Biggest loss to Dallas Micah Parsons or Luka Dončić

[Sixers in 4]

This is the second time I've seen the Reggie White comparison. Reggie had 13, 18, 21, and 18 sacks in his first four seasons. Micah Parsons hasn't had more than 14. He's very good, but it's not like he's the NFL's undisputed edge rushing king, yet he's approaching franchise quarterback money. I'm not even sure he's better than Garrett, Hendrickson, or TJ Watt. So Parsons is definitely replaceable. He's also in a position with limited impact. JJ Watt had the best defensive season in NFL history in 2012, and all the Texans could do was win a weak AFC South.

I will say this though. He's the youngest of the guys I mentioned, and he's locked up for his prime years.

Besides, the Cowboys still have Dak.

Doncic is unquestionably the bigger loss from a talent standpoint. The guy has top 25 all time potential.

I think Reggie is one of the best defensive players ever and when he came on the packers made us the number one defense. Parsons is not on his level just because of size difference. But your not replacing him unless you get a TJ Watt level player back and there is only a few on those in the league and he is the youngest of those players it instantly makes my packers so much better and has future HOF career trajectory I will take it.

It's not limited to just TJ Watt. Are the guys who could replace him falling off trees? No, it's only a handful. Can the Cowboys afford one of them? No, they'd need to find such a player in the draft. Micah Parsons is a very good NFL player now, but he's not even clearly the league's best edge rusher let alone a historically good one.

And OC's have always found a way to mitigate the effects of those guys. Sure, nobody wants to run all their plays to one side, but there's only so much Xavier McKinney can do.

Oh I'm looking forward to football. I'm a season ticket holder, and I always give away my preseason tickets. I'm itching to get to a game, and the home opener is on a monday.

He isn't just a good football player. He is one of the top defensive stars in the league. He literally had the highest pass rush win rate in the NFL last year among starters. If you cannot generate pass rush pressure in the NFL you are cooked as a defense. The worst QB in the league if you give them a clean pocket is going to be able to pick apart a modern NFL defense.

[CodeBreaker]

They got AD and Coop for Luka. Not really a loss

I think everyone views Flagg as the undisputed best player of the draft. A future MVP candidate.

Just the same way as everyone anticipated an MVP-level careers for Wiggins, Zion, Blake Griffin, AD or Oden. Being the first pick and being Luka is huge difference.

Luka has the same number of Rings and MVPs as Flagg

[KirkHinrich12]

Mavericks fully recovered with the Flagg luck. Cowboys got a pro bowl player and 2 first round picks and didn’t have to pay a guy $50m who seems stubborn and greedy. Both teams are better now. Dallas fans lucky

[rockmanslim]

Micah goes milk carton in the playoffs.

Luka led his team to the Finals.

How is this even a question

[jokeboy86]

They got AD and Coop for Luka. Not really a loss

Lord help me... They did NOT get AD and COOP in the damn trade... This trade is the worst trade in NBA history. We are already seeing a healthy Luka before the season has even started. Luka will go down as the worst trade ever. Luka means business.

They got a broken and older AD and Max Christie who fell off a cliff after his first few games. The same Max Christie who is backing up an old Klay Thompson.

I think its still may be a wait and see with the Luka trade because I believe even do I do believe Luka will probably have the best season he's ever had due to his off-season regimen but I still don't trust the Lakers to get anything right until Jeannie Buss and her buddies are completely removed from the organization which even with new ownership may be awhile cause they still said she'll be governor for "at least a number of years,". And I have no faith that Kobe's best friend really knows what he's doing. He's basically Brian Cashman in my eyes in that nutless monkeys could do both of their jobs.

[The Servant]

Adam Silver ensured that the Mavericks would be compensated. So, I guess Micah.

League commissioner always rigs the draft for people who send stars to big markets. Silver gave them Luka's value on the back end months later so he saved the Mavs (and the league).

They got AD and Coop for Luka. Not really a loss

I think everyone views Flagg as the undisputed best player of the draft. A future MVP candidate.

Just the same way as everyone anticipated an MVP-level careers for Wiggins, Zion, Blake Griffin, AD or Oden. Being the first pick and being Luka is huge difference.

Luka has the same number of Rings and MVPs as Flagg

Just an asinine thing to say.

[maverick_41]

They got AD and Coop for Luka. Not really a loss

I think everyone views Flagg as the undisputed best player of the draft. A future MVP candidate.

Just the same way as everyone anticipated an MVP-level careers for Wiggins, Zion, Blake Griffin, AD or Oden. Being the first pick and being Luka is huge difference.

Luka has the same number of Rings and MVPs as Flagg

Are we exchanging with useless facts?
Adam Morrison has more rings than Kevin Garnett and John Stockton combined.

[Karmaloop]

Luka pretty easily.

[JimmyPlopper]

I like Parsons but his contract is huge and Dallas got a lot back. They actually won the trade. Luka was traded for head scratchingly low value.

