OT : Eurobasket 2025 semifinals | Türkiye vs Greece | & | Finland vs Germany |

[RookieStar]

Third worst perimeter guy off the bench, it is not that huge of a problem, we aren't saying he would start and play 35 minutes a game. Dude, guys like Merill play in the NBA...

He started this game guarding Jokubaitis, while Dennis was saved on off ball palyer. Jokubaitis caught fire when Obst sit on the bench.

Is Obst really that of a traffic cone?

No, but he is 6'4 and not know for defense per se.

Huh.... a lot of 6'4 guards in the nba that are allergic to defense.

[RookieStar]

Is Obst really that of a traffic cone?

No, but he is 6'4 and not know for defense per se.

He's not 6'4. Nowadays shooters have to defend too. Good D and average shooting is better combination than good shooting and bad D.

Well... Jett Howard and TRoss comes to mind on my team that are/were 3pt trigger happy matador defense.

[djw]

Is Obst really that of a traffic cone?

No, but he is 6'4 and not know for defense per se.

He's not 6'4. Nowadays shooters have to defend too. Good D and average shooting is better combination than good shooting and bad D.

What‘s the big difference between him and say Seth Curry for example?

As for his height, I can see him being 6‘4“. We were basically same height when we used to play each other and that was like 10 years ago and I‘m legit 6‘3“ barefoot. Growing another inch after beimg 16/17 at that time isn‘t unreasonable.

[-Luke-]

Theis prime Ben Wallace on defense and prime Klay Thompson on offense.

[sisibilio]

Theis having the game of his life.

[Mavrelous]

Damn, they are toying with the Lithuanians...

[-Luke-]

Lol, German commentator very sarcastic: "Maybe there will be a story about this game in the newspaper after the results from the 8th football/soccer division"

[Bob8]

No, but he is 6'4 and not know for defense per se.

He's not 6'4. Nowadays shooters have to defend too. Good D and average shooting is better combination than good shooting and bad D.

What‘s the big difference between him and say Seth Curry for example?

As for his height, I can see him being 6‘4“. We were basically same height when we used to play each other and that was like 10 years ago and I‘m legit 6‘3“ barefoot. Growing another inch after beimg 16/17 at that time isn‘t unreasonable.

Having a brother named Steph?

Seth is incredible shooter and he had to change teams every second year.

[sisibilio]

What a BS call on Theis

[UcanUwill]

No, but he is 6'4 and not know for defense per se.

He's not 6'4. Nowadays shooters have to defend too. Good D and average shooting is better combination than good shooting and bad D.

What‘s the big difference between him and say Seth Curry for example?

As for his height, I can see him being 6‘4“. We were basically same height when we used to play each other and that was like 10 years ago and I‘m legit 6‘3“ barefoot. Growing another inch after beimg 16/17 at that time isn‘t unreasonable.

He is 6'4, or around it, inch metric is not that accurate anyway. we saw him next to Normantas in this game, who is 6'5, and Obst does not look much shorter at all, he is definitley not shorter than Jokubaitis, who is 6'3 near 6'4.
6'3 SG is undersized in Euroleague a bit, and I do not think Obst is undersized, 6'4 is not a lot for non point guard, but he is fine. he was primary Jokubaitis defender in this game and he looked really good.

What is the difference between him and Seth, I mean there is not much. Obviously, not every guy who is in the NBA is better than guy who is not in the NBA, and Obst definitely has elite NBA qualities.

[djw]

He's not 6'4. Nowadays shooters have to defend too. Good D and average shooting is better combination than good shooting and bad D.

What‘s the big difference between him and say Seth Curry for example?

As for his height, I can see him being 6‘4“. We were basically same height when we used to play each other and that was like 10 years ago and I‘m legit 6‘3“ barefoot. Growing another inch after beimg 16/17 at that time isn‘t unreasonable.

Having a brother named Steph?

Seth is incredible shooter and he had to change teams every second year.

Sure that helps.

Still, he made a career and it‘s not like role players tend to stay with one franchise for life.

I‘m pretty sure Obst is a top 10 pure shooter worldwide right now. But this discussion is somewhat off-topic.

Great game by Germany and fun game overall. Offense is clicking on all cylinders. Defense needs some more consistency still.

[UcanUwill]

Beside terrible passing turnovers, Lithuania played well and still lost by 19, Germany is super good, this is 3 from 3 of them scoring 105 or more.

[lambchop]

Fact that Croatia isn't qualified is only because of teams that participate in qualifications, but who can't be eliminated.

Making up even more lies?

Maybe you should first check if Ukraine and Hungary are in Eurobasket, before continuing? Then check how the qualifications *actually* work, instead of sprouting your lies in the public?

Croatia didn't qualify because they are not good enough, it really is that simple. Neither did Ukraine, or Hungary, or Denmark, or Luxembourg, or San Marino, etc etc. No need for lies or folio-hats.

I made mistake about who is hosting and who applied for hosting, that's why i mentioned Ukraine and Hungary. My mistake for not checking actual tournament participation.

Regardless, Croatia didn't qualify for same reason Slovenia didn't qualify for WC in 2019 after winning Eurobasket in 2017, because during qualification period they were without Dragic and Doncic. Matter of fact, during qualifications for WC 19, Slovenia went 1-5

I'm well aware how qualifications work. They are set in middle of regular seasons so teams can't count on NBA players and portion of Euroleague top players. Meaning, team that needs to secure his national team spot in tournament is whole different team than one that will be at tournament.

