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[Kiss of Death]

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[Nuntius]

And if Miro Little develops as well then Finland is going to have a very good team for the next decade.

Maybe Miro Little can still change the course of his development. He prolly made wrong career-decisions, got side-tracked, and he has lost confidence on his offensive skills.

The Finnish hopes for the next national team PG lay on the shoulders of the currently 17-year old Samu Adler.
https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/samu-adler
If he doesn't develop as projected, and if Miro Little doesn't find new life, the PG position looks to be extremely weak for Team Finland for at least the next decade. Basketball is a *very* small sport in Finland.

I haven't followed Little's career closely so I cannot comment on his development and decisions. But I'll take your word for it since you seem to be watching them more closely than I did.

I probably read Samu Adler's name somewhere when I was taking a look at the various youth EuroBasket tournaments but, man, Finland bombed in that u18 tournament, finishing 15th in Division B. Finland had pretty disappointing results this summer in most youth competitions and it sucks.

I get that basketball is still a small sport in Finland but I thought that the successes of the early 10s teams would have helped create a talent pool.

[Mrakar]

Bogdanovic injury can really open this thing up. Serbia can still coast to knock-out phase without him but the rest will not be so easy, especialy semis and the finals. If it is really hammy like it looked, he is out for the tournament.

[Swuul]

Fact that Croatia isn't qualified is only because of teams that participate in qualifications, but who can't be eliminated.

Making up even more lies?

Maybe you should first check if Ukraine and Hungary are in Eurobasket, before continuing? Then check how the qualifications *actually* work, instead of sprouting your lies in the public?

Croatia didn't qualify because they are not good enough, it really is that simple. Neither did Ukraine, or Hungary, or Denmark, or Luxembourg, or San Marino, etc etc. No need for lies or folio-hats.

[Bob8]

Fact that Croatia isn't qualified is only because of teams that participate in qualifications, but who can't be eliminated.

Making up even more lies?

Maybe you should first check if Ukraine and Hungary are in Eurobasket, before continuing? Then check how the qualifications *actually* work, instead of sprouting your lies in the public?

Croatia didn't qualify because they are not good enough, it really is that simple. Neither did Ukraine, or Hungary, or Denmark, or Luxembourg, or San Marino, etc etc. No need for lies or folio-hats.

Not good enough without their best players.

Slovenia for example didn't qualify in 2019 WC after winning 2017 Eurobasket, because nobody important could play in Windows.

Big nations like Spain or France will always qualify because their pool of players is that big, smaller nations just can't miss their best players and easily qualify.

Croatia is better than half of the teams in 2025 Eurobasket, Slovenia included, but doesn't play because of moronic qualification system.

[UcanUwill]

Miikka Muurinen Holy Macaroni!!!!!!!!

Miikka Muurinen represents a pretty major hope for Finland. His father, Kimmo, was a part of the Finnish NTs of the early 10s that helped make basketball more popular in Finland. He wasn't a starter but he was a part of their shooting identity as a perimeter-shooting PF. Miikka has all the tools to become a very good basketball player and he's just 18 years old.

If he develops properly, he's gonna be awesome next to Lauri. And if Miro Little develops as well then Finland is going to have a very good team for the next decade.

He looks like a young Vesely who can also shoot.
Aaron Ekwere is another guy i've been impresed whenever i saw him play, if he develops any semblance of a jumpshot watch out.

How long was Veselys arms, because he never was a shotblocker at all? He was not a shooter, rebounder or rim protector and NBA tried to turn him into Center. I always thought it was a mistake, he supposed to remain slim and be Perimeter lock down defender he was at Partizan, he definitley had chops for that.

But that said, Miikka has 7'3 wingspan, and he is probably not done growing, he could turn into faster Chet Holmgren maybe. Trey Kerby compared him to Matas Buzelis, but there is more length there, and yeah, we all bringing up white dudes...

He got posterized later in game, but for a guy so long and tall, he has nice hops and he wants to swat everything, with more experience, that could have been block of the year. Dude looks crazy good, he was born in 2007

[UcanUwill]

And if Miro Little develops as well then Finland is going to have a very good team for the next decade.

Maybe Miro Little can still change the course of his development. He prolly made wrong career-decisions, got side-tracked, and he has lost confidence on his offensive skills.