[Packbuckman]

I think Reggie is one of the best defensive players ever and when he came on the packers made us the number one defense. Parsons is not on his level just because of size difference. But your not replacing him unless you get a TJ Watt level player back and there is only a few on those in the league and he is the youngest of those players it instantly makes my packers so much better and has future HOF career trajectory I will take it.

It's not limited to just TJ Watt. Are the guys who could replace him falling off trees? No, it's only a handful. Can the Cowboys afford one of them? No, they'd need to find such a player in the draft. Micah Parsons is a very good NFL player now, but he's not even clearly the league's best edge rusher let alone a historically good one.

And OC's have always found a way to mitigate the effects of those guys. Sure, nobody wants to run all their plays to one side, but there's only so much Xavier McKinney can do.

Oh I'm looking forward to football. I'm a season ticket holder, and I always give away my preseason tickets. I'm itching to get to a game, and the home opener is on a monday.

He isn't just a good football player. He is one of the top defensive stars in the league. He literally had the highest pass rush win rate in the NFL last year among starters. If you cannot generate pass rush pressure in the NFL you are cooked as a defense. The worst QB in the league if you give them a clean pocket is going to be able to pick apart a modern NFL defense.

This right here people are so underrating Parsons impact he has never been lower than top 2 in pass rush win rate since he came into the league he is a generational talent at the most important position on Defense but hey this board has ever only look at offense anyways where they underrate Giannis. But hey I will take both on my favorite teams now

[Cavsfansince84]

This right here people are so underrating Parsons impact he has never been lower than top 2 in pass rush win rate since he came into the league he is a generational talent at the most important position on Defense but hey this board has ever only look at offense anyways where they underrate Giannis. But hey I will take both on my favorite teams now

Different level of impact for all non qbs in the nfl though. Dallas even with Parsons last year had the 31st ranked defense. Imagine having a top 3 defensive player in the league in the nba and still ranking that low on defense. It's almost impossible yet it can easily happen in the nfl.

[Archx]

This right here people are so underrating Parsons impact he has never been lower than top 2 in pass rush win rate since he came into the league he is a generational talent at the most important position on Defense but hey this board has ever only look at offense anyways where they underrate Giannis. But hey I will take both on my favorite teams now

Different level of impact for all non qbs in the nfl though. Dallas even with Parsons last year had the 31st ranked defense. Imagine having a top 3 defensive player in the league in the nba and still ranking that low on defense. It's almost impossible yet it can easily happen in the nfl.

On the other hand to further prove your point, people constantly **** on Doncic's defense yet Mavs had 18th overall defense in the league in their Final run, but ranked 2nd best defense after the the trade deadline, behind only Celtics team and won more playoff games with their defense than offense... And yet somehow people think Luka led teams just fall apart because of his defensive effort and look no further. It's such a silly and lazy argument.

[Larry Ellison]

I voted Micah and I am clearly in the minority here. But this needs to be said: Jerry Jones is an idiot. He is incompetent. Micah was their best player and he wanted to be a Cowboy. Jerry tried to strip Micah's agent out of the negotiations which is stupid and unprofessional because players are entitled to representation. It is also a violation of the collective bargaining agreement, I believe, although I cannot quote you the exact provision. Regardless, this was a self-inflicted wound for the Cowboys. They traded Micah under duress (not by choice as the Mavs did Luka), and made the trade one week before the season. They could have gotten a better return if they traded him earlier in the year. Those first round picks from GB are not going to be in the top 20. Micah will be a top 3 defensive player in the league next year. Epic fail from Jerry.

[Larry Ellison]

I like Parsons but his contract is huge and Dallas got a lot back. They actually won the trade. Luka was traded for head scratchingly low value.

They got the return they did, in spite of rank incompetence from the Cowboys front office, because Micah is really, really good and in his prime. The DL the Packers sent back is older. It is way too soon to say the Cowboys won the trade. Let's see how Micah performs over the next couple years and who the Cowboys draft with those picks.

[Packbuckman]

This right here people are so underrating Parsons impact he has never been lower than top 2 in pass rush win rate since he came into the league he is a generational talent at the most important position on Defense but hey this board has ever only look at offense anyways where they underrate Giannis. But hey I will take both on my favorite teams now

Different level of impact for all non qbs in the nfl though. Dallas even with Parsons last year had the 31st ranked defense. Imagine having a top 3 defensive player in the league in the nba and still ranking that low on defense. It's almost impossible yet it can easily happen in the nfl.

The cowboys defense is demonstrably worst with Parsons inactive becoming the leagues worst by EPA per play compared to when he plays as the best.

[Larry Ellison]

I like Parsons but his contract is huge and Dallas got a lot back. They actually won the trade. Luka was traded for head scratchingly low value.

