restored my freedom and reaffirmed my faith in true leadership.”

The ex-senator funneled more than $90,000 from his state account to his congressional campaign through two political action committees, illicitly using “soft money” not governed by federal laws.

Kelsey, an attorney, attempted to withdraw his guilty plea, saying he wasn’t of sound mind because his wife had recently given birth to twins and his father, who later died, was sick.

Kelsey reported to FCI Ashland in Kentucky on February 25 after exhausting all appeals to reverse his plea, appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court, which declined to hear an appeal.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1240 » by dobrojim » Fri Aug 29, 2025 7:18 pm

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/why-is-trump-pardoning-julie-and-todd-chrisley-the-reality-tv-couple-convicted-of-fraud?srsltid=AfmBOooA7M6EEJIcKLA0hFOeLrq9L9stcujNMcwEj_nzLgCYL2Vm3S63

one can always rely on Donald Trump to help a fellow reality star in need. This time, they’re Julie and Todd Chrisley, who headlined the hit series Chrisley Knows Best—and were convicted on bank fraud and tax evasion charges in 2022.

The Chrisleys were found guilty of both evading taxes and conspiracy to defraud community banks out of more than $30 million to fund their lavish lifestyle, as seen on TV. Julie was also found guilty of wire fraud and obstruction of justice. And their accountant, Peter Tarantino, was found guilty of multiple tax crimes as well, including conspiring to defraud the IRS and filing two false corporate tax returns on behalf of the Chrisleys’ company.

Tarantino was sentenced to three years in federal prison, while his former clients Julie and Todd were sentenced to seven and 12 years, respectively. “As today’s outcome shows, when you lie, cheat and steal, justice is blind as to your fame, your fortune, and your position,” Keri Farley, special agent in charge of FBI Atlanta, said in a statement at the time of the convictions. “In the end, when driven by greed, the verdict of guilty on all counts for these three defendants proves once again that financial crimes do not pay.”


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A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

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