The Finnish hopes for the next national team PG lay on the shoulders of the currently 17-year old Samu Adler.
https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/samu-adler
If he doesn't develop as projected, and if Miro Little doesn't find new life, the PG position looks to be extremely weak for Team Finland for at least the next decade. Basketball is a *very* small sport in Finland.

How do you pronounce Miro Little? I think I know how to pronounce Miro (and its not like name MILO (Ventimiglia for example)), but Little? I think we all just assume it is like english word ''little'', but I am not sure that would be the case. I hate when international players have names like Maker, Fall, Post, and US announcers just say their names like it is english word without even thinking they could be wrong, and it is not how those names are pronounced at all.

[Bob8]

Miikka Muurinen represents a pretty major hope for Finland. His father, Kimmo, was a part of the Finnish NTs of the early 10s that helped make basketball more popular in Finland. He wasn't a starter but he was a part of their shooting identity as a perimeter-shooting PF. Miikka has all the tools to become a very good basketball player and he's just 18 years old.

If he develops properly, he's gonna be awesome next to Lauri. And if Miro Little develops as well then Finland is going to have a very good team for the next decade.

He looks like a young Vesely who can also shoot.
Aaron Ekwere is another guy i've been impresed whenever i saw him play, if he develops any semblance of a jumpshot watch out.

How long was Veselys arms, because he never was a shotblocker at all? He was not a shooter, rebounder or rim protector and NBA tried to turn him into Center. I always thought it was a mistake, he supposed to remain slim and be Perimeter lock down defender he was at Partizan, he definitley had chops for that.

But that said, Miikka has 7'3 wingspan, and he is probably not done growing, he could turn into faster Chet Holmgren maybe. Trey Kerby compared him to Matas Buzelis, but there is more length there, and yeah, we all bringing up white dudes...

He got posterized later in game, but for a guy so long and tall, he has nice hops and he wants to swat everything, with more experience, that could have been block of the year. Dude looks crazy good, he was born in 2007

Vesely was unskilled and without basketball IQ, that was his problem, but he developed a solid shot in last part of his time in Fener.

[UcanUwill]

He looks like a young Vesely who can also shoot.
Aaron Ekwere is another guy i've been impresed whenever i saw him play, if he develops any semblance of a jumpshot watch out.

How long was Veselys arms, because he never was a shotblocker at all? He was not a shooter, rebounder or rim protector and NBA tried to turn him into Center. I always thought it was a mistake, he supposed to remain slim and be Perimeter lock down defender he was at Partizan, he definitley had chops for that.

But that said, Miikka has 7'3 wingspan, and he is probably not done growing, he could turn into faster Chet Holmgren maybe. Trey Kerby compared him to Matas Buzelis, but there is more length there, and yeah, we all bringing up white dudes...

He got posterized later in game, but for a guy so long and tall, he has nice hops and he wants to swat everything, with more experience, that could have been block of the year. Dude looks crazy good, he was born in 2007

Vesely was unskilled and without basketball IQ, that was his problem, but he developed a solid shot in last part of his time in Fener.

But young Vesely was very athletic 6'11 Small Forward, who could lock down guards, and he had some semblense of shooting ability. That guy aint a scrub, but they made him put on weight, abandon shooting completely, and he gained weight, lost his only elite skill which was perimeter defense, and he stopped shooting jumpers at all. He was bad shooter at Partizan, but he was also 18 and he did attempt shots, threes, and he made some. IMO his corner shot should have been developed hard and his quickness and D should have been cherished. But he was developed in complete opposite way. They wanted a switchy and fast center, which I get, but he just had no NAB caliber center skills at all.

Never make it in the NBA, and yeah, he did become good Euroleague player, he even won MVP, he is probably weakest Euroleague MVP ever tho, back in those transition years when Euroleague had zero star power, when Nemanja Bjelica was also MVP, but just watching him, a Center Jan Vesely, it was a bit sad seeing what he became compared to what he was when he was 18 and what he could have been. Kid had legit talent.

[nomansland]

Seems like Pesic didn't get his team motivated for todays game at all.

It could be this or it could be that Portugal is just better than most of us expected. I mean, they did beat Czechia in the opener. I could definitely see Portugal advancing.

Yeah my take was that Portugal is actually pretty good. They're tough mentally and physically.

