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Post#161 » by Mavrelous » Mon Sep 1, 2025 9:36 am

Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...
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Post#162 » by Mavrelous » Mon Sep 1, 2025 9:38 am

PJ extension talks should pickup Tuesday after the Labor day weekend, we'll see how it goes, on Dunc'd on they mentioned that the murmurs are that the extension will be less than his max, which would be surprising since his max is already a bargain.
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Post#163 » by Bob8 » Mon Sep 1, 2025 9:56 am

Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...


Not if they intend to trade Gafford and knowing how fragile AD and Lively are.
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Post#164 » by Mavrelous » Mon Sep 1, 2025 10:05 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...


Not if they intend to trade Gafford and knowing how fragile AD and Lively are.

If both AD and Lively aren't healthy , it's already a lost stretch, with or w/o Gafford.
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Post#165 » by Bob8 » Mon Sep 1, 2025 10:14 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...


Not if they intend to trade Gafford and knowing how fragile AD and Lively are.

If both AD and Lively aren't healthy , it's already a lost stretch, with or w/o Gafford.


It's very unlikely they play 70+ games, having cheap backup for 10 minutes it's more valuable than having O-max, who's even less useful than Powell and with multiple players, who can cover his position.

Mavs are not in position to develop O-max anyway.
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Post#166 » by Mavrelous » Mon Sep 1, 2025 10:43 am

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Not if they intend to trade Gafford and knowing how fragile AD and Lively are.

If both AD and Lively aren't healthy , it's already a lost stretch, with or w/o Gafford.


It's very unlikely they play 70+ games, having cheap backup for 10 minutes it's more valuable than having O-max, who's even less useful than Powell and with multiple players, who can cover his position.

Playing PJ as a small ball center to backup whoever is available of AD/Lively/Gafford is better than Powell as a center.
Mavs are also very deep at the 3, Naji, Martin and Klay are all 3s, so Flagg/PJ move up in position and Mavs will still have plenty of depth.
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Post#167 » by Bob8 » Mon Sep 1, 2025 10:50 am

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Mavrelous wrote:If both AD and Lively aren't healthy , it's already a lost stretch, with or w/o Gafford.


It's very unlikely they play 70+ games, having cheap backup for 10 minutes it's more valuable than having O-max, who's even less useful than Powell and with multiple players, who can cover his position.

Playing PJ as a small ball center to backup whoever is available of AD/Lively/Gafford is better than Powell as a center.
Mavs are also very deep at the 3, Naji, Martin and Klay are all 3s, so Flagg/PJ move up in position and Mavs will still have plenty of depth.


We can agree that both are useless, there's no minutes for O-max to develop so it's basically, who you want more veteran or young guy without the future in the team.

I don't believe in this roster anyway, totally wrongly constructed.
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Post#168 » by Mavrelous » Mon Sep 1, 2025 1:24 pm

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Post#169 » by Mr B » Mon Sep 1, 2025 1:36 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...

Powell is going to be a coach for the Mavs as soon as he retires.
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Post#170 » by Mavrelous » Mon Sep 1, 2025 1:39 pm

Mr B wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...

Powell is going to be a coach for the Mavs as soon as he retires.


Doubt it, If there was such agreement, they should have asked him to opt out and sign for the vet min, the league complete the vet min salary for vets, it'll cost him only 350K, and save the Mavs 1.7M in salary, they wouldn't have needed to stretch OMax and could have waited on dumping him until opening day.
it's small stuff, but they are operating on a very thin margin with the Apron.
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Post#171 » by Mr B » Mon Sep 1, 2025 2:16 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...

Powell is going to be a coach for the Mavs as soon as he retires.


Doubt it, If there was such agreement, they should have asked him to opt out and sign for the vet min, the league complete the vet min salary for vets, it'll cost him only 350K, and save the Mavs 1.7M in salary, they wouldn't have needed to stretch OMax and could have waited on dumping him until opening day.
it's small stuff, but they are operating on a very thin margin with the Apron.

We see players do this all the time. There doesn’t have to be a pre arranged agreement. Players transition to coaching all the time at the end of their playing careers. Powell has always had a high basketball IQ (although low talent).
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Post#172 » by Teffer10 » Mon Sep 1, 2025 6:00 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...
I know what you mean.
We brought Brown and Jones in last season and they contributed more on their short stints than Powell did the entire season. Hell, I'd be more comfortable with Sharp than Powell if we got desperate enough to go with a 4th stringer like we did last year.
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Post#173 » by Mr B » Mon Sep 1, 2025 6:10 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...
I know what you mean.
We brought Brown and Jones in last season and they contributed more on their short stints than Powell did the entire season. Hell, I'd be more comfortable with Sharp than Powell if we got desperate enough to go with a 4th stringer like we did last year.

Chemistry matters. Powell clearly helps with team chemistry and moral. At least according to the coaches and management. Why else would they keep him around?
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Post#174 » by Teffer10 » Tue Sep 2, 2025 8:42 am

Mr B wrote:
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Mavrelous wrote:Powell is a complete mystery to me, ha hasn't been playable for 2 years now, and team has 2 centers + AD, the insistence on keeping him is beyond me...
I know what you mean.
We brought Brown and Jones in last season and they contributed more on their short stints than Powell did the entire season. Hell, I'd be more comfortable with Sharp than Powell if we got desperate enough to go with a 4th stringer like we did last year.

