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Post#2281 » by Mariner » Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:34 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:$23m aav is on the high end for a guy who's had one good productive season. CB play can also be so unpredictable from year to year. Unless you have a truly lockdown corner. We've seen that volatility with a guy like Trevon Diggs.

Good for him. But yeah, that seems like a major gamble on their part to give out that kind of contract for a good, but not elite level player.

2023 he was in the running for DPOY.
It’s a fair deal.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2282 » by Jaydubb » Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:40 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:$23m aav is on the high end for a guy who's had one good productive season. CB play can also be so unpredictable from year to year. Unless you have a truly lockdown corner. We've seen that volatility with a guy like Trevon Diggs.

Good for him. But yeah, that seems like a major gamble on their part to give out that kind of contract for a good, but not elite level player.

Yeah I don’t know, I think it’s wild some people would rather have bland and his huge contract over parsons and his huge contract, but hey it is what it is.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2283 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:43 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:$23m aav is on the high end for a guy who's had one good productive season. CB play can also be so unpredictable from year to year. Unless you have a truly lockdown corner. We've seen that volatility with a guy like Trevon Diggs.

Good for him. But yeah, that seems like a major gamble on their part to give out that kind of contract for a good, but not elite level player.

2023 he was in the running for DPOY.
It’s a fair deal.

His production dropped off last year. Also doesn't grade out very well as a run defender. His coverage grades are solid (good) but not spectacular.

Typically CB play can also be very dependent on having a consistent pass rush. Which is now their biggest question mark going forward.
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Post#2284 » by Jaydubb » Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:45 pm

Mr Swagtastic wrote:I guess Jerry is going to try to spin the narrative that Bland is as good as Parsons. If one word could sum up Dallas it's bland.

I personally wonder if either Jerry jones is starting to have dementia or he’s allowing his grandkids to play fantasy football with the cowboys (or both). At least one of the two is likely happening and there are fans out there that love it.. lol
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Post#2285 » by Mariner » Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:50 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:$23m aav is on the high end for a guy who's had one good productive season. CB play can also be so unpredictable from year to year. Unless you have a truly lockdown corner. We've seen that volatility with a guy like Trevon Diggs.

Good for him. But yeah, that seems like a major gamble on their part to give out that kind of contract for a good, but not elite level player.

2023 he was in the running for DPOY.
It’s a fair deal.

His production dropped off last year. Also doesn't grade out very well as a run defender. His coverage grades are solid (good) but not spectacular.

Typically CB play can also be very dependent on having a consistent pass rush. Which is now their biggest question mark going forward.

I think he’s now 6th in average money for DBs.
Before the contract is over he will be out of the top 10.
Can’t really find any fault with this.
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Post#2286 » by Jaydubb » Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:52 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:$23m aav is on the high end for a guy who's had one good productive season. CB play can also be so unpredictable from year to year. Unless you have a truly lockdown corner. We've seen that volatility with a guy like Trevon Diggs.

Good for him. But yeah, that seems like a major gamble on their part to give out that kind of contract for a good, but not elite level player.

2023 he was in the running for DPOY.
It’s a fair deal.

His production dropped off last year. Also doesn't grade out very well as a run defender. His coverage grades are solid (good) but not spectacular.

Typically CB play can also be very dependent on having a consistent pass rush. Which is now their biggest question mark going forward.

Ding ding ding ding ding!!!!

Pass rush effects so much. There’s a reason the cowboys defense was #1 in the nfl in EPA per play since parsons was drafted while parsons was on the field and bottom 5 when parsons was not on the field.

I always say this but football is won and lost in the trenches. Both OL/DL/pass rush is vital to a teams success because depending on how effective they are, other positions can be better or worse. If a QB has less than 3 seconds to throw he might make a mistake and throw into coverage, but if there’s no pass rush WRs will eventually get open for an easy pass.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2287 » by Mariner » Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:03 pm

Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote:2023 he was in the running for DPOY.
It’s a fair deal.

His production dropped off last year. Also doesn't grade out very well as a run defender. His coverage grades are solid (good) but not spectacular.

Typically CB play can also be very dependent on having a consistent pass rush. Which is now their biggest question mark going forward.

Ding ding ding ding ding!!!!

Pass rush effects so much. There’s a reason the cowboys defense was #1 in the nfl in EPA per play since parsons was drafted while parsons was on the field and bottom 5 when parsons was not on the field.

I always say this but football is won and lost in the trenches. Both OL/DL/pass rush is vital to a teams success because depending on how effective they are, other positions can be better or worse. If a QB has less than 3 seconds to throw he might make a mistake and throw into coverage, but if there’s no pass rush WRs will eventually get open for an easy pass.

Everyone knows this. lol
I will give you one.
TDs are better than FGs. lol
You still need to sign DBs.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2288 » by Jaydubb » Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:54 pm

Mariner wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:His production dropped off last year. Also doesn't grade out very well as a run defender. His coverage grades are solid (good) but not spectacular.