They got the return they did, in spite of rank incompetence from the Cowboys front office, because Micah is really, really good and in his prime. The DL the Packers sent back is older. It is way too soon to say the Cowboys won the trade. Let's see how Micah performs over the next couple years and who the Cowboys draft with those picks.

This article explains it better than I did. Cowboys lost the trade.

https://www.theringer.com/2025/08/28/nfl/micah-parsons-trade-dallas-cowboys-green-bay-packers-jerry-jones

[Sixers in 4]

I voted Micah and I am clearly in the minority here. But this needs to be said: Jerry Jones is an idiot. He is incompetent. Micah was their best player and he wanted to be a Cowboy. Jerry tried to strip Micah's agent out of the negotiations which is stupid and unprofessional because players are entitled to representation. It is also a violation of the collective bargaining agreement, I believe, although I cannot quote you the exact provision. Regardless, this was a self-inflicted wound for the Cowboys. They traded Micah under duress (not by choice as the Mavs did Luka), and made the trade one week before the season. They could have gotten a better return if they traded him earlier in the year. Those first round picks from GB are not going to be in the top 20. Micah will be a top 3 defensive player in the league next year. Epic fail from Jerry.

Jerry Jones's press conference was worse than Nico's.

Got his name wrong. He said the trade would allow them to draft 5 good players when he only got 2 picks back. Thought the trade improved them for this year. How?

Just nonsense.

[makubesu]

Luka is worse.

Look, maybe you want to trade either of these guys, that’s no big deal. Maybe Luka scares you long term for health. Maybe Parsons needs to much of your already stuffed cap sheet. That’s not an issue for me.

But the problem with both trades is the process. You’ve got to get the best returns. Jerry waited too long to decide what to do, losing value in the process. But Nico apparently decided this over a cup of coffee with the ******* Lakers. Absolutely nuts.

Anyways, I look forward to the Cowboys getting the number one pick.

[Larry Ellison]

Luka is worse.

Look, maybe you want to trade either of these guys, that’s no big deal. Maybe Luka scares you long term for health. Maybe Parsons needs to much of your already stuffed cap sheet. That’s not an issue for me.

But the problem with both trades is the process. You’ve got to get the best returns. Jerry waited too long to decide what to do, losing value in the process. But Nico apparently decided this over a cup of coffee with the ******* Lakers. Absolutely nuts.

Anyways, I look forward to the Cowboys getting the number one pick.

The Luka trade was bizarre. But I kind of understand Nico's thought process. NBA front offices leak info. If they shopped Luka around, and it became public they were doing so, then Luka's representation would have gotten involved and tried to dictate his destination. Just look at how KD was able to do this, and he is a lot older than Luka. Mavs would have lost leverage and control. And the Dallas fans would have rioted, potentially derailing the deal. Nico gambled a lot on AD and his ability to stay healthy and be an elite two-way player. Kyrie's ACL injury happened after the trade. Would Luka have remained fat and complacent if he stayed in Dallas on a supermax? We will never know. Dallas actually has a nice team, if everyone is healthy. Good size, defense, obviously they benefit from their luck in the draft lottery. They badly need a healthy Kyrie and he won't be back for a while. And Klay is over the hill, as much as it pains me to say that as a Warriors fan. But Dallas is a playoff team and a healthy AD is still elite. AD is way better than Kenny Clark, the player the Cowboys got back for Micah. Probably history will view the trade as a loss for Dallas. But at least it was undertaken with a clear strategy in mind. As opposed to Cowboys just shooting themselves in the foot.

[benson13]

He isn't just a good football player. He is one of the top defensive stars in the league. He literally had the highest pass rush win rate in the NFL last year among starters. If you cannot generate pass rush pressure in the NFL you are cooked as a defense. The worst QB in the league if you give them a clean pocket is going to be able to pick apart a modern NFL defense.

His pass rush win rate didn't lead the NFL on either ESPN or Pro Football Focus, and they grade different ways so the list a players above Parsons was different on each ranking, and that's really the point that was being made when someone said he's replaceable. He's not 2018 Aaron Donald or 2012 JJ Watt. He's one of the league's best pass rushers and defensive linemen, but he's not clearly the best. He might be, but you can make an argument for several other players as well. Yet here he is getting a four year extension for almost $200 million.

This right here people are so underrating Parsons impact he has never been lower than top 2 in pass rush win rate since he came into the league he is a generational talent at the most important position on Defense but hey this board has ever only look at offense anyways where they underrate Giannis. But hey I will take both on my favorite teams now

I disagree that he's a generational talent. He beats his blocker a lot. I get it. He's not getting to the quarterback with league leading frequency let alone historical numbers. He's not in the backfield constantly causing tackles for loss. He's a good, not great run stopper, but he's also 245 pounds but can play defensive end really well when called upon. So I guess you can't have it all, but he hasn't separated himself from his peers let alone produced numbers that scream generational talent.