Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Edens: "Giannis made it very clear he is committed to Milwaukee"

[Daver]

Too bad that if they're just going to cut AJAX we couldn't have traded him instead of AJ Johnson. I feel like AJAX still could be intriguing for someone.

Ajax will not be cut he will be traded with kuzma/smith/ jax

[raferfenix]

Coffey was unsigned in August, there was no market for him.

But why the Bucks’ interest then?

And if TA was always coming back and another move isn’t coming why would Coffey see opportunity to make the roster?

I’ve come around to thinking he really might not have had a guaranteed deal anywhere else but it’s still curious.

Just like the Bucks spending $800K to push Ajax’s guarantee date back if TA was just going to get that spot.

[Bernman]

Coffey was unsigned in August, there was no market for him.

But why the Bucks’ interest then?

And if TA was always coming back and another move isn’t coming why would Coffey see opportunity to make the roster?

I’ve come around to thinking he really might not have had a guaranteed deal anywhere else but it’s still curious.

Just like the Bucks spending $800K to push Ajax’s guarantee date back if TA was just going to get that spot.

TA wasn't going to automatically get the spot. They had to develop plausible deniability he's an NBA player from his int'l play. 800k was an acceptable trade-off. It's a few times more if they straight waive a player. And they can still maybe trade him into an exception.

Why the Bucks' interest in Coffey? Cuz it's a camp deal. There's no risk. On Coffey's part, that was around his demand in the league, after making every squad worse for 6 years, then having his minutes disappear ala Ajax. While he probably looks at our sf room and thinks he can beat some out.

[BUCKnation]

if hes mentally healthy then TA will be the best version of himself since hes been here. screw the physical. theres gonna be some tough moments this year and what we all understand is if giannis is the squad...then TA has been a glue to this squad.

teagues comments on that podcast that was posted here recently really prove that once and for all. that was powerful for me. if you support giannis in bucks green and treasure his unbridled loyalty to us as it appears then we have to give him thansis. its not like lebron recruiting this guy or that....or jordan demanding my boy rusty larue because of the cards and the golf.....thansis is family. hes the franchise consigliere. giannis = the franchise.... and family and loyalty IS his brand. thanasis comes with that and i love it

we need to all remember that it was thanasis that convinced him to sign the last extension too if i remember. to me this is mandatory if we want a giannis extension

I think Teague lowkey likes to be a hater so him saying positive things like that kind of resonates a lot when TA is a pretty easy target

[BUCKnation]

Idk Coffey avg 25 min a night on a team that won 50 games, I think a camp deal is still pretty light, even if those minutes were inflated by powell and kawhi injuries

[raferfenix]

At the least I wonder whether Tyler Smith is on thin ice.

Yeah he’s young but if he hasn’t improved so much Horst / Doc might prefer Coffey.

[Bernman]

Idk Coffey avg 25 min a night on a team that won 50 games, I think a camp deal is still pretty light, even if those minutes were inflated by powell and kawhi injuries

They won a lot more when they stopped playing him. Were 8-0 in April, when he was cut out. Won 13 of 15 from when his minutes started to be cut. They were on a 45 win pace in the period he got significant minutes.

The Clippers were actually out-played by 2+ pts when he was on the court. So they were basically the Bulls or Suns. That's how much he brought down a 50+ win team, is how it could also be looked at like. And I think that's how GM's viewed it to not give him a guarantee.

[ShootingtheJ]

Coffey was unsigned in August, there was no market for him.

But why the Bucks’ interest then?

And if TA was always coming back and another move isn’t coming why would Coffey see opportunity to make the roster?

I’ve come around to thinking he really might not have had a guaranteed deal anywhere else but it’s still curious.

Just like the Bucks spending $800K to push Ajax’s guarantee date back if TA was just going to get that spot.

TA wasn't going to automatically get the spot. They had to develop plausible deniability he's an NBA player from his int'l play. 800k was an acceptable trade-off. It's a few times more if they straight waive a player. And they can still maybe trade him into an exception.

Why the Bucks' interest in Coffey? Cuz it's a camp deal. There's no risk. On Coffey's part, that was around his demand in the league, after making every squad worse for 6 years, then having his minutes disappear ala Ajax. While he probably looks at our sf room and thinks he can beat some out.

Agree. Coffey is here so we have a top player on the Herd.

That could give us options later in the year.

[WiscoKing13]

Anything of interest in the new Stein sub stack?

[emunney]

Coffey was unsigned in August, there was no market for him.

But why the Bucks’ interest then?

And if TA was always coming back and another move isn’t coming why would Coffey see opportunity to make the roster?

I’ve come around to thinking he really might not have had a guaranteed deal anywhere else but it’s still curious.

Just like the Bucks spending $800K to push Ajax’s guarantee date back if TA was just going to get that spot.

You'd think at least there was something in process at the time they pushed back that guarantee date, but it could have just been that they were speculating about the doors that would open once some of these RFA situations resolved and they're working through some combination of 1) not wanting to lose the flexibility his salary slot represents and 2) liking him better than a the avg street FA.