Typically CB play can also be very dependent on having a consistent pass rush. Which is now their biggest question mark going forward.

Ding ding ding ding ding!!!!

Pass rush effects so much. There’s a reason the cowboys defense was #1 in the nfl in EPA per play since parsons was drafted while parsons was on the field and bottom 5 when parsons was not on the field.

I always say this but football is won and lost in the trenches. Both OL/DL/pass rush is vital to a teams success because depending on how effective they are, other positions can be better or worse. If a QB has less than 3 seconds to throw he might make a mistake and throw into coverage, but if there’s no pass rush WRs will eventually get open for an easy pass.

Everyone knows this. lol
I will give you one.
TDs are better than FGs. lol
You still need to sign DBs.

You act like this is obvious but apparently it’s not because Jerry is essentially prioritizing paying big dollars to bland over paying big dollars to Micah, and you are defending the move.

It’s simple, if money really is the issue then you trade bland so you don’t have to pay him and then pay Micah. Micah would have probably taken less than $47mill/year to stay with the cowboys considering he’d keep more due to no state income tax and also bigger brand deals playing for the cowboys.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2289 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:30 pm

Jaydubb wrote:
Mariner wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:Ding ding ding ding ding!!!!

Pass rush effects so much. There’s a reason the cowboys defense was #1 in the nfl in EPA per play since parsons was drafted while parsons was on the field and bottom 5 when parsons was not on the field.

I always say this but football is won and lost in the trenches. Both OL/DL/pass rush is vital to a teams success because depending on how effective they are, other positions can be better or worse. If a QB has less than 3 seconds to throw he might make a mistake and throw into coverage, but if there’s no pass rush WRs will eventually get open for an easy pass.

Everyone knows this. lol
I will give you one.
TDs are better than FGs. lol
You still need to sign DBs.

You act like this is obvious but apparently it’s not because Jerry is essentially prioritizing paying big dollars to bland over paying big dollars to Micah, and you are defending the move.

It’s simple, if money really is the issue then you trade bland so you don’t have to pay him and then pay Micah. Micah would have probably taken less than $47mill/year to stay with the cowboys considering he’d keep more due to no state income tax and also bigger brand deals playing for the cowboys.

Basically, if Bland is given $23m/yr, than Parsons is easily worth twice that amount.
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Post#2290 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:38 pm

Its all Jerry's fault.
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Post#2291 » by Jaydubb » Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:39 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:
Mariner wrote:Everyone knows this. lol
I will give you one.
TDs are better than FGs. lol
You still need to sign DBs.

You act like this is obvious but apparently it’s not because Jerry is essentially prioritizing paying big dollars to bland over paying big dollars to Micah, and you are defending the move.

It’s simple, if money really is the issue then you trade bland so you don’t have to pay him and then pay Micah. Micah would have probably taken less than $47mill/year to stay with the cowboys considering he’d keep more due to no state income tax and also bigger brand deals playing for the cowboys.

Basically, if Bland is given $23m/yr, than Parsons is easily worth twice that amount.

Exactly. And if you trade bland and don’t have to pay him then you’re only paying around $20-24mill more for parsons (I believe the deal would’ve been less than $47mill per in Dallas).
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Post#2292 » by Mariner » Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:50 pm

Be honest. Had the cowboys signed Parsons to 47 million a year how many of you would be laughing and trolling about it? Almost 20 percent more the Watt and Garrett.
Bland has nothing to do with Parsons. Had Parsons stayed Bland would have received the same deal.
The cowboys are going to extend Aubrey too. But again that has nothing to do with Parsons. lol
They didn’t choose Bland over Parsons. lol
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2293 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:52 pm

Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:You act like this is obvious but apparently it’s not because Jerry is essentially prioritizing paying big dollars to bland over paying big dollars to Micah, and you are defending the move.

It’s simple, if money really is the issue then you trade bland so you don’t have to pay him and then pay Micah. Micah would have probably taken less than $47mill/year to stay with the cowboys considering he’d keep more due to no state income tax and also bigger brand deals playing for the cowboys.

Basically, if Bland is given $23m/yr, than Parsons is easily worth twice that amount.

Exactly. And if you trade bland and don’t have to pay him then you’re only paying around $20-24mill more for parsons (I believe the deal would’ve been less than $47mill per in Dallas).

Also, the contracts given to Tyler Smith & Bland will probably come close to what they would've paid Parsons. Based on what Guards are making these days.

Fwiw Tyler Smith is a good guard. But neither guy (Smith & Bland) has nearly the same type of impact.
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Post#2294 » by Mariner » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:00 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Basically, if Bland is given $23m/yr, than Parsons is easily worth twice that amount.