Chemistry matters. Powell clearly helps with team chemistry and moral. At least according to the coaches and management. Why else would they keep him around?

I like how you politely say he is a complete waste of a roster spot.

A person who only provides team chemistry and morale and nothing else is either a coach, cheerleader, or a fan. Certainly not worthy of a roster spot.
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Post#175 » by Archx » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:27 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:I know what you mean.
We brought Brown and Jones in last season and they contributed more on their short stints than Powell did the entire season. Hell, I'd be more comfortable with Sharp than Powell if we got desperate enough to go with a 4th stringer like we did last year.

Chemistry matters. Powell clearly helps with team chemistry and moral. At least according to the coaches and management. Why else would they keep him around?

I like how you politely say he is a complete waste of a roster spot.

A person who only provides team chemistry and morale and nothing else is either a coach, cheerleader, or a fan. Certainly not worthy of a roster spot.


Would make sense to keep OMax then instead of Powell if i'm perfectly honest. But this guy will probably be in that stupid Haslem role until he's 50yo lol...
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Post#176 » by Mr B » Tue Sep 2, 2025 2:34 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:I know what you mean.
We brought Brown and Jones in last season and they contributed more on their short stints than Powell did the entire season. Hell, I'd be more comfortable with Sharp than Powell if we got desperate enough to go with a 4th stringer like we did last year.

Chemistry matters. Powell clearly helps with team chemistry and moral. At least according to the coaches and management. Why else would they keep him around?

I like how you politely say he is a complete waste of a roster spot.

A person who only provides team chemistry and morale and nothing else is either a coach, cheerleader, or a fan. Certainly not worthy of a roster spot.

You’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter what I think about how the team is built. It doesn’t matter what you think of how the team is built. It ONLY matters to the coaches and front office (and ownership). We all know that he brings almost nothing on the court. We also pretty much all know that in spite of his lack of actual NBA talent he does have a high BBIQ. We also know that the players love his energy. It’s not hard to see why they keep Powell around.
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Post#177 » by Mr B » Tue Sep 2, 2025 2:35 pm

Archx wrote:
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Mr B wrote:Chemistry matters. Powell clearly helps with team chemistry and moral. At least according to the coaches and management. Why else would they keep him around?

I like how you politely say he is a complete waste of a roster spot.

A person who only provides team chemistry and morale and nothing else is either a coach, cheerleader, or a fan. Certainly not worthy of a roster spot.


Would make sense to keep OMax then instead of Powell if i'm perfectly honest. But this guy will probably be in that stupid Haslem role until he's 50yo lol...

There is a reason teams keep guys like this around. Jared Dudley was the same guy in LA.
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Post#178 » by Teffer10 » Tue Sep 2, 2025 4:37 pm

Mr B wrote:
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Mr B wrote:Chemistry matters. Powell clearly helps with team chemistry and moral. At least according to the coaches and management. Why else would they keep him around?

I like how you politely say he is a complete waste of a roster spot.

A person who only provides team chemistry and morale and nothing else is either a coach, cheerleader, or a fan. Certainly not worthy of a roster spot.

You’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter what I think about how the team is built. It doesn’t matter what you think of how the team is built. It ONLY matters to the coaches and front office (and ownership). We all know that he brings almost nothing on the court. We also pretty much all know that in spite of his lack of actual NBA talent he does have a high BBIQ. We also know that the players love his energy. It’s not hard to see why they keep Powell around.

I understand your point but he can do all of those things as a coach.

I'd rather have a young guy who has an upside over a guy who brings absolutely nothing and is completely unplayable. My point isn't as much about OMax as it is about another center to develop. I've been fine with moving OMax ever since we drafted Flagg because he'll never get a chance with the plethora of big SFs and Small Forwards
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Post#179 » by Mr B » Tue Sep 2, 2025 6:41 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:I like how you politely say he is a complete waste of a roster spot.

A person who only provides team chemistry and morale and nothing else is either a coach, cheerleader, or a fan. Certainly not worthy of a roster spot.

You’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter what I think about how the team is built. It doesn’t matter what you think of how the team is built. It ONLY matters to the coaches and front office (and ownership). We all know that he brings almost nothing on the court. We also pretty much all know that in spite of his lack of actual NBA talent he does have a high BBIQ. We also know that the players love his energy. It’s not hard to see why they keep Powell around.

I understand your point but he can do all of those things as a coach.

I'd rather have a young guy who has an upside over a guy who brings absolutely nothing and is completely unplayable. My point isn't as much about OMax as it is about another center to develop. I've been fine with moving OMax ever since we drafted Flagg because he'll never get a chance with the plethora of big SFs and Small Forwards

Clearly there is a big difference between being a coach and a player. I’m referring to when it comes to the chemistry between the players. Believe it or not there is a difference in playing that “Powell Role” from the bench than it is playing that role as a coach.
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Post#180 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Sep 2, 2025 7:09 pm

He's been our ball and chain for years, I don't even notice it anymore.

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