I don't read anything into the Coffey signing at all. Guys who have guaranteed offers don't sign camp contracts. If he had guaranteed offers elsewhere, he'd have gotten a guarantee here. The under-the-table agreement theory makes no sense.

[pifhluk23]

At the deadline or anytime after 12/25 I believe:

Kuzma/Bobby/Anyone + 1 1st for Siakam.

Indiana is already punting this season and Siakam is 31. I think they are hanging onto him for now just to save face / sell tickets but if it's looking bad in January it makes a lot of sense for them to trade him and go for a top 5 pick.

[Ron Swanson]

At the deadline or anytime after 12/25 I believe:

Kuzma/Bobby/Anyone + 1 1st for Siakam.

Indiana is already punting this season and Siakam is 31. I think they are hanging onto him for now just to save face / sell tickets but if it's looking bad in January it makes a lot of sense for them to trade him and go for a top 5 pick.

So Doc can run his dream 2-5 jumbo lineup of Prince/Giannis/Siakam/Turner? Ooooof.

[emunney]

I wonder if this Devin Carter is just Kings Things, or if it could signal a trend in recent first round draft picks going on the trade market earlier (or not getting their 3rd year picked up) if they don't hit immediately. We're at the point in the league where there are a lot of viable guys outside the league, and given the overall salary crunch many teams are feeling, it no longer feels trivial be paying 5m to a 23 y.o. who hasn't shown a lot. If there's a guy out there who hasn't hit yet but you believe in, could be a good opportunity.

As another example, looking at Salaun, who I liked coming out (Ersan-esque) -- he's making 8m this year. Hornets are probably fine with that but I can't see where he'd have any trade value, even as a 20 y.o. who was a recent 6th overall pick.

[Ron Swanson]

I wonder if this Devin Carter is just Kings Things, or if it could signal a trend in recent first round draft picks going on the trade market earlier (or not getting their 3rd year picked up) if they don't hit immediately. We're at the point in the league where there are a lot of viable guys outside the league, and given the overall salary crunch many teams are feeling, it no longer feels trivial be paying 5m to a 23 y.o. who hasn't shown a lot. If there's a guy out there who hasn't hit yet but you believe in, could be a good opportunity.

As another example, looking at Salaun, who I liked coming out (Ersan-esque) -- he's making 8m this year. Hornets are probably fine with that but I can't see where he'd have any trade value, even as a 20 y.o. who was a recent 6th overall pick.

If you ask Hornets fans, most would say they're already fine with moving on from him. I'm pretty sure I saw some on the GB advocating to outright waive him. His rookie season was that bad.

[-Jragon-]

When is the prediction thread? I predict Thanasis eats away at Bobby's minutes because of hustle and D making the Bobby deadline trade a foregone conclusion. Doubt it happens but it would be fun.

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[Bernman]

If you feel like you can't hammer out an extension for Green, & prefer a trade cuz we have to worry about aprons going fw, the more sensible type would just be a 1-for-1 for a good role player sf on a cheap contract for a few years, like Justin Champagnie. Maybe you get pick(s) attached even.

You may package him w/ Ajax because we'd get off his little $ but it wouldn't discernibly dilute the return like Kuzma. You're just asking to get some underwhelming, grass is greener on the other side, buy higher SF option to come back, while losing Green for basically nothing.

And if the Bucks, by over-stuffing their roster 1st, boxed themselves in to a pre-ordained 2-for 1 trade, killing leverage even further, they're being foolish. They had to already have determined they're willing to waive Ajax &/or Smith if need be.

[ReasonablySober]

If you feel like you can't hammer out an extension for Green, & prefer a trade cuz we have to worry about aprons going fw, the more sensible type would just be a 1-for-1 for a good role player sf on a cheap contract for a few years, like Justin Champagnie. Maybe you get pick(s) attached even.

Maybe you could package him w/ Ajax because we'd get off his little $ but it wouldn't discernibly dilute the return like Kuzma. You're just asking to get some underwhelming, grass is greener on the other side, buy higher SF option to come back, while losing Green for basically nothing.

And if the Bucks, by over-stuffing their roster 1st, boxed themselves in to a pre-ordained 2-for 1 trade, killing leverage even further, they're being foolish. They had to already have determined they're willing to waive Ajax &/or Smith if need be.

I'd rather just keep the best player in the deal and try to win the title.

[jschligs]

Too bad that if they're just going to cut AJAX we couldn't have traded him instead of AJ Johnson. I feel like AJAX still could be intriguing for someone.

The fact that they’re cutting AJAX instead of trading him for scraps means that literally nobody wanted him and would rather try to sign him once he’s cut.

[Baddy Chuck]

I wish I could care about AJax or Smith in the slightest but I can't. Even for a towel waiver and a cup of Coffey.

[soxperry]

I dont think you can find a better fit at SF than Siakam, at least of the plausible trades. His defense appears to have fallen off significantly but hes not a negative there.

Kpj
Trent
Siakam
Giannis
Turner

I would love that