Exactly. And if you trade bland and don’t have to pay him then you’re only paying around $20-24mill more for parsons (I believe the deal would’ve been less than $47mill per in Dallas).

Also, the contracts given to Tyler Smith & Bland will probably come close to what they would've paid Parsons.

Fwiw Tyler Smith is a good guard. But neither guy (Smith & Bland) has nearly the same type of impact.

This is overly simplistic thinking.
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Post#2295 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:02 am

Mariner wrote:Be honest. Had the cowboys signed Parsons to 47 million a year how many of you would be laughing and trolling about it? Almost 20 percent more the Watt and Garrett.
Bland has nothing to do with Parsons. Had Parsons stayed Bland would have received the same deal.
The cowboys are going to extend Aubrey too. But again that has nothing to do with Parsons. lol
They didn’t choose Bland over Parsons. lol

If they had given him $45m (rumor). I wouldn't have had an issue with it honestly. Guys like him get paid a lot of money. Deservedly so.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2296 » by Jaydubb » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:02 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Basically, if Bland is given $23m/yr, than Parsons is easily worth twice that amount.

Exactly. And if you trade bland and don’t have to pay him then you’re only paying around $20-24mill more for parsons (I believe the deal would’ve been less than $47mill per in Dallas).

Also, the contracts given to Tyler Smith & Bland will probably come close to what they would've paid Parsons. Based on what Guards are making these days.

Fwiw Tyler Smith is a good guard. But neither guy (Smith & Bland) has nearly the same type of impact.

Yep. Point is for a generational franchise player you just do whatever it takes to get things done. Every team does it, trade a guy and/or not re-sign a player because you literally just got through giving a ton of money to your best player.
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Post#2297 » by Mariner » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:06 am

Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:Exactly. And if you trade bland and don’t have to pay him then you’re only paying around $20-24mill more for parsons (I believe the deal would’ve been less than $47mill per in Dallas).

Also, the contracts given to Tyler Smith & Bland will probably come close to what they would've paid Parsons. Based on what Guards are making these days.

Fwiw Tyler Smith is a good guard. But neither guy (Smith & Bland) has nearly the same type of impact.

Yep. Point is for a generational franchise player you just do whatever it takes to get things done. Every team does it, trade a guy and/or not re-sign a player because you literally just got through giving a ton of money to your best player.

Another issue is that Parsons is not a true DE. He’s very undersized. He gets worn down at the end of the year.
He’s a top 5 defensive player now but there are long term concerns.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2298 » by Jaydubb » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:06 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote:Be honest. Had the cowboys signed Parsons to 47 million a year how many of you would be laughing and trolling about it? Almost 20 percent more the Watt and Garrett.
Bland has nothing to do with Parsons. Had Parsons stayed Bland would have received the same deal.
The cowboys are going to extend Aubrey too. But again that has nothing to do with Parsons. lol
They didn’t choose Bland over Parsons. lol

If they had given him $45m (rumor). I wouldn't have had an issue with it honestly. Guys like him get paid a lot of money.

Like I just said, for a generational franchise player you just do whatever it takes to get things done, including possibly giving a little more than you want to. I really wouldn’t be clowning on the move itself, but I would 100% be clowning on how the move was made. Jerry took wayyyyyy too long to make a move on parsons, that’s the crazy part. Pay him as soon as Jerry was able to (like a year ago) and it would’ve been a lot less than $47mill per year.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2299 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:13 am

Mariner wrote:Be honest. Had the cowboys signed Parsons to 47 million a year how many of you would be laughing and trolling about it? Almost 20 percent more the Watt and Garrett.
Bland has nothing to do with Parsons. Had Parsons stayed Bland would have received the same deal.
The cowboys are going to extend Aubrey too. But again that has nothing to do with Parsons. lol
They didn’t choose Bland over Parsons. lol

I'm still laughing 5 years later Dak is still here.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#2300 » by Jaydubb » Mon Sep 1, 2025 12:20 am

Mariner wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Also, the contracts given to Tyler Smith & Bland will probably come close to what they would've paid Parsons. Based on what Guards are making these days.

Fwiw Tyler Smith is a good guard. But neither guy (Smith & Bland) has nearly the same type of impact.

Yep. Point is for a generational franchise player you just do whatever it takes to get things done. Every team does it, trade a guy and/or not re-sign a player because you literally just got through giving a ton of money to your best player.

Another issue is that Parsons is not a true DE. He’s very undersized. He gets worn down at the end of the year.
He’s a top 5 defensive player now but there are long term concerns.


If they were nervous about his long term health and also just don’t like that his playoff performances aren’t that great then yeah, just get what you can for him. I guess I can get behind that to be honest, but takes time to see if they are right about that observation or not. But again, I still think they waited too long to make a move. Also kinda gives me the same vibes as the mavericks did when they said they traded Luka because he’s fat.

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