For big countries with huge pool of talent, with strong domestic leagues like Spain, it's no problem. But smaller countries that rely on several players to make difference, it's huge problem. This is nothing new, in 2022 Latvia didn't qualify because they sucked in 4th stage of qualifications.

But here is interesting data:
Latvia lost to Greece and failed to qualify to EB 2022, this are Greece players from qualifications:
-Dimitrios Katsivelis- wasn't at main tournament
- Linos Chrysikopoulos- wasn't at main tournament
- Christos Saloustros - wasn't at main tournament
. Margaritis - wasn't at main tournament
- Papadakis - wasn't at main tournament
- Nikolaos Chougkaz - wasn't at main tournament
-Vassilis Mouratos - wasn't at main tournament
- Georgios Tsalmpouris - wasn't at main tournament
Ioannis Kouzeloglou - wasn't at main tournament


And you can't see travisty of qualifications in such fashion ? Team that makes through qualification is often100% different basketball team than one that is sent to play at main tournament. How is this fair to:

1) players who are part of qualifications
2) teams that don't have 30 elite men for basketball
3) smaller countries all together, who are very top heavy, but very talented at the top?

It's definitely tough, but that's why countries have to work hard to create a large pool of competent players. Even Estonia, Iceland and Montenegro have managed to do that.

Croatia has seen an overall negative trend. They just lost an ABA liga team and not a single Croatian team was in Basketball Champions League. Zadar got eliminated in the qualifying stages of Fiba Europe Cup. That's a competition that even features Hungarian and multiple teams from Cyprus.

Literally zero effort was made to develop Croatian players and get them used to competing against European pros.

[UcanUwill]

What‘s the big difference between him and say Seth Curry for example?

As for his height, I can see him being 6‘4“. We were basically same height when we used to play each other and that was like 10 years ago and I‘m legit 6‘3“ barefoot. Growing another inch after beimg 16/17 at that time isn‘t unreasonable.

Having a brother named Steph?

Seth is incredible shooter and he had to change teams every second year.

Sure that helps.

Still, he made a career and it‘s not like role players tend to stay with one franchise for life.

I‘m pretty sure Obst is a top 10 pure shooter worldwide right now. But this discussion is somewhat off-topic.

Great game by Germany and fun game overall. Offense is clicking on all cylinders. Defense needs some more consistency still.

We get this discussion every year when Obst balls. He is definitely one of those guys who just gets better with better teammates, so the question why he is not in the NBA is proper. He is not someone like Mike James, who needs ball in his hands and iso sets to be good and you get why NBA does not care for that type of guy from lesser league.

[Bob8]

He's not 6'4. Nowadays shooters have to defend too. Good D and average shooting is better combination than good shooting and bad D.

What‘s the big difference between him and say Seth Curry for example?

As for his height, I can see him being 6‘4“. We were basically same height when we used to play each other and that was like 10 years ago and I‘m legit 6‘3“ barefoot. Growing another inch after beimg 16/17 at that time isn‘t unreasonable.

He is 6'4, or around it, inch metric is not that accurate anyway. we saw him next to Normantas in this game, who is 6'5, and Obst does not look much shorter at all, he is definitley not shorter than Jokubaitis, who is 6'3 near 6'4.
6'3 SG is undersized in Euroleague a bit, and I do not think Obst is undersized, 6'4 is not a lot for non point guard, but he is fine. he was primary Jokubaitis defender in this game and he looked really good.

What is the difference between him and Seth, I mean there is not much. Obviously, not every guy who is in the NBA is better than guy who is not in the NBA, and Obst definitely has elite NBA qualities.

You might check Seth career 3-pts % and have in mind how longer 3 is in Nba.

[Mavrelous]

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[Mavrelous]

Goga is hyped!

[UcanUwill]

You might check Seth career 3-pts % and have in mind how longer 3 is in Nba.

Yes I know, Seth is proven NBA shooter, that is main difference, NBA always go after proven talent first, but you can't tell me Obst wouldn't be elite shooter in the NBA.

Pelicans brought Dairis Bertans once, Bertans is also elite shooter who plays similar role, but Dairis is shorter, far less athletic and lower caliber overall. It is pretty interesting that team tried Dairis Bertans and not Obst or Carroll, maybe Dairis got attention just cause he had his brother in the NBA?

[UcanUwill]

Estonia blowing out Czechia, I know their two best players aren't playing but damn, this was the team that bounced Canada out of Olympics not too long ago.

[Pokuokic]

I hope we (Serbia) lose one in the group stages, just to awaken the team a little bit. Bogdanovic's injury is a huge concern, it's gonna be an uphill battle in the later stages without him.
And yeah, looks like it was a mistake to bring Micic instead of Topic. The ego - ability disparity of Micic is amazing. What a bum.

I really wish most the big names didn't come (Jokic , Micic, Guduric, Bogdanovic), side from Jovic, the tournament is just bad I rather let our young guys namely Vukcevic, Jovic, Topic and I would have brought Djurisic as well get experience this crop of players has chocked and lost enough in big games and now are trying to win something against C/D grade teams pretty sad.

I don't know how the hell Dobric keeps making these teams he's been trash in the Euroleague for years and his athletic ability vanished overnight I can't remember the last time he had a huge dunk or chase down block (basically the only thing he was good for). I'm also very tired of hearing how Serbia is the land of basketball and have not won anything in 23 years and our two best clubs teams are filled with foreigners with the odd native player having basically no role but as a cheerleader.