[Bob8]

How long was Veselys arms, because he never was a shotblocker at all? He was not a shooter, rebounder or rim protector and NBA tried to turn him into Center. I always thought it was a mistake, he supposed to remain slim and be Perimeter lock down defender he was at Partizan, he definitley had chops for that.

But that said, Miikka has 7'3 wingspan, and he is probably not done growing, he could turn into faster Chet Holmgren maybe. Trey Kerby compared him to Matas Buzelis, but there is more length there, and yeah, we all bringing up white dudes...

He got posterized later in game, but for a guy so long and tall, he has nice hops and he wants to swat everything, with more experience, that could have been block of the year. Dude looks crazy good, he was born in 2007

Vesely was unskilled and without basketball IQ, that was his problem, but he developed a solid shot in last part of his time in Fener.

But young Vesely was very athletic 6'11 Small Forward, who could lock down guards, and he had some semblense of shooting ability. That guy aint a scrub, but they made him put on weight, abandon shooting completely, and he gained weight, lost his only elite skill which was perimeter defense, and he stopped shooting jumpers at all. He was bad shooter at Partizan, but he was also 18 and he did attempt shots, threes, and he made some. IMO his corner shot should have been developed hard and his quickness and D should have been cherished. But he was developed in complete opposite way. They wanted a switchy and fast center, which I get, but he just had no NAB caliber center skills at all.

Never make it in the NBA, and yeah, he did become good Euroleague player, he even won MVP, he is probably weakest Euroleague MVP ever tho, back in those transition years when Euroleague had zero star power, when Nemanja Bjelica was also MVP, but just watching him, a Center Jan Vesely, it was a bit sad seeing what he became compared to what he was when he was 18 and what he could have been. Kid had legit talent.

Like I said he developed a shot too late, Obra made him develop a shot btw. It's similar story with Randolph. Randolph would have been Nba player, if he could shoot in Nba, like he was shooting in Real.

MVP in Euroleague doesn't mean much, when 27 years old players are winning it, all good Europeans are by that time playing in Nba. It's just sad story for European basketball, talent is nowadays going in USA as teenagers.

Vezenkov, Micic, Vesely...just a joke of MVP.

[UcanUwill]

Seems like Pesic didn't get his team motivated for todays game at all.

It could be this or it could be that Portugal is just better than most of us expected. I mean, they did beat Czechia in the opener. I could definitely see Portugal advancing.

Yeah my take was that Portugal is actually pretty good. They're tough mentally and physically.

Portugal looks good, but they also have guys who play In Spanish third division, where 11 of Serbias guys are in the NBA or Euroleague, including best player in the world. Fact the game was so close is still pretty shocking, Serbia just looked too relaxed IMO, even when Portugal cut it to 7, they didn't even sub Jokic back in, they kinda just sleeped walked that game it seemed.
It is fine, but still a bit weird, I imagine Pesic would be the coach who would demand crazy effort no matter what. That was surprising part to me, they were too relaxed for a Pesic coached team.

[Foliohattu]

And if Miro Little develops as well then Finland is going to have a very good team for the next decade.

Maybe Miro Little can still change the course of his development. He prolly made wrong career-decisions, got side-tracked, and he has lost confidence on his offensive skills.

The Finnish hopes for the next national team PG lay on the shoulders of the currently 17-year old Samu Adler.
https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/samu-adler
If he doesn't develop as projected, and if Miro Little doesn't find new life, the PG position looks to be extremely weak for Team Finland for at least the next decade. Basketball is a *very* small sport in Finland.

How do you pronounce Miro Little? I think I know how to pronounce Miro (and its not like name MILO (Ventimiglia for example)), but Little? I think we all just assume it is like english word ''little'', but I am not sure that would be the case. I hate when international players have names like Maker, Fall, Post, and US announcers just say their names like it is english word without even thinking they could be wrong, and it is not how those names are pronounced at all.

His dad (La Trice Little, played ball in Finland) is from US, so it just Little

[Swuul]

How do you pronounce Miro Little? I think I know how to pronounce Miro (and its not like name MILO (Ventimiglia for example)), but Little? I think we all just assume it is like english word ''little'', but I am not sure that would be the case. I hate when international players have names like Maker, Fall, Post, and US announcers just say their names like it is english word without even thinking they could be wrong, and it is not how those names are pronounced at all.

Miro is a common finnish name, pronounced about same as saying "me roh". The names etymological roots are both in latin and slavic language. In latin "mirus" means "wonderful", and slavic "miroslav" means "glory", so the finnish name "Miro" basically means "glorius wonder"; typically given to a child that is wanted and very much wished for by the parents. EDT: Just to clarify, Miro has three siblings, so he is not the only child of his parents.

His father is La Trice Little (a former basketball player and a basketball referee), a dual citizen of USA and Finland. The surname thus is pronounced as the English word "little".

[Nuntius]

And if Miro Little develops as well then Finland is going to have a very good team for the next decade.

Maybe Miro Little can still change the course of his development. He prolly made wrong career-decisions, got side-tracked, and he has lost confidence on his offensive skills.

The Finnish hopes for the next national team PG lay on the shoulders of the currently 17-year old Samu Adler.
https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/samu-adler
If he doesn't develop as projected, and if Miro Little doesn't find new life, the PG position looks to be extremely weak for Team Finland for at least the next decade. Basketball is a *very* small sport in Finland.

How do you pronounce Miro Little? I think I know how to pronounce Miro (and its not like name MILO (Ventimiglia for example)), but Little? I think we all just assume it is like english word ''little'', but I am not sure that would be the case. I hate when international players have names like Maker, Fall, Post, and US announcers just say their names like it is english word without even thinking they could be wrong, and it is not how those names are pronounced at all.

Miro Little's father is American so his surname is English. Little is just like Shawn Huff and Gerald Lee. All 3 of them were born in Finland to Finnish mothers and American fathers. Jacob Grandison is like that as well with the difference that unlike the other 3, he grew up in the US and not Finland (and that his mother is a Swedish-speaking Finn).

[Nuntius]

It could be this or it could be that Portugal is just better than most of us expected. I mean, they did beat Czechia in the opener. I could definitely see Portugal advancing.

Yeah my take was that Portugal is actually pretty good. They're tough mentally and physically.

Portugal looks good, but they also have guys who play In Spanish third division, where 11 of Serbias guys are in the NBA or Euroleague, including best player in the world. Fact the game was so close is still pretty shocking, Serbia just looked too relaxed IMO, even when Portugal cut it to 7, they didn't even sub Jokic back in, they kinda just sleeped walked that game it seemed.
It is fine, but still a bit weird, I imagine Pesic would be the coach who would demand crazy effort no matter what. That was surprising part to me, they were too relaxed for a Pesic coached team.

It could definitely be both. Serbia probably wasn't going balls to the wall. There is always an element of not overexerting yourself too much early in these tournaments. But I do want to give Portugal credit. They have been better than I expected.

[sisibilio]

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Big nations like Spain or France will always qualify because their pool of players is that big, smaller nations just can't miss their best players and easily qualify.

It used to be the case but now with Valencia in the euroleague and all the young and not-so-young guys heading to the NCAA it's gonna be quite the challenge to fill a competitive roster.

[UcanUwill]

So it is just Little... Thanks for clarifying that guys, kinda disappointed haha, I thought maybe it is some kind of Lit-leh type of name, little is a bit boring but I guess it makes it easier for everyone

[LuDux1]

Lithuania, 57 rebounds against Great Britain - Eurobasket all-time record. 35 assists against Montenegro - Eurobasket all-time record

That's assuming FIBA has stats from 80s and earlier

[UcanUwill]

So everyone plays today, I hope most of you have day off, I will have to work later, but at least Lithuanian game I will be able to watch. Some interesting tests today.

Lithuania looks very good, it will be interesting to see them against one of the biggest favorites, Germany. Could go both ways, either we win or lose by a few points and everything looks promising for Lithuania, or Germans crush us and our bubble burts.

Czechs vs Estonia, very important game for both teams, have to win this one. Both teams are 0-2, both teams had one really bad game and one game whre they looked decent.

Great Britain vs Sweden same thing, both teams are winless, have to win this one. Sweden although looked really good in both games, they were just a bit overmatched, Britain looked pretty awful in both games, I expect Sweden to win.

France vs Slovenia. I guess France is huge favorite, but it will be interesting to see if Slovenia still good at all, so far they been very underwhelming/

Montenegro vs Finland is interesting. Montenegro looked dreadful yesterday, they will want to bounce back. Finland looked good yesterday, but they barely beat Sweden on day one, so it is hard to grasp them just yet.

Poland vs Israel is interesting, both teams are of the similar caliber, and both probably trying to take second